Professor Takes Heat for Calling Cops on Student Who Discussed Guns in Class

[Vegas]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,504524,00.html

A professor in Connecticut reported one of her students to the police after he gave a class presentation on why students and teachers should be allowed to carry concealed weapons on campus. Now, free speech activists say the professor’s actions are what really need to be investigated.

Last October, John Wahlberg and two classmates at Central Connecticut State University gave an oral presentation for a communications class taught by Professor Paula Anderson. The assignment was to discuss a “relevant issue in the media,” and the students presented their view that the death toll in the April 2007 Virginia Tech shooting massacre would have been lower if professors and students had been carrying guns.

That night, police called Wahlberg, a 23-year-old senior, and asked him to come to the station. When he arrived, they they read off a list of firearms that were registered in his name and asked where he kept them. Guns are strictly prohibited on the CCSU campus and residence halls, but Wahlberg says he lives 20 miles off-campus and keeps his gun collection locked up in a safe. No further action was taken by police or administrators.

“I don’t think that Professor Anderson was justified in calling the CCSU police over a clearly non-threatening matter,” Wahlberg told The Recorder, the CCSU student newspaper that first reported the story. “Although the topic of discussion may have made a few individuals uncomfortable, there was no need to label me as a threat.”

Wahlberg declined to comment further to FOXNews.com, saying he did not want more media attention.

According to The Recorder, Anderson cited safety as her reason for calling the police.

“It is also my responsibility as a teacher to protect the well-being of our students, and the campus community at all times,” she told The Recorder. “As such, when deemed necessary because of any perceived risks, I seek guidance and consultation from the Chair of my Department, the Dean and any relevant University officials.”

Anderson did not respond to calls from FOXNews.com. Campus police forwarded requests to university spokesman Mark McLaughlin, who declined to comment, citing Wahlberg’s privacy.

Robert Shibley, vice president of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), said Anderson's actions appeared to be out of line.

“If all he did was discuss reasons for allowing guns on campus, it seems a bit much to call the police and grill him about it,” Shibley said. “If you go after students for just discussing an idea, that goes against everything a university is supposed to stand for.”

Shibley said FIRE has seen many more cases of hair-trigger responses by administrators over anything gun-related since the Virginia Tech shooting.

In 2007, Shibley noted, a student at Hamline University in Minnesota was suspended after writing a letter to an administrator arguing that carrying concealed weapons on campus may help prevent tragedies like the one at Virginia Tech. The student was allowed to return only after undergoing a psychological evaluation, he said.

Shibley also cited an incident at Colorado College last year in which campus administrators denounced a flyer as "threatening and demeaning content" because it mentioned guns. He said the students who produced the flyer were found guilty of violating the school’s violence policy, which was added to their school records.

“It is, of course, important that administrators identify real threats to students,” Shibley said. “But they need to use logic to discern whether a threat is real.”

But Jerold Duquette, an associate professor of political science at CCSU who sits on the Faculty Senate Committee on Academic Freedom, say the Wahlberg case is not so clear-cut.

“This is a situation where both sides can come up with a reasonable explanation,” Duquette said.

“[Wahlberg] certainly has a reason to complain, since he didn’t do anything directly threatening. But I wouldn’t say the administration has a reason to sanction or punish the professor or the police.... I don’t know if I would have done anything differently in the situation.”

Katie Kasprzak, a spokeswoman for the group Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, suggested that the professor called the police because she disagreed with Wahlberg’s political views.

"Critics of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus argue that colleges and universities are dedicated to the free flow of ideas,” she said. “Yet when a student gives a class presentation on a relevant issue in the media, it is acceptable to label the student as a threat? The only threat posed was a threat to the professor’s personal beliefs.”

Duquette said there was no evidence to support that.

“I think a lot of people see this as a liberal professor going after a student because he likes guns. I don’t know if that’s the case,” Duquette said, adding that more would need to be known about the incident.

[KinjaKahn]

typical shrill liberal living in candyland, where the line between words and actions blur together. this retarded skank needs to be beaten severely so she might learn to discern actions from ideas.

[The_swami_sez]

I'm actually surprised something similar didn't happen to me last year when I gave a presentation on the DC Handgun Ban for a liberal Honors prof...

