Throwing Palin Under The Bus

[Ed Who?]

Interesting to hear the McCain Campaign throw Palin under the bus. Watching O'Reilly last night, the beat reporter that followed McCain/Palin claimed that Palin didn't know certain things (i.e. that Africa was a continent and not a country), and that she refused prepping for the Couric interview.

Anyway, I'm putting this in conspiracy because it's my belief that Palin was simply an instrument for McCain. Obviously he brought her in to energize conservatives and perhaps win a few Hillary votes. My belief is that, now that the election's over, they want no part of Palin ever being the nominee. They underestimated how much the country in general would take to her.

[Roy Munson]

Interesting to hear the McCain Campaign throw Palin under the bus. Watching O'Reilly last night, the beat reporter that followed McCain/Palin claimed that Palin didn't know certain things (i.e. that Africa was a continent and not a country), and that she refused prepping for the Couric interview.

Anyway, I'm putting this in conspiracy because it's my belief that Palin was simply an instrument for McCain. Obviously he brought her in to energize conservatives and perhaps win a few Hillary votes. My belief is that, now that the election's over, they want no part of Palin ever being the nominee. They underestimated how much the country in general would take to her.

The vast majority of the country thinks she's a joke.

[fahvra]

The vast majority of the country thinks she's a joke.

at least 75%.

[pnkpanther]

Interesting to hear the McCain Campaign throw Palin under the bus. Watching O'Reilly last night, the beat reporter that followed McCain/Palin claimed that Palin didn't know certain things (i.e. that Africa was a continent and not a country), and that she refused prepping for the Couric interview.

Anyway, I'm putting this in conspiracy because it's my belief that Palin was simply an instrument for McCain. Obviously he brought her in to energize conservatives and perhaps win a few Hillary votes. My belief is that, now that the election's over, they want no part of Palin ever being the nominee. They underestimated how much the country in general would take to her.


then why did ticket lose so many votes because of her?

[hannitykillspuppies]

she couldn't name the countries involved in nafta. that was my favorite one.

[Reagan Smash]

then why did ticket lose so many votes because of her?

He could've ran with Jesus Christ on the ticket, and he would've lost.

[LSU]

He could've ran with Jesus Christ on the ticket, and he would've lost.


He would've at least gotten my vote.

[Reagan Smash]

He would've at least gotten my vote.

Yeah, but the media would've gotten on Jesus because of his lack of experience. Plus could you imagine the way Newsweek would have ripped him apart because he wore sandals?

[LSU]

Yeah, but the media would've gotten on Jesus because of his lack of experience. Plus could you imagine the way Newsweek would have ripped him apart because he wore sandals?

Good thing the media doesn't make my decision for me.

[pnkpanther]

He could've ran with Jesus Christ on the ticket, and he would've lost.

thats not what I asked

I asked, why did his ticket lose votes because of her?

[BambinoBear]

He could've ran with Jesus Christ on the ticket, and he would've lost.
How could he run with Obama is he was running against him? ;)

[pnkpanther]

Apparently Palin tried to give a concession speech (something not normally done by VP candidates) and John told her "no"

[Iron Jaw]

Apparently Palin tried to give a concession speech (something not normally done by VP candidates) and John told her "no"

I would say that's because John knows the general procedure, and knows that Palin will be a viable candidate in the future - and she has nothing to concede. She didn't lose an election - VP's don't run in this day and age. They ride piggyback.

And those who proclaim that she cost the party votes, I disagree with - including the pollsters who ask people who "proclaim" they would have voted for McCain if he'd chosen Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Condi Rice........

Mitt would have given John strength in Michigan - perhaps - Michigan is a strange place. Possibly Ohio..........definitely Colorado with the hefty Mormon population on the western slope...........but most LDS members more than likely supported McCain either way. Mitt would have hurt in the south, and definitely would have axed Florida early. The LDS issue would have been hammered day in and out.

Mike Huckabee might have helped ice Florida and more than likely North Carolina, possibly Virginia, and allowed him to put Mizzou away early. But, Ohio - no value.

Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo would have helped with the very conservative base - as Sarah Palin did.

Rudy Giuliani would have hurt in the southern Atlantic seaboard and south in general.

Condi - hard to say. It depends upon how much the Republican voters would have supported a member of the Bush Administration. The fact that she's very gifted intellectually and well-spoken has little to do with it. The left would have proclaimed that McCain ONLY did it because she is a woman AND black (all black too). As stated, her superb qualifications would have nothing to it. Plus, she would have added to the dem "McSame" slogan.

[pnkpanther]

I would say that's because John knows the general procedure, and knows that Palin will be a viable candidate in the future - and she has nothing to concede. She didn't lose an election - VP's don't run in this day and age. They ride piggyback.

And those who proclaim that she cost the party votes, I disagree with - including the pollsters who ask people who "proclaim" they would have voted for McCain if he'd chosen Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Condi Rice........

Mitt would have given John strength in Michigan - perhaps - Michigan is a strange place. Possibly Ohio..........definitely Colorado with the hefty Mormon population on the western slope...........but most LDS members more than likely supported McCain either way. Mitt would have hurt in the south, and definitely would have axed Florida early. The LDS issue would have been hammered day in and out.

Mike Huckabee might have helped ice Florida and more than likely North Carolina, possibly Virginia, and allowed him to put Mizzou away early. But, Ohio - no value.

Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo would have helped with the very conservative base - as Sarah Palin did.

Rudy Giuliani would have hurt in the southern Atlantic seaboard and south in general.

Condi - hard to say. It depends upon how much the Republican voters would have supported a member of the Bush Administration. The fact that she's very gifted intellectually and well-spoken has little to do with it. The left would have proclaimed that McCain ONLY did it because she is a woman AND black (all black too). As stated, her superb qualifications would have nothing to it. Plus, she would have added to the dem "McSame" slogan.


Not surprsingly, I disagree. I think the news coming out of McCain camp is based on truth. There was a rift in the McCain Palin Camp and John was fed up with Palin. Palin's concession speech most likely was her trying to continue to put herself in the spotlight. For many, the race became Sarah Palin vs Obama and McCain moved back. Palin even refferred to it as the Palin McCain ticket in Iowa. Palin made news probably only second to Obama.

Palin lost a lot of credibility with indepedent voters over time. While many fell in love with her folksy/flirsty whatever you want to call it, I was tired of it quickly. She seemed to lack knowledge of the issues and underqualified, for not noly VP, as any high ranking government official IMO. If republicans continue to put their hopes on those who hold social issues first and foremost their party will continue to struggle.

That's not to say Palin doomed ticket or someone else could've saved it, but she didn't help. I think she looked too much to her own political future. If there is truth to what some of unnamed McCain aides are saying, her political future maybe cloudy.

Outside of one, I'd agree to your assesment of the other VP Candidates. I think Republicans should look to Tim Pawlenty (MN governor) as one possible for the future. I'm actually not a big T-Paw fan...but I think he'd be goood for the Party and has a good future in the Party.

I can't stand Condi Rice, and not due to being black or a woman. She's been a bush yes woman for 8 years. I'll leave it at that, anymore is futile I guess, ryr will just continue to say I dont support her due to being a women.

[Mike]

Not surprsingly, I disagree. I think the news coming out of McCain camp is based on truth. There was a rift in the McCain Palin Camp and John was fed up with Palin. Palin's concession speech most likely was her trying to continue to put herself in the spotlight. For many, the race became Sarah Palin vs Obama and McCain moved back. Palin even refferred to it as the Palin McCain ticket in Iowa. Palin made news probably only second to Obama.

Palin lost a lot of credibility with indepedent voters over time. