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Vegas
03-28-2007, 12:05 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070327/sc_nm/lightbulbs_dc

NEW YORK (Reuters) - There's an old joke about the number of people it takes to change a light bulb. But because the newer energy-efficient kinds contain tiny amounts of mercury, the hard part is getting rid of them when they burn out.
Mercury is poisonous, but it's also a necessary part of most compact fluorescent bulbs, the kind that environmentalists and some governments are pushing as a way to cut energy use.

With an estimated 150 million CFLs sold in the United States in 2006 and with Wal-Mart alone hoping to sell 100 million this year, some scientists and environmentalists are worried that most are ending up in garbage dumps.

Mercury is probably best-known for its effects on the nervous system. The Mad Hatter in the classic children's book "Alice in Wonderland" was based on 19th-century hat makers who were continually exposed to the toxin.

Mercury can also damage the kidneys and liver, and in sufficient quantities can cause death.

U.S. regulators, manufacturers and environmentalists note that, because CFLs require less electricity than traditional incandescent bulbs, they reduce overall mercury in the atmosphere by cutting emissions from coal-fired power plants.

But some of the mercury emitted from landfills is in the form of vaporous methyl-mercury, which can get into the food chain more readily than inorganic elemental mercury released directly from a broken bulb or even coal-fired power plants, according to government scientist Steve Lindberg.

"Disposal of any mercury-contaminated material in landfills is absolutely alarming to me," said Lindberg, emeritus fellow of the U.S.
Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory.

The mercury content in the average CFL -- now about 5 milligrams -- would fit on the tip of a ballpoint pen, according to the U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency, and manufacturers have committed to cap the amount in most CFLs to 5 milligrams or 6 milligrams per bulb.

The majority of Philips Lighting's bulbs contain less than 3 milligrams, and some have as little as 1.23 milligrams, said spokesman Steve Goldmacher.

To prevent mercury from getting into landfills, the EPA, CFL makers and various organizations advocate recycling.

Besides commercial recyclers and some municipal waste collection services, some retailers accept used CFLs.

IKEA, the Swedish home furnishings chain, has free drop-off programs at all of its 234 stores, 29 of which are in the United States. Spokeswoman Mona Astra Liss said response was slow at first, but has since picked up.

Now advocacy groups are calling on Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and other big chains to get involved.

Andy Ruben, vice president for corporate sustainability at Wal-Mart, said the company was working with the EPA's Office of Solid Waste and others to find mercury and recycling solutions.

RECYCLING HURDLES

One problem with recycling is that it isn't cheap.

Larry Chalfan, executive director of the Zero Waste Alliance environmental group, said the value of the metal, glass and mercury reclaimed from recycling fails to offset the cost of the process. "Someone has to pay," he said.

Costs can range from 20 cents to 50 cents per bulb -- not a paltry sum when some CFLs sell for less than $2 at Wal-Mart.

But, compared with the overall lifecycle cost of buying and using a bulb, recycling would be less than 1 percent, said Paul Abernathy, executive director of the Association of Lighting & Mercury Recyclers, "a small price to keep the mercury out of the environment."

Another obstacle lies in the fragility of the bulbs and their mercury content.

"People who are going to accumulate these things from the public are going to have to address the fact that breakage will happen," Abernathy said. "There's the potential for contamination, and I think right now people are a little hesitant to volunteer to take on this liability."

The U.S. government has no single recycling plan in mind, said Matt Hale, director of the EPA's Office of Solid Waste.

Among the alternatives are special curbside collections by municipalities, mail-back programs by manufacturers and drop-off programs at various places, including retail stores that sell CFLs, he said.

Some methods lend themselves to certain geographic areas more than others, Hale said, because of differences in population density, transportation infrastructure and proximity to recycling sites.

State laws are also a factor.

Federal regulations mandate recycling of fluorescent lighting, while exempting households and other small users. Some states, however, are strict. For example, California no longer allows anyone to throw CFLs in the trash, while Massachusetts requires manufacturers to implement recycling programs and meet certain targets.

As technology advances, however, mercury could become less of an issue, at least as far as light bulbs are concerned.

Last month General Electric Co. said it was working on doubling the energy efficiency of incandescent lights and eventually developing versions comparable with CFLs. These bulbs, which the company hopes to begin marketing in 2010, will cost less than fluorescents but they won't last as long.

Meanwhile, some environmentally minded consumers are embracing CFLs and doing their best to dispose of them responsibly.

"I have CFLs throughout my house," said Lindberg, who lives in California. "None of them have burned out yet. I can't tell you what I'll do with them when they've burned out, but I won't throw them in the garbage."

