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KinjaKahn
11-08-2008, 06:46 PM
Obama Makes 'No Commitment' on Missile Shield
08/11/08
WASHINGTON - Barack Obama has made no commitment that a missile defense shield in eastern Europe will go ahead, an advisor to the president-elect said Saturday, in apparent contradiction of statements by Poland.

http://www.commondreams.org/files/article_images/missileshield1108.jpg
The United States says its missile shield is directed against
"rogue states" such as Iran. This rhetoric has been the hallmark
of the Bush administration's talking points on the controversial
missile defense system in eastern Europe. The media, too, has
soaked it up to such an extent that it simply ignores that the
missile shield is clearly capable of being a first-strike weapon
and as such is clearly provocative to the Russians. Little talk
circulates about why Iran would want to engage either Poland or
The Czech Republic, but again, the mainstream media don't
find this a particularly important question to ask. (AFP)


Earlier, a statement from Polish President Lech Kaczynski after the two men spoke by telephone said Obama had said he would go ahead with plans to build a missile defense shield in eastern Europe despite threats from Russia.But Obama had given no such clear cut undertaking on the controversial program, his senior foreign policy advisor Denis McDonough said in a statement.
(The) "president-elect had a good conversation with the Polish President and the Polish Prime Minister about the important US-Poland alliance," McDonough said in a statement.
"President Kaczynski raised missile defense but President-elect Obama made no commitment on it.
"His position is as it was throughout the campaign, that he supports deploying a missile defense system when the technology is proved to be workable."
The statement by President Kaczynski appeared to put a different spin on the conversation between the two men.
"Barack Obama has underlined the importance of the strategic partnership between Poland and the United States, he expressed his hope of continuing the political and military cooperation between our two countries," the statement read.
"He also said the anti-missile shield project would go ahead," said a statement said.
Warsaw and Washington signed a deal on August 14 to base part of a US missile shield in Poland, despite Moscow's opposition and mounting East-West tensions over Georgia.
The United States wants to base 10 interceptor missiles in Poland plus a radar facility in the neighboring Czech Republic by 2011-2013 to complete a system already in place in the United States, Greenland and Britain.
Washington says the shield -- endorsed by NATO in February -- is aimed at fending off potential attacks by so-called "rogue states" such as Iran, and is in no way aimed at Russia.
The United States warns that Iran could develop long-range missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads by 2015-2017.
The plan has enraged Moscow and the Kremlin has threatened to aim its own missiles at the planned US installations.
Just hours after Obama's historic election victory on Tuesday, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Moscow would station short-range missile systems in its Kaliningrad enclave wedged between Poland and fellow EU member Lithuania.
US negotiator John Rood said Thursday that Washington had given Russia fresh proposals to try to ease its concerns and hoped the row could still be resolved.
He said the offer was sent "earlier this week," before Medvedev announced his plans to deploy missiles in Kaliningrad.
Medvedev's remarks on Wednesday amounted to a warning shot to Obama and Washington's allies in central Europe.
The European Union and NATO also expressed strong concern over Russia's decision to deploy missiles on the EU's doorstep.
Polish lawmakers have yet to ratify the US missile defense deal while the Czech government has called for a delay in a final vote on its radar agreements until the inauguration of President George W. Bush's successor in January.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
11-09-2008, 12:12 AM
Wow.

And i had just been thinking that maybe- just maaaaybe- the Obamessiah was being more moderate and willing to think his decisions through for the good of the Polish than simply being willing to heed to whatever Russia tells him he should do.

Mike
11-09-2008, 12:24 AM
He's not the President, yet.

This project will go ahead if Bush wants it to go ahead.

Making "committments" before Jan. 20, 2009, really isn't what should be going on.

I'd bet on the program going forward even after Jan. 20, 2009.

Warsaw and Washington signed a deal on August 14 to base part of a US missile shield in Poland, despite Moscow's opposition


Washington says the shield -- endorsed by NATO in February -- is aimed at fending off potential attacks by so-called "rogue states" such as Iran, and is in no way aimed at Russia.


US negotiator John Rood said Thursday that Washington had given Russia fresh proposals to try to ease its concerns and hoped the row could still be resolved.

Polish lawmakers have yet to ratify the US missile defense deal while the Czech government has called for a delay in a final vote on its radar agreements until the inauguration of President George W. Bush's successor in January.


It sounds like the timing of some of these conversations, and the interpretations of them, could be the real issue in this "report." What administration does John Rood work for and why would he be giving Russia "fresh proposals to try to ease its concerns" on Thursday?

Maybe there are good diplomatic and strategic reasons. And maybe it's prudent for Barack to let that process have a chance to progress consistent with what the current administration is attempting to accomplish.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
11-09-2008, 12:33 AM
Making "committments" before Jan. 20, 2009, really isn't what should be going on.

Maybe there are good diplomatic and strategic reasons. And maybe it's prudent for Barack to let that process have a chance to progress consistent with what the current administration is attempting to accomplish. Or just maybe we shouldn't have a leader-elect who's sending mixed messages to other countries.

He says one thing directly to the Polish leader, then his staff refutes that statement....excellent.
:rolleyes:

Even John Kerry couldn't pull off that big a gem.

Mike
11-09-2008, 12:39 AM
Or just maybe we shouldn't have a leader-elect who's sending mixed messages to other countries.

He says one thing directly to the Polish leader, then his staff refutes that statement....excellent.
:rolleyes:

Even John Kerry couldn't pull off that big a gem.


Yes, because Barack could have said he won't allow any drastic changes in current policy -- and the Polish leader interpreted that, and spread the word, his word, as he deemed best for his and his country's interests?

