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Nixon's Head
05-10-2007, 09:39 AM
Where is the outpouring of support? Where are the Hollywood stars pledging millions of dollars in support and bemoaning President Bush’s lackluster response?

I am speaking, of course, about the tornadoes in Kansas.

As of Tuesday night, the town of Greensburg, Kansas lost 10 of its citizens. The most recent victim was Macksville police officer Robert Buckman, who died of a head wound suffered in the hellacious storm that ripped the town to pieces. As of press time, the town is still trying to determine how many of its 1,600 citizens were killed.

While the outpouring of support was significant, one usually ever-present segment of American society was absent: Hollywood.

There was no Sean Penn walking through the streets of Greensburg helping to pick up the pieces. There were no stars crying to the cameras about the tragedy that had befallen this poor American town. Furthermore, as of now, there do not appear to be any plans for a Whoopi Goldberg-Billy Crystal-Robin Williams telethon to help the citizens of the towns destroyed by these tornadoes rebuild.

The question one is forced to ask is: “Why?”

The answer is simple: this tragedy wasn’t “sexy” enough. A tornado destroying a small Kansas town that many have never heard of will not garner enough attention to justify these actors and actresses coming out of their multimillion-dollar mansions and getting their hands dirty. After all, the deaths of people like shop owners and police officers do not give the Hollywood elite enough of a justification to poke their finger in the President’s eye like they did during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

Now, you may be thinking that it is wrong to play politics with such a tragedy, and you would be right. However, I am not the only one doing it.

The governor of Kansas, Kathleen Sebelius, blamed the war in Iraq for the allegedly slow response to the tornadoes. She said that the government’s response was hindered by National Guard deployments to the Middle East.

Maybe that’s true and maybe it isn’t, but Sebelius should take a cue from her counterpart in Louisiana as to what can happen when you try to get too much political gain from a natural tragedy. Gov. Kathleen Blanco seemed to shoulder much of the blame and subsequently decided not to run for re-election.

The point of all this is that politics, for better or worse, plays a serious role in disaster recovery.

Hollywood’s elite have not come to Kansas and probably won’t because it is unlikely they would be able to use this tragedy the way they used Hurricane Katrina: to further their careers and give the President the middle finger. Additionally, Gov. Sebelius would be wise to keep her mouth shut about the war in Iraq or else suffer the same fate as Gov. Blanco.

Whether New Orleans or Greensburg, people dying from senseless tragedies is equally tragic.

If a state governor or Hollywood star wants to help, they should help regardless of the tragedy or makeup of those affected. Otherwise, stay respectfully silent.

Source (http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=43074).

LSU
05-10-2007, 09:45 AM
When a 300 mile wide tornado hits Kansas, Missouri, and Iowa in one fell swoop, then maybe the situations will be the same.

The deaths are tragic, no doubt. 10 people is 10 people. And 1000+ people is 1000+ people.

BoredWithNoSB
05-10-2007, 09:55 AM
The deaths are tragic, no doubt. 10 people is 10 people. And 1000+ people is 1000+ people.


I think this is the key. Tornados like this are regular events. That hurricane was once-in-a-lifetime.

LSU
05-10-2007, 09:56 AM
I think this is the key. Tornados like this are regular events. That hurricane was once-in-a-lifetime.



Depending on the season, once in a lifetime must mean once a month.

BoredWithNoSB
05-10-2007, 09:57 AM
Depending on the season, once in a lifetime must mean once a month.


When is the last time a Cat 4/5 hit New Orleans?

LSU
05-10-2007, 09:59 AM
When is the last time a Cat 4/5 hit New Orleans?



Oh, NO specifically? Yeah, once in a lifetime. I was under the impression you meant hurricanes in general.

And Katrina was a 3 when she hit, I believe. And I think the last one was Betsy in the 60s. I don't remember the path of Andrew, though...I know it hit Baton Rouge hard, but not sure if it hit east of here.

BoredWithNoSB
05-10-2007, 10:01 AM
Oh, NO specifically? Yeah, once in a lifetime. I was under the impression you meant hurricanes in general.


Nah, NO was uniquely ill-equipped to handle the hurricane since it doesn't get hit with one every year like Florida.

LSU
05-10-2007, 10:02 AM
Nah, NO was uniquely ill-equipped to handle the hurricane since it doesn't get hit with one every year like Florida.


Well, you're comparing a city to a state there...

BoredWithNoSB
05-10-2007, 10:07 AM
Well, you're comparing a city to a state there...


Well, Miami will usually get at least 1 per year, Central FL will get another. So, I just lumped them into one. What was it three eyars ago when Central FL had 3 "major" canes?

LSU
05-10-2007, 10:09 AM
Well, Miami will usually get at least 1 per year, Central FL will get another. So, I just lumped them into one. What was it three eyars ago when Central FL had 3 "major" canes?



Yeah, I think it was 2004...or 03 maybe. Ashey would know better.


Florida's phallic shape and location does make it an easier target for hurricanes...

Ed Who?
05-10-2007, 10:23 AM
Nah, NO was uniquely ill-equipped to handle the hurricane since it doesn't get hit with one every year like Florida.

Yeah, if only there were hundreds of buses that could have helped remove unfortunate residents from the storm's path:

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/buses.asp

Nixon's Head
05-10-2007, 10:24 AM
When a 300 mile wide tornado hits Kansas, Missouri, and Iowa in one fell swoop, then maybe the situations will be the same.