I'll be so glad to move off campus in a couple months and have my firearms with me.

[tichabou]

Bitch.

[ryr8828]

Should be fired. Won't be.

One trained person using concealed carry could have saved many lives in the VA Tech killings. Some people prefer to trust their safety to the cops. I don't have the hour that it takes for them to get anywhere I happen to be.

[Vegas]

Should be fired. Won't be.

One trained person using concealed carry could have saved many lives in the VA Tech killings. Some people prefer to trust their safety to the cops. I don't have the hour that it takes for them to get anywhere I happen to be.

Are you now afraid that someone will call the cops on you for making such a vile statement??

[ryr8828]

Are you now afraid that someone will call the cops on you for making such a vile statement??

No, I welcome it. I think that lawyers would be lining up to help me, both locally and from the NRA, IRA, IGOLD, and places that I've never heard of.

Free ones.

Like I said in a post in another thread a few minutes ago, let's get it on. There are people trying to turn this country into France. If I wanted to live in France I would have already moved there.

[residenceevil]

Teacher was out of line. I'm not sure she needs to be fired though. I think she is just misguided.

[Roy Munson]

Should be fired. Won't be.

One trained person using concealed carry could have saved many lives in the VA Tech killings. Some people prefer to trust their safety to the cops. I don't have the hour that it takes for them to get anywhere I happen to be.
that one "trained" person could have also gotten himself killed when the swat team stormed in and shot anybody with a gun that falls under the category of: not them.

I've heard it so many times, but I'm not sure how anybody could be convinced that the solution to problems like VA Tech is more guns. Lets say it doesn't work out the way you think it would... lets say the "trained" person with the gun gets killed and now the murderer on the rampage has another weapon to kill people with.

I'm pretty sure law enforcement is better left to the professionals and they'd prefer it that way as well.

[Roy Munson]

No, I welcome it. I think that lawyers would be lining up to help me, both locally and from the NRA, IRA, IGOLD, and places that I've never heard of.

Free ones.

Like I said in a post in another thread a few minutes ago, let's get it on. There are people trying to turn this country into France. If I wanted to live in France I would have already moved there.
Please tell me you've been to France.

and I've said it before... if you hate France so much, petition your representatives to return the Statue of Liberty.

[hannitykillspuppies]

Should be fired. Won't be.

One trained person using concealed carry could have saved many lives in the VA Tech killings. Some people prefer to trust their safety to the cops. I don't have the hour that it takes for them to get anywhere I happen to be.
excellent hyperbole.

[hannitykillspuppies]

Please tell me you've been to France.

and I've said it before... if you hate France so much, petition your representatives to return the Statue of Liberty.
there's a lady at work who's sole purpose for going to france this year is to go to euro disney.

[Roy Munson]

there's a lady at work who's sole purpose for going to france this year is to go to euro disney.
That'd be like me choosing to go to the Tampa Yuengling brewery over Pottsville...

[hannitykillspuppies]

That'd be like me choosing to go to the Tampa Yuengling brewery over Pottsville...

she was talking one day about castles and the differences and similarities in them. i figured she was talking about somewhere in europe. she was talking about paris, lake buena vista, and anaheim. i couldn't do anything other than shake my head.

[LSU]

she was talking one day about castles and the differences and similarities in them. i figured she was talking about somewhere in europe. she was talking about paris, lake buena vista, and anaheim. i couldn't do anything other than shake my head.


I didn't realize you were fan enough of Jindal to have in as your avatar.

[hannitykillspuppies]

I didn't realize you were fan enough of Jindal to have in as your avatar.
typed bobby jindal into google image search and it was the first picture that came up. he seems like a nice enough guy.

[Roy Munson]

she was talking one day about castles and the differences and similarities in them. i figured she was talking about somewhere in europe. she was talking about paris, lake buena vista, and anaheim. i couldn't do anything other than shake my head.
I hope she has kids.

[hannitykillspuppies]

I hope she has kids.
she does. her favorite topic of conversation. one of them is always suffering from life threatening ailment causing her to miss work. she has a poster hanging in her cube of one of them in a light saber duel with darth vader. i'm pretty sure she is the inspiration for this shirt.

http://daddytypes.com/archive/gawker_tshirt_hate_kids.jpg

[becherr]

that one "trained" person could have also gotten himself killed when the swat team stormed in and shot anybody with a gun that falls under the category of: not them.

I've heard it so many times, but I'm not sure how anybody could be convinced that the solution to problems like VA Tech is more guns. Lets say it doesn't work out the way you think it would... lets say the "trained" person with the gun gets killed and now the murderer on the rampage has another weapon to kill people with.

I'm pretty sure law enforcement is better left to the professionals and they'd prefer it that way as well.


If placed in that situation without a handgun I doubt I would remain alive long enough to see the swat team swarm in.

I would prefer to become an "Accidental" shooting causualty by Law Enforcement as apposed to being slaughtered as I huddle in a corner.

[hannitykillspuppies]

If placed in that situation without a handgun I doubt I would remain alive long enough to see the swat team swarm in.

I would prefer to become an "Accidental" shooting causualty by Law Enforcement as apposed to being slaughtered as I huddle in a corner.
what's the difference when the end result is the same?

[becherr]

what's the difference when the end result is the same?

My chances of survival increase when dealing with a swat team as apposed to dealing with someone that is shooting indiscriminately.

It is sort of like running for your life knowing your only chance of survival is reaching a door you know is locked. I would like the oppertunity to try to get the door unlocked as apposed to simply stop running.

[ryr8828]

that one "trained" person could have also gotten himself killed when the swat team stormed in and shot anybody with a gun that falls under the category of: not them.

I've heard it so many times, but I'm not sure how anybody could be convinced that the solution to problems like VA Tech is more guns. Lets say it doesn't work out the way you think it would... lets say the "trained" person with the gun gets killed and now the murderer on the rampage has another weapon to kill people with.

I'm pretty sure law enforcement is better left to the professionals and they'd prefer it that way as well.

So all us plebes just cower and beg for our lives while we wait on the "professionals" to get there.

[becherr]

So all us plebes just cower and beg for our lives while we wait on the "professionals" to get there.

I know those that aren't in law enforcement that are better qualified for agressive gun play then those said "Professionals."

[hannitykillspuppies]

My chances of survival increase when dealing with a swat team as apposed to dealing with someone that is shooting indiscriminately.

It is sort of like running for your life knowing your only chance of survival is reaching a door you know is locked. I would like the oppertunity to try to get the door unlocked as apposed to simply stop running.how do your chances of survival increase when in your scenario you die?

[MTVike]

Should be fired. Won't be.

One trained person using concealed carry could have saved many lives in the VA Tech killings. Some people prefer to trust their safety to the cops. I don't have the hour that it takes for them to get anywhere I happen to be.

Well, maybe your situation is different, living out of town so to speak.

I've mentioned it before here on on the other board, but here goes again.

A few years ago we thought we had a robbery in the middle of the night. Wife calls 911 while I grope around for something to fight with. Ended up with a 5 wood. ( I do have a firearm in the house, but I also had young children, so that fucker was way hid away).

Cops were there in 3 minutes, tops. Two cars, jumped out ready to draw down on the guy in my front yard.

Drunk off his ass, didn't know where he was.

I could've cause much more trouble carrying out my rifle, half dazed/asleep.

[becherr]

how do your chances of survival increase when in your scenario you die?

I live longer. In my sceario I never die. In the scenario of waiting for the cops I always die.

[Hoosierclone]

that one "trained" person could have also gotten himself killed when the swat team stormed in and shot anybody with a gun that falls under the category of: not them.

I've heard it so many times, but I'm not sure how anybody could be convinced that the solution to problems like VA Tech is more guns. Lets say it doesn't work out the way you think it would... lets say the "trained" person with the gun gets killed and now the murderer on the rampage has another weapon to kill people with.

I'm pretty sure law enforcement is better left to the professionals and they'd prefer it that way as well.


So you would trust your life to a rent a cop more than a veteran who is now going to school on his GI Bill.

Could have happened.