And you believe, as truth and in context, what reporters say others say happened in conversations?

Of course you could also consider the source of this story, and attempt to argue that they've never reported anything in a biased manner or in any way that could be considered to twist circumstances in such a way to denigrade and belittle those of differing viewpoints.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
11-09-2008, 12:46 AM
Yes, because Barack could have said he won't allow any drastic changes in current policy -- and the Polish leader interpreted that, and spread the word, his word, as he deemed best for his and his country's interests?

And you believe, as truth and in context, what reporters say others say happened in conversations?

Of course you could also consider the source of this story, and attempt to argue that they've never reported anything in a biased manner or in any way that could be considered to twist circumstances in such a way to denigrade and belittle those of differing viewpoints. That's great that you wanna believe in the concept that in any conversation there're 8 people involved (what i say, what you say, what i think you said, what you think i said, etc etc).

The fact that there're two stories floating around- what the Obamessiah told Lech and what the Obamessiah's own advisor says he told Lech- is what should have you questioning this admin this early.

But at least the Obamessiah didn't go off half-cocked and say that the Polish leader wants to conduct seances.

Mike
11-09-2008, 12:52 AM
That's great that you wanna believe in the concept that in any conversation there're 8 people involved (what i say, what you say, what i think you said, what you think i said, etc etc).

The fact that there're two stories floating around- what the Obamessiah told Lech and what the Obamessiah's own advisor says he told Lech- is what should have you questioning this admin this early.

But at least the Obamessiah didn't go off half-cocked and say that the Polish leader wants to conduct seances.


Have fun giggling over your messiah BS. Is that a Rush-ism? I haven't heard Rush in over 8 years, so I don't know. But I know it's typical.

It sounds to me like Obama's staff has set the record straight, after a report they didn't agree with.

And of course no seance BS when everyone knows that astrology is the way to find guidance in daily life.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
11-09-2008, 02:09 AM
Have fun giggling over your messiah BS. Is that a Rush-ism? I haven't heard Rush in over 8 years, so I don't know. You should. You seemed to have welcomed him into your life a lot more recently than i have.

I haven't listened to Rush in well over 20 years.

But keep going around saying that i listen to the hypocrite, if that's all you have in your quiver.

I've already posted in one reply that i don't, but this has been the third post of yours that's ignored that fact.

...and i'm supposed to believe that you "lived it" with regard to Nam and Nixon's decision-making that you seem to know intimately.

:rolleyes:

Jesse Helms' Ghost
11-09-2008, 02:10 AM
It sounds to me like Obama's staff has set the record straight, after a report they didn't agree with. Thanks for the spin.

Mike
11-09-2008, 02:16 AM
You should. You seemed to have welcomed him into your life a lot more recently than i have.

I haven't listened to Rush in well over 20 years.

But keep going around saying that i listen to the hypocrite, if that's all you have in your quiver.

I've already posted in one reply that i don't, but this has been the third post of yours that's ignored that fact.

...and i'm supposed to believe that you "lived it" with regard to Nam and Nixon's decision-making that you seem to know intimately.

:rolleyes:


Hey if you denounce Rush, more power to you. I'll bet he says "Obamessiah" though, what do you bet?

I don't know it (Viet Nam withdrawal) intimately -- other than living through it and reading everything I can get my hands on about it. From the Nixon apologists to his staunchist critics. The intelligence knew to snuff what they knew.

The quiver stash came from your own immature monikers. I may have wrongly guessed that you heard it from Rush, but I'm confident Rush has attempted to put forth positions with similar childish methods. Or at least he used to.

Iron Jaw
11-09-2008, 09:37 PM
Right now he's merely voting "present" once again.

BoredWithNoSB
11-09-2008, 09:41 PM
Right now he's merely voting "present" once again.

Seeing as he likely hasn't been fully breifed on things yet and isn't the policy maker for the nation yet, I think 'present' is the prudent vote.

Also, this is all pointless anyway as Russia claims to have effective countermeasures against a missile sheild.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
11-10-2008, 01:12 AM
This worries me.

But of course the Obama-apologists will downplay this- although those same people were screaming foul when Bush used the same type of Orders right after 9/11.

Obama to use executive orders for immediate impact

WASHINGTON – President-elect Obama plans to use his executive powers to make an immediate impact when he takes office...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081109/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama

Mike
11-10-2008, 03:40 AM
This worries me.

But of course the Obama-apologists will downplay this- although those same people were screaming foul when Bush used the same type of Orders right after 9/11.

Obama to use executive orders for immediate impact

WASHINGTON – President-elect Obama plans to use his executive powers to make an immediate impact when he takes office...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081109/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama

Yep.

He may exercise Presidential powers as he sees fit.

What a surprise this worries you.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
11-10-2008, 05:31 AM
He may exercise Presidential powers as he sees fit.

What a surprise this worries you. Socialism usually does.

Iron Jaw
11-10-2008, 03:07 PM
Seeing as he likely hasn't been fully breifed on things yet and isn't the policy maker for the nation yet, I think 'present' is the prudent vote.

Also, this is all pointless anyway as Russia claims to have effective countermeasures against a missile sheild.

As a U.S. Senator, the man should know what's going on involving the missle shield in Poland.

Perhaps if he had spent a little more time in the senate, he would know a few things about issues that affect world security.

swordfish
11-10-2008, 06:48 PM
Seeing as he likely hasn't been fully breifed on things yet and isn't the policy maker for the nation yet, I think 'present' is the prudent vote.

Also, this is all pointless anyway as Russia claims to have effective countermeasures against a missile sheild.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxD44HO8dNQ

They had countermeasures since 1961.