Nixon's Head
03-28-2007, 12:02 PM
Why can't you just dispose of them like they do other mercury-containing items?

Vegas
03-28-2007, 12:09 PM
Why can't you just dispose of them like they do other mercury-containing items?

You "can" but it's not a good idea.

Nixon's Head
03-28-2007, 12:30 PM
You "can" but it's not a good idea.Why is it not a good idea? It seems to work for all of the other items, old thermometers, thermostats, etc.

Vegas
03-28-2007, 12:41 PM
Why is it not a good idea? It seems to work for all of the other items, old thermometers, thermostats, etc.

Thermostats are generally bi-metal strips or rtd's in newer devices. Thermometers shouldn't just be thrown away. The mercury goes to the landfills and when things get compacted, the glass breaks and the mercury goes where it will. According to pnky, this is a happy event for Republicans as we love dirty water. I don't see it that way. They should be disposed of or recycled properly.

LSU
03-28-2007, 12:42 PM
Thermostats are generally bi-metal strips or rtd's in newer devices. Thermometers shouldn't just be thrown away. The mercury goes to the landfills and when things get compacted, the glass breaks and the mercury goes where it will. According to pnky, this is a happy event for Republicans as we love dirty water. I don't see it that way. They should be disposed of or recycled properly.



First off, I thought you weren't a republican.

Second off, I don't think that people think reps want dirty water. But if they have to live with it, they can work around it. Only want clean water if it means the profit margin isn't affected.

Nixon's Head
03-28-2007, 12:42 PM
Thermostats are generally bi-metal strips or rtd's in newer devices. Thermometers shouldn't just be thrown away. The mercury goes to the landfills and when things get compacted, the glass breaks and the mercury goes where it will. According to pnky, this is a happy event for Republicans as we love dirty water. I don't see it that way. They should be disposed of or recycled properly.That's what I'm saying for these light bulbs. My major was environmental management, I'm the last person you'll hear advocating improper disposal of something that contains mercury.

LSU
03-28-2007, 12:44 PM
Is it bad that I still throw used motor oil in the garbage?

Nixon's Head
03-28-2007, 12:47 PM
Is it bad that I still throw used motor oil in the garbage?No, that's perfectly fine. Better yet, just dump it down the drain in the kitchen sink.

LSU
03-28-2007, 12:50 PM
No, that's perfectly fine. Better yet, just dump it down the drain in the kitchen sink.




Tits. I've been looking for an easier way to dispose of it. It's only about a quart from the lawnmower, I figured it wouldn't hurt much.

Vegas
03-28-2007, 01:12 PM
First off, I thought you weren't a republican.

Second off, I don't think that people think reps want dirty water. But if they have to live with it, they can work around it. Only want clean water if it means the profit margin isn't affected.

I'm more of a Republican than Democrat for sure. I'm a registered Republican even though I'm closer to the Libertarian philosophy.

And the jerks who put profit over dirty water aren't all Republicans, I'm sure.

Jiddy78
03-28-2007, 01:21 PM
I'm more of a Republican than Democrat for sure. I'm a registered Republican even though I'm closer to the Libertarian philosophy.

And the jerks who put profit over dirty water aren't all Republicans, I'm sure.

Democrats want free (or close to it), clean tap water.

Republicans want bottled water.

Vegas
03-28-2007, 01:22 PM
Democrats want free (or close to it), clean tap water.

Republicans want bottled water.

I don't fall for that bottled water thing. I drink out of the tap.

Jiddy78
03-28-2007, 01:24 PM
I don't fall for that bottled water thing. I drink out of the tap.

So...Hillary or Obama?

Vegas
03-28-2007, 01:38 PM
So...Hillary or Obama?

Joe Lieberman.

Nixon's Head
03-28-2007, 03:21 PM
Back to my original question...if these are disposed of properly, like any other item that contains mercury, what is the big issue here?

Vegas
03-28-2007, 04:01 PM
Back to my original question...if these are disposed of properly, like any other item that contains mercury, what is the big issue here?

Because there are plenty of people (including Democrats) who dump waste oil in the trash or even pour it down the drain. There will be plenty of people who won't properly dispose of these bulbs.

Nixon's Head
03-28-2007, 04:07 PM
Because there are plenty of people (including Democrats) who dump waste oil in the trash or even pour it down the drain. There will be plenty of people who won't properly dispose of these bulbs.They use these at my mom's house, and I'll admit I had no idea there was an issue with mercury. I am not familiar with the packaging, but I would think if they mentioned on the packaging that it cannot be disposed of in the trash that most would dispose of it properly. Because, after all, I would say most of the people using these bulbs are conscious of the environment.