[swordfish]

If everyone could just think about flowers and pretty bunnies we wouldn't have to talk about guns. You brutes that want to defend your lives need to go back to the stone age. This is the age of socialism all must die for big brother. So calmly put your guns down so we can kill you without violence.

[becherr]

If everyone could just think about flowers and pretty bunnies we wouldn't have to talk about guns. You brutes that want to defend your lives need to go back to the stone age. This is the age of socialism all must die for big brother. So calmly put your guns down so we can kill you without violence.

To die the slow liberal death. Oh, nearly did that through the 90s while trying to accomplish Miltary Missions with little training and the wrong equipement.

[hannitykillspuppies]

So you would trust your life to a rent a cop more than a veteran who is now going to school on his GI Bill.

Could have happened.campus police are not rent a cops.

[hannitykillspuppies]

To die the slow liberal death. Oh, nearly did that through the 90s while trying to accomplish Miltary Missions with little training and the wrong equipement.
wrong equipment? would that be like having no kevlar or armored vehicles?

[Hoosierclone]

campus police are not rent a cops.


Depends on what campus. The question still stands though, a veteran with a personal protection permit going to class, or policeman.

Who has probably been shot at, and returned fire more.

[hannitykillspuppies]

Depends on what campus. The question still stands though, a veteran with a personal protection permit going to class, or policeman.

Who has probably been shot at, and returned fire more.

i'd feel better sitting class if no one was carrying a gun.

[Hoosierclone]

so lets make some more laws, lord knows nobody would ever be able to get a gun if there was just a law against it.

Your right, I feel safer already.

[hannitykillspuppies]

so lets make some more laws, lord knows nobody would ever be able to get a gun if there was just a law against it.

Your right, I feel safer already.thats precisely what i said. well put.

[Jesse Helms' Ghost]

i'd feel better sitting class if no one was carrying a gun. At VA Tech, nobody sitting in the classroom was...


....'cept the gun man (who strode into the classroom and started shooting)

:rolleyes:

[hannitykillspuppies]

At VA Tech, nobody sitting in the classroom was...


....'cept the gun man (who strode into the classroom and started shooting)

:rolleyes:are you sure about that?

[Hoosierclone]

thats precisely what i said. well put.

I know that the laws against cheating on your taxes have worked especially for Democratic cabinet nominees.

Lets make some more laws and we'll all feel good.

Nice job of trying to avoid the original question, who would have been more qualified to end the Va. Tech massacre, the cops or the veteran sitting in the class room.

You would probably prefer a police state though and your rebutal would be "lets put cops in all the classrooms"

[hannitykillspuppies]

I know that the laws against cheating on your taxes have worked especially for Democratic cabinet nominees.

Lets make some more laws and we'll all feel good.
excellent strawman.

[Hoosierclone]

excellent strawman.

answer the question.....

[Jesse Helms' Ghost]

are you sure about that? Yes.

[Roy Munson]

i'd feel better sitting class if no one was carrying a gun.
this...

[Roy Munson]

I know that the laws against cheating on your taxes have worked especially for Democratic cabinet nominees.

Lets make some more laws and we'll all feel good.

Nice job of trying to avoid the original question, who would have been more qualified to end the Va. Tech massacre, the cops or the veteran sitting in the class room.

You would probably prefer a police state though and your rebutal would be "lets put cops in all the classrooms"
Democrats are the only ones not paying their taxes... got it.

More stupid bullshit to distract from the point.

[hannitykillspuppies]

Yes.

well since we can't account for every crazy person in this country everyone should be allowed to bring their guns everywhere. that will solve the problem of crazy gun wielding lunatics. airports, planes, bars, college campuses, sporting events, churches, train stations, subways, etc., etc., etc. Bring your guns.

[Roy Munson]

At VA Tech, nobody sitting in the classroom was...


....'cept the gun man (who strode into the classroom and started shooting)

:rolleyes:
Then it seems like removing this crazy person's ability to purchase a firearm is probably a good idea.

Oh thats right, the constitution says he can have a gun so when he goes nuts he can take out innocent people at will. Awesome.

