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KinjaKahn
03-24-2009, 06:19 AM
Quiet Muslim-Only Town in N.Y. Founded by Alleged Terrorist

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By Rick Leventhal

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The gate to Islamberg, N.Y., a private Muslim community
that is home to an estimated 100 residents. The sign
reads: 'Welcome to Holy Islamberg, The International
Quranic Open University.'

HANCOCK, N.Y. — If you didn't know where to look, you'd probably never find Islamberg, a private Muslim community in the woods of the western Catskills, 150 miles northwest of New York City.
The town, sitting on a quiet dirt road past a gate marked with No Trespassing signs, is home to an estimated 100 residents. There are small houses and other buildings visible from the outside, but it is what can't be seen from beyond the gate that has some watchers worried.
Islamberg was founded in 1980 by Sheikh Syed Mubarik Ali Shah Gilani, a Pakistani cleric who purchased a 70-acre plot and invited followers, mostly Muslim converts living in New York City, to settle there.
The town has its own mosque, grocery store and schoolhouse. It also reportedly has a firing range where residents take regular target practice. Gilani established similar rural enclaves across the country — at least six, including the Red House community in southern Virginia — though some believe there are dozens of them, all operating under the umbrella of the "Muslims of the Americas" group founded by Gilani.
Federal authorities say Gilani was also one of the founders of Jamaat al-Fuqra, a terrorist organization believed responsible for dozens of bombings and murders across the U.S. and abroad. The group was linked to the planning of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and 10 years earlier a member was arrested and later convicted for bombing a hotel in Portland, Ore. Shoe bomber Richard Reid has been linked to the group, along with convicted D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad. But it is Sheikh Gilani who creates the most controversy and concern.
Gilani has told his followers that "Zionist plotters" plan to rule the world, and he encourates them to leave America's cities and avoid the "decadence of a godless society." Gilani is the man American reporter Daniel Pearl was trying to interview in Pakistan when he was kidnapped and beheaded. The Sheikh was taken into custody and later released by Pakistani authorities; he denies any involvement in Pearl's murder.
Gilani also denies any connection to Jamaat al-Fuqra, as do residents of the MOA compounds, who say the "terrorist" group doesn't exist and was created by enemies of Islam hoping to destroy their communities. Members also deny sending a portion of their earnings to the Sheikh, but a former resident told FOX News that 10 to 30 percent of their income is regularly delivered to Gilani in the form of cash donations.
FOX News attempted to visit Islamberg after earlier efforts to set up on-camera interviews were rebuffed. A spokesman said by phone that residents typically shy away from interviews since they worry their words will be manipulated and turned against them. He accused FOX News of misrepresenting the group and suggested covering an Islamic festival in Binghamton later in the month to celebrate the birthday of the prophet Muhammad. Then he hung up.
Some residents, collecting their mail outside the compound or stopping for a short spell at its edge, spoke briefly of life on the inside. One woman told FOX News she was happy to be "away from the city and away from the drugs and crap that's going on," raising her family safely in Islamberg.
Another resident drove out, dressed in a cap and robe, video camera in hand, and moved so close to a female producer that he actually made contact. The resident kept his camera rolling for the next 15 minutes without saying a word, but he finally began to answer questions.
The man said residents get along with their neighbors and don't trust the media, which he said paints their town as a guarded compound "where no one can enter and exit."
"It's a village," he insisted, "with people of all backgrounds, cultures and races."
He said he was a 20-year veteran of the Air Force, still active in the reserves, who grew up in Brooklyn and converted to Islam while in the service.
"I got awards for 'bridging the gap' between American and Saudi soldiers," he said, noting that he had helped process the bodies when 19 U.S. servicemen were killed in a 1996 terror attack in Saudi Arabia. He said there were many veterans in Islamberg, including one with a Purple Heart citation from Vietnam.
The man denied the existence of Jamat al-Fuqra, and at first denied giving a share of his earnings to Sheik Gilani, but he later admitted that "all churches have tithes."
During the interview, two state police cars roared up, as one of the residents had called the cops, a common occurrence when reporters show up at the gate.
Local police told FOX News there has been plenty of rumor and innuendo over the years but very little trouble. The FBI's Albany Division said the agency has an open discourse with the residents of Islamberg. They've visited the compound but won't discuss whether there are any ongoing investigations.
That has not dispelled the worries of some watchdogs. Robert Spencer, director of Jihad Watch, says the group is making a concerted public relations effort to present a benign face and hide its violent past.
"I think we need to be very much on guard about every member of these compounds," he said. Though Spencer admits there is nothing inherently wrong with living in isolation, he stressed that "they're not at all open to visitors, they're not at all open to scrutiny and there's an abundance of evidence of sinister goings-on."
Spencer offered no evidence to back his misgivings, but suggested political correctness may be hampering investigations. He says the group's connection to Sheikh Gilani is reason enough to be concerned that they're planning for "something on a larger scale and longer term," to "further the causes of the global Islamic Jihad", something MOA has repeatedly denied and scoffed at in the past.
Residents call it a peaceful place to raise a family away from the pressures of the city, and maintain that the group is woefully misunderstood.
"I used to work customs when I was overseas and I come here and get harassed at the grocery store and the bank. A clerk claimed my military ID was invalid because I'm Muslim," the resident told FOX News.
Critics, lacking an eye into the cloistered community, still wonder whether it's something more.

