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Vegas
03-28-2007, 02:11 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=cp_eue4qbpsq19&show_article=1&catnum=9

Lawrence Roach agreed to pay alimony to the woman he divorced, not the man she became after a sex change, his lawyers argued Tuesday in an effort to end the payments. But the ex- wife's attorneys said the operation doesn't alter the agreement.

The lawyers and Circuit Judge Jack R. St. Arnold agreed the case delves into relatively unchartered legal territory. They found only a 2004 Ohio case that addressed whether or not a transsexual could still collect alimony after a sex change.

"There is not a lot out there to help us," St. Arnold said.

Roach and his wife, Julia, divorced in 2004 after 18 years of marriage. The 48-year-old utility worker agreed to pay her $1,250 a month in alimony. Since then, Julia Roach, 55, had a sex change and legally changed her name to Julio Roberto Silverwolf.

"It's illegal for a man to marry a man and it should likewise be illegal for a man to pay alimony to a man," Roach's attorney John McGuire said. "When she changed to man, I believe she terminated that alimony."

Silverwolf did not appear in court Tuesday and has declined to talk about the divorce. His lawyer, Gregory Nevins, said the language of the divorce decree is clear and firm - Roach agreed to pay alimony until his ex-wife dies or remarries.

"Those two things haven't happened," said Nevins, a senior staff attorney with the national gay rights group Lambda Legal.

St. Arnold is considering the arguments. But lawyers on both sides agreed Tuesday that Roach will likely have to keep paying alimony to Silverwolf.

The judge poked holes in several of Roach's legal arguments and noted that appeals courts have declined to legally recognize a sex change in Florida when it comes to marriage. The appellate court "is telling us you are what you are when you are born," St. Arnold said.

In the Ohio case, an appeals court ruled in September 2004 that a Montgomery County man must continue to pay $750 a month in alimony to his transsexual ex-wife because her sex change wasn't reason enough to violate the agreement.

Roach's other attorney, John Smitten, said the case falls into a legal void.

"It's probably something that has to be addressed by the Legislature," Smitten said. "There is one other case in the entire United States. It really needs to be addressed either for or against the concept of eliminating alimony for that reason."

Roach, who has since remarried, said has been unable to convince state and federal lawmakers to tackle the issue. He said he will continue to fight.

"This is definitely wrong. I have a right to move forward with my life. I wish no harm and hardship to that person," Roach said of his ex-wife. "They can be the person they want to be, to find happiness and peace within themselves. I have the right to do the same. But I can't rest because I'm paying a lot of money every month."

The legal fight is the second transsexual rights showdown in Pinellas County in less than a week. On Friday, transsexual activists from around the country packed a City Commission meeting in neighboring Largo to oppose the firing of City Manager Steve Stanton after he announced he was a transsexual.

Despite the support, commissioners voted 5-2 to fire Stanton.

Jiddy78
03-28-2007, 03:09 PM
Holy mother of Babylonia.

Vegas
03-29-2007, 08:42 PM
Update:

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070329/NEWS/703290564/1004

Judge: Sex Change Doesn't Stop Alimony

A Circuit Court judge said Wednesday a woman's sex change operation does not free her ex-husband from his alimony obligation.

Lawyers for Lawrence Roach, 48, had argued his 55-year-old ex-wife's decision to switch genders and to change her name from Julia to Julio Roberto Silverwolf voided their 2004 divorce agreement because a man cannot legally pay alimony to a man.

But Circuit Judge Jack R. St. Arnold ruled the language of the agreement was clear and that in the eyes of the law nothing changed significantly enough to free Roach from the $1,250-per-month alimony obligation. The judge said Florida courts have ruled sex-change surgery cannot legally change a person's birth gender.

ryr8828
03-29-2007, 08:50 PM
I found the problem.

The 48-year-old utility worker agreed to pay her $1,250 a month in alimony.

Utility worker? Is he living off dumpster scraps? Wages are depressed in Florida, I know I haven't rushed down there to look for a job.
You're a dumbass, pal. You agreed to pay half your monthly income to get rid of the bitch (bastard?).

Jiddy78
03-29-2007, 08:51 PM
I found the problem.

The 48-year-old utility worker agreed to pay her $1,250 a month in alimony.

Utility worker? Is he living off dumpster scraps? Wages are depressed in Florida, I know I haven't rushed down there to look for a job.
You're a dumbass, pal. You agreed to pay half your monthly income to get rid of the bitch (bastard?).

Says you.

These guys will pay ANYTHING to avoid permanent alimony...which is a huge problem, at least down here. Trust me...I'll take 1250 for 6 years over 800 til the grave. No brainer.

ryr8828
03-29-2007, 08:55 PM
Says you.

These guys will pay ANYTHING to avoid permanent alimony...which is a huge problem, at least down here. Trust me...I'll take 1250 for 6 years over 800 til the grave. No brainer.

Why do you have to pay spousal maintenance anyway?

Women have equal rights.

Jiddy78
03-29-2007, 08:58 PM
Why do you have to pay spousal maintenance anyway?

Women have equal rights.

You should see some of the hosejobs that have occurred down here...I won't even get into those guys that got railed earlier in my career...lost the house AND alimony, then watched the homes double in value as they tried to recoup....thus doubling wifey's wealth and making it twice as hard to recover.

Ouch.