[Roy Munson]

well since we can't account for every crazy person in this country everyone should be allowed to bring their guns everywhere. that will solve the problem of crazy gun wielding lunatics. airports, planes, bars, college campuses, sporting events, churches, train stations, subways, etc., etc., etc. Bring your guns.
With the way everybody talks here you'd think that they'd want to return to Fucking Deadwood where everybody was carrying a gun. Nobody ever got killed in the wild west...

[hannitykillspuppies]

With the way everybody talks here you'd think that they'd want to return to Fucking Deadwood where everybody was carrying a gun. Nobody ever got killed in the wild west...and they never said cunt.

[Roy Munson]

and they never said cunt.
I should be shot for not calling it "Cock Sucking Mother Fucking Deadwood"

[Jesse Helms' Ghost]

well since we can't account for every crazy person in this country everyone should be allowed to bring their guns everywhere. that will solve the problem of crazy gun wielding lunatics. airports, planes, bars, college campuses, sporting events, churches, train stations, subways, etc., etc., etc. Bring your guns. Definitely.

The crazy-person gene poll will draw more chlorine that way.

[swordfish]

So martial arts should be illegal as well. You know how fast one of those guys can choke you out? It is a danger to society. We wouldn't want everyone running around choking each other out. Therefore we should make it illegal to defend yourself in any way. If your being raped, if you live, file a report and we will use DNA testing to find the suspect. Anyways nobody will rape you we are all happy. Unlock your doors at night everyone will 'do the right thang'.

Knives, scissors, metal objects of any kind(that can be sharpened), pens and pencils, acid(including vinegar), all types of oil/gas, paper bags, computer duster, and oxygen should all be outlawed. These things are a danger to society and are being misused on such a large scale that it will destroy our country. If everyone had these items think of the total anarchy from everyone "going crazy" and killing each other. Add water to the list too. Drownings are horrible.

[Jesse Helms' Ghost]

Then it seems like removing this crazy person's ability to purchase a firearm is probably a good idea.

Oh thats right, the constitution says he can have a gun so when he goes nuts he can take out innocent people at will. Awesome.With the way everybody talks here you'd think that they'd want to return to Fucking Deadwood where everybody was carrying a gun. Nobody ever got killed in the wild west... Love how liberal visions of gun-ownership come with the 'buy-and-carry' fantasies that don't include conceal-carry training, gun safety, instructions on *when* to use it properly so as not to jump to conclusions, or on-going trianing.

Are there unicorns in that liberal utopia, too???

[swordfish]

Love how liberal visions of gun-ownership come with the 'buy-and-carry' fantasies that don't include conceal-carry training, gun safety, instructions on *when* to use it properly so as not to jump to conclusions, or on-going trianing.

Are there unicorns in that liberal utopia, too???

When liberals think of legal gun ownership it is blurred by visions of Puff Daddy getting a weapons charge with J Lo in the car. Then they remember Tupac and Biggie Smalls and start to cry. Then it is all replaced with sunshine and butterflies.

[tichabou]

When liberals think of legal gun ownership it is blurred by visions of Puff Daddy getting a weapons charge with J Lo in the car. Then they remember Tupac and Biggie Smalls and start to cry. Then it is all replaced with sunshine and butterflies.

When conservatives think of straw men, they strawman strawman strawman, then they strawman J.Lo strawman biggie. This is followed by strawman strawbutterfly Notorious B.I.Strawman.

[Jesse Helms' Ghost]

When conservatives think of straw men.... It's just 'The Straw', Tichy.

;)

[Hoosierclone]

Democrats are the only ones not paying their taxes... got it.

More stupid bullshit to distract from the point.


It is not distracting from the point, if you read the entire string of posts you would see that this was in the context of the conversation.

Now, getting back on topic, which you are so interested in doing, would one of the liberals from the board like to answer the question I posed in post number 27.

[hannitykillspuppies]

It is not distracting from the point, if you read the entire string of posts you would see that this was in the context of the conversation.

Now, getting back on topic, which you are so interested in doing, would one of the liberals from the board like to answer the question I posed in post number 27.

i already answered. that's about when you got off topic.

[Hoosierclone]

i already answered. that's about when you got off topic.

Oh you mean the illogical resonse when you said "I would feel better if no one in the class had a gun"

I must of mistaken it for another comment because it wasn't an option in Va. Tech. The killer had agun and no one was able to defend themselves against him because he was the only one there with a gun.