BoredWithNoSB
03-24-2009, 08:28 AM
While we're at it keep an eye on this town too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ave_Maria,_Florida

Damn fundementalists.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
03-25-2009, 03:03 AM
While we're at it keep an eye on this town too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ave_Maria,_Florida

Damn fundementalists. Did any of these Catholics ever shoot at others or get involved with bombs on planes..????

To wit:
Shoe bomber Richard Reid has been linked to the group, along with convicted D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad.

KinjaKahn
03-26-2009, 01:48 PM
Did any of these Catholics ever shoot at others or get involved with bombs on planes..????

To wit:
Shoe bomber Richard Reid has been linked to the group, along with convicted D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad.
Catholics do much worse, like instruct women to be responsible with their uterus, and build hospitals, orphanages and schools & universities.

BoredWithNoSB
03-26-2009, 02:20 PM
Did any of these Catholics ever shoot at others or get involved with bombs on planes..????

To wit:
Shoe bomber Richard Reid has been linked to the group, along with convicted D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad.


They are involved in the same church as these terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Friday_(1972)

Let's get the Catholics. oooohh scary people of different religion.... Fear!!!!!!

KinjaKahn
03-26-2009, 04:56 PM
They are involved in the same church as these terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Friday_(1972)

Let's get the Catholics. oooohh scary people of different religion.... Fear!!!!!!rofl

Jesse Helms' Ghost
03-26-2009, 08:27 PM
They are involved in the same church as these terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Friday_(1972)

Let's get the Catholics. oooohh scary people of different religion.... Fear!!!!!! Much like whatever it was you were trying to link to, your logic leads to nowhere.

Catholics aren't the 'Fundamentalists'- or Evangelical Bible thumpers- you want them to be.

BoredWithNoSB
03-26-2009, 08:58 PM
Much like whatever it was you were trying to link to, your logic leads to nowhere.

Catholics aren't the 'Fundamentalists'- or Evangelical Bible thumpers- you want them to be.

Add the ')' at the end. the whole thing didn't HTLM. Should be pretty obvious from the name of the link. One of the largest days of terror ever unleashed was by a Catholic group.

I'm not saying Catholics are bad. I'm saying that using a mainstream religion as a basis for fear is ignorant.

Hotpapa666
03-26-2009, 09:09 PM
Did any of these Catholics ever shoot at others or get involved with bombs on planes..????

To wit:
Shoe bomber Richard Reid has been linked to the group, along with convicted D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad.