The deaths are tragic, no doubt. 10 people is 10 people. And 1000+ people is 1000+ people.I think that is the problem with these college student op-ed pieces. They don't really look at the bigger picture in these situations.

LSU
05-10-2007, 10:27 AM
Yeah, if only there were hundreds of buses that could have helped remove unfortunate residents from the storm's path:

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/buses.asp



Who would drive them?

Would you go door to door?

Would you drag people out of their homes that resisted leaving?


Perhaps a plan should have been in place to use such measures. Perhaps it's not feasible.

There were a lot of people left in NO. Probably a lot more that survived than died.

But I think pointing to the buses as the saving grace of thousands of lives is a bit short sighted in the grand scheme of things. JMO.

Ed Who?
05-10-2007, 11:36 AM
Who would drive them?

Would you go door to door?

Would you drag people out of their homes that resisted leaving?


Perhaps a plan should have been in place to use such measures. Perhaps it's not feasible.

There were a lot of people left in NO. Probably a lot more that survived than died.

But I think pointing to the buses as the saving grace of thousands of lives is a bit short sighted in the grand scheme of things. JMO.

Agreed. My assertion is that there was too much emphasis placed on labeling the administration as racist, and not enough emphasis was placed on the amount of time they had to plan for this, and simply balked. Everything was handled poorly across the board.

LSU
05-10-2007, 11:40 AM
Agreed. My assertion is that there was too much emphasis placed on labeling the administration as racist, and not enough emphasis was placed on the amount of time they had to plan for this, and simply balked. Everything was handled poorly across the board.


I agree. There is no lack of fault from the local, state, and federal governments. All had a hand in the lack of planning and response.

About the only people that I think did a good job were first responders, which included DNR staff, coast guard, etc...the people that were rescuing people from roof tops as soon as they could.

IBC
05-10-2007, 11:57 AM
Yeah, if only there were hundreds of buses that could have helped remove unfortunate residents from the storm's path:

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/buses.asp

Awesome. The urban legends reference page! Next time someone blames the Federal Government for Katrina show them this! What an intro. By the way, maybe you should read that whole article there buddy.

Now the governor has really messed shit up in Kansas too, right Ed? There is no issue at all because she has 6000 troops. No need for equipment. Thats in Iraq.

Ed Who?
05-10-2007, 12:03 PM
Awesome. The urban legends reference page! Next time someone blames the Federal Government for Katrina show them this! What an intro. By the way, maybe you should read that whole article there buddy.

Now the governor has really messed shit up in Kansas too, right Ed? There is no issue at all because she has 6000 troops. No need for equipment. Thats in Iraq.

The hurricane track of Katrina was pretty damned sure to come somewhere near New Orleans, and they knew that for a day or two in advance. It's obviously not easy to get a million people out of a city in a day, but I recall Nagin and Blanco being nestled away somewhere outside the danger zone.

I referenced Snopes because, if the pictures were hoaxes, they would have uncovered it. They aren't very quick to label something true.

As far as Kansas goes, it's unfortunate. But the Governor has, as so many idiot politicans do, used a tragedy to further their own careers. Bringing the critique of the Iraq War into it is pretty dumb. But she's gotta do what she feels is best for the state, and of course that's getting her name into the mainstream press.

LSU
05-10-2007, 12:12 PM
The hurricane track of Katrina was pretty damned sure to come somewhere near New Orleans, and they knew that for a day or two in advance. It's obviously not easy to get a million people out of a city in a day, but I recall Nagin and Blanco being nestled away somewhere outside the danger zone.

I referenced Snopes because, if the pictures were hoaxes, they would have uncovered it. They aren't very quick to label something true.

As far as Kansas goes, it's unfortunate. But the Governor has, as so many idiot politicans do, used a tragedy to further their own careers. Bringing the critique of the Iraq War into it is pretty dumb. But she's gotta do what she feels is best for the state, and of course that's getting her name into the mainstream press.


I remember going to get the oil changed Saturday morning and the wife called and said that the track included New Orleans (it wasn't that clear before that as I remember). And I remember going to bed Saturday night with it being a 3. Sunday morning around 7 am or so, we woke up and turned on the news and it was a 5. And it hit on Monday as a strong 3.

So, the whole plan would have needed to take place beginning sometime late friday or early saturday and be completely implemented by Sunday in order to get everyone out before Monday.

Now, this is 2 years old almost, so it's possible the timeline as I remember it is off by a day...not for sure.

And also, there had been many times prior to this where NO was warned about an impending hurricane and people evacuated only to see NO suffer little to no damage (at least since Betsy) and with the pumping stations and supposed Cat-3 level levees in place, a direct hit by a 4 or 5 should have been the only real threat.

As it turned out, Katrina was a 3 and was not a direct hit, so theoretically everything should've been fine.

That is, if the levees had been up to standard. That's a city/parish, state, and federal issue.

Had the levees held, none of this would have been an issue. The Cat-3 levees didn't survive an indirect Cat-3 hit.

LSU
05-10-2007, 12:14 PM
Oh, and Blanco was in the capital, Baton Rouge, 70 miles from NO. Why would she be anywhere else? And if I recall correctly, Nagin was in New Orleans. Neither were "nestled" away from the danger.

IBC
05-10-2007, 12:21 PM
My only comment Ed, is do you think it is a problem the National Guard equipment is going to Iraq and not being replaced?