I wasn't off topic, you were.

I was just making an anolgy to your lala land that you want to live in, where we make laws and nobody breaks them.

Now if you would like to answer with one of the options I gave you I would LOVE to hear it.

[hannitykillspuppies]

Oh you mean the illogical resonse when you said "I would feel better if no one in the class had a gun"

I must of mistaken it for another comment because it wasn't an option in Va. Tech. The killer had agun and no one was able to defend themselves against him because he was the only one there with a gun.

I wasn't off topic, you were.

I was just making an anolgy to your lala land that you want to live in, where we make laws and nobody breaks them.

Now if you would like to answer with one of the options I gave you I would LOVE to hear it.

there was a veteran sitting in one of the classrooms?

[Roy Munson]

Love how liberal visions of gun-ownership come with the 'buy-and-carry' fantasies that don't include conceal-carry training, gun safety, instructions on *when* to use it properly so as not to jump to conclusions, or on-going trianing.

Are there unicorns in that liberal utopia, too???
and in your utopia you're running around shooting bad guys in the head. You prove that you don't have to have super powers to fight crime...

[Roy Munson]

When liberals think of legal gun ownership it is blurred by visions of Puff Daddy getting a weapons charge with J Lo in the car. Then they remember Tupac and Biggie Smalls and start to cry. Then it is all replaced with sunshine and butterflies.
Yeah... thats it...

[Roy Munson]

Oh you mean the illogical resonse when you said "I would feel better if no one in the class had a gun"

I must of mistaken it for another comment because it wasn't an option in Va. Tech. The killer had agun and no one was able to defend themselves against him because he was the only one there with a gun.

I wasn't off topic, you were.

I was just making an anolgy to your lala land that you want to live in, where we make laws and nobody breaks them.

Now if you would like to answer with one of the options I gave you I would LOVE to hear it.
One crazy person starts firing a gun in a room full of people (we'll call that crazy person: A). Then a "trained" citizen pulls out his carry permitted weapon and takes down A (we'll call this guy B). Then another "trained" person comes into the room firing at anybody with a gun and he kills B (we'll call this guy C).

Does person C get charged with murder?

[Roy Munson]

So you would trust your life to a rent a cop more than a veteran who is now going to school on his GI Bill.

Could have happened.
I'd feel most comfortable if bad people couldn't get guns. Only way for that to happen is for guns to stop being produced.

To answer your question... I choose a SWAT team over your average grunt.

[Hoosierclone]

there was a veteran sitting in one of the classrooms?
answer the question, get on topic

[Hoosierclone]

One crazy person starts firing a gun in a room full of people (we'll call that crazy person: A). Then a "trained" citizen pulls out his carry permitted weapon and takes down A (we'll call this guy B). Then another "trained" person comes into the room firing at anybody with a gun and he kills B (we'll call this guy C).

Does person C get charged with murder?


I would say yes he would be charged not necessarily convicted

[Jesse Helms' Ghost]

and in your utopia you're running around shooting bad guys in the head. You prove that you don't have to have super powers to fight crime... Still projecting your own brand of ideologic idiocy into the this thread, i see.

Training- initial and continued, Bowler-boy. As well as a program to check for mentally-unstabled citizens so that we don't have another VA Tech incident. I'm all in favor of background checks so long as the gov't doesn't use that infor to take guns *away*- which has been a concern of the NRA and many law-abiding citizens who back the 2nd Amendment.

Seems your side wants to use gov't held data to remove gun rights and not to further it.

[hannitykillspuppies]

answer the question, get on topicso you can create hypotheticals that weren't options at VT, but no one else can. got it.

and again, i did answer you.

[becherr]

wrong equipment? would that be like having no kevlar or armored vehicles?

No, it's like turning in equipement that you need to accomplish the mission because there is no longer any room in the budget to buy replacement parts or create the research to manufacture a suitable upgrade or replacement.

[becherr]

campus police are not rent a cops.

Actually I have seen two types of campus police. Those that are in the law eforcement program at said university aguemented by licenced police and those that are licenced that aren't able to meet the physical/mental standards on a city or county police force.