John Stewart linked Kevin Bacon to Adolf Hilter in 6 steps the other week. Does that make Kevin Bacon an Ape-Shit Crazy Jew Killer?

Jesse Helms' Ghost
03-26-2009, 11:17 PM
John Stewart linked Kevin Bacon to Adolf Hilter in 6 steps the other week. Does that make Kevin Bacon an Ape-Shit Crazy Jew Killer? Kevin Bacon can be linked to me in two steps.

Big whoop.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
03-26-2009, 11:18 PM
Add the ')' at the end. the whole thing didn't HTLM. Should be pretty obvious from the name of the link. One of the largest days of terror ever unleashed was by a Catholic group.

I'm not saying Catholics are bad. I'm saying that using a mainstream religion as a basis for fear is ignorant. Terrorism isn't a religion.

Hotpapa666
03-26-2009, 11:57 PM
Kevin Bacon can be linked to me in two steps.

Big whoop.

Again, the point flies over your head.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
03-27-2009, 02:07 AM
Again, the point flies over your head. And yet again, the point is *on* your head.

KinjaKahn
03-27-2009, 05:56 AM
John Stewart linked Kevin Bacon to Adolf Hilter in 6 steps the other week. Does that make Kevin Bacon an Ape-Shit Crazy Jew Killer?
ROFL!!
6 degrees of separation is now valid as evidence? pfffft.,.. your religion of math and matter is fucking looney like Tom Cruise and his Hubbard mothership.

Islame is the religion of chopping heads and hands off... In THIS century. Cop a clue or something.

KinjaKahn
03-27-2009, 06:12 AM
I'm not saying Catholics are bad.
Then why bring up the Catholics and the IRA? Get England the fuck out of Ireland, problem solved. Of the 9 killed on Bloody Friday, some were catholic. Whats next, gonna cite the crusades and pretend you wouldnt be a muslime right now if the Pope hadn't stopped the 'convert by sword' shit those turban twisting neanderthals were practicing.
I'm saying that using a mainstream religion as a basis for fear is ignorant.
Isalme isn't mainstream, its 1.4 billion blood lusting morons following a murderous pedophile profit who married a 6 yr old and consummated when she started her period at 9 yrs old. His follower freaks still keep their women as virtual slaves and kill them if they rebel or get laid before their papa trades them for a goat. Open your fucking eyes.

Roy Munson
03-27-2009, 07:19 AM
being close-minded is awesome...

People different than me are scary, I don't care what you say.

*fingers in ears*
la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la

KinjaKahn
03-27-2009, 07:29 AM
being close-minded is awesome...

People different than me are scary, I don't care what you say.

*fingers in ears*
la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la

Translation: La ilahah Illah Allah Muhámmad Rasul Allah

Roy Munson
03-27-2009, 07:34 AM
Translation: La ilahah Illah Allah Muhámmad Rasul Allah
so the noises I'm making are the just a battle cry ?

KinjaKahn
03-27-2009, 07:43 AM
so the noises I'm making are the just a battle cry ?
That's not a battle cry, it's the shahada. Why not learn about the Muslimes prior to defending them or giving them a pass to slaughter you.

Roy Munson
03-27-2009, 07:49 AM
That's not a battle cry, it's the shahada. Why not learn about the Muslimes prior to defending them or giving them a pass to slaughter you.
haha, christians never murdered people because they believed in a different god.

Aren't allah and god the same thing?

Roy Munson
03-27-2009, 07:50 AM
That's not a battle cry, it's the shahada. Why not learn about the Muslimes prior to defending them or giving them a pass to slaughter you.
and if you'll read my post again its the la-la-la-la... noises thats the battle cry. You just need to get past your "I'm smarter than you" shit so you can comprehend posts.

KinjaKahn
03-27-2009, 07:55 AM
haha, christians never murdered people because they believed in a different god.

Aren't allah and god the same thing?
Sins of others in the distant past, justify the sins against others today.... thanks for clarifying your brand of justice and morality.

Roy Munson
03-27-2009, 08:01 AM
Sins of others in the distant past, justify the sins against others today.... thanks for clarifying your brand of justice and morality.
yeah... thats what I'm saying. Why don't you google more stuff to try and "educate" me.

BoredWithNoSB
03-27-2009, 08:06 AM
Terrorism isn't a religion.

Tell that to your buddy Kinj.

BoredWithNoSB
03-27-2009, 08:07 AM
Get US the fuck out of Midddle East, problem solved.


???

KinjaKahn
03-27-2009, 08:15 AM
yeah... thats what I'm saying. Why don't you google more stuff to try and "educate" me.
lol I didn't google it, A friend converted to islame. We aren't friends anymore. I have read alot on islame, know most of the basics of Muhammads life from his caravan days in mecca working for Khadija, to his flight to Yathrib, his tale of his night flight to jerusalem, his anger at jews for selling him out.... and all sorts of things in between, I know a bunch of muslimes. I work with a few too. Some from Senegal, Yemin, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, Palestine, Iraq... You can learn the most about real life Islame from Middle east Christians, like the Chaldeans and the Coptics.

Roy Munson
03-27-2009, 08:19 AM
lol I didn't google it, A friend converted to islame. We aren't friends anymore. I have read alot on islame, know most of the basics of Muhammads life from his caravan days in mecca working for Khadija, to his flight to Yathrib, his tale of his night flight to jerusalem, his anger at jews for selling him out.... and all sorts of things in between, I know a bunch of muslimes. I work with a few too. Some from Senegal, Yemin, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Indonesia, Palestine, Iraq... You can learn the most about real life Islame from Middle east Christians, like the Chaldeans and the Coptics. well, you can learn the most about the parts you want to hear...

The most overall I'm sure you can learn from actual muslims.

KinjaKahn
03-27-2009, 08:31 AM
???That wont solve the problem, Western Lifestyle as gained a foothold in Islamic Lands, What you will probably see happen, as Islamic countries try to become more "moderate", they will fall into chaos. Blame will go to the west.

Islame cannot adapt to passing centuries because the Quran is dictation from their god, perfect in every way. The rules are the Rules. The more muslims assimilate into the west the less insular and muslim they become, and it angers them. Islame is nothing more than one mentally ill freaks concoction, combining Christianity, Judaism, and paganism.

KinjaKahn
03-27-2009, 08:33 AM
well, you can learn the most about the parts you want to hear...

The most overall I'm sure you can learn from actual muslims.
The only thing you can learn from them is how perfect their religion is and how you are an infidel if you fail to submit to Allah.

Roy Munson
03-27-2009, 08:34 AM
The only thing you can learn from them is how perfect their religion is and how you are an infidel if you fail to submit to Allah.
its hard to hear that with your fingers in your ears...

KinjaKahn
03-27-2009, 08:37 AM
its hard to hear that with your fingers in your ears...
Look in the mirror....

Roy Munson
03-27-2009, 08:40 AM
Look in the mirror....
no you are...

Hotpapa666
03-27-2009, 10:27 AM
ROFL!!
6 degrees of separation is now valid as evidence? pfffft.,.. your religion of math and matter is fucking looney like Tom Cruise and his Hubbard mothership.

Islame is the religion of chopping heads and hands off... In THIS century. Cop a clue or something.

Another person for whom the point flies over their head. Perhaps y'all should form a line.

KinjaKahn
03-30-2009, 02:53 PM
Another person for whom the point flies over their head. Perhaps y'all should form a line.
You have no point, you just parrot what is told to you by some jaggoff. As usual.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
03-31-2009, 03:47 AM
You have no point, you just parrot what is told to you by some jaggoff. As usual. Kinjy, it's not fair to pick on somebody who says they're leaving this board only to come back as soon as you entice them.

Proving that you're the puppet master's not fair to the libs here.
:D

kydoty
04-26-2009, 08:21 PM
lol I didn't google it, A friend converted to islame. We aren't friends anymore.

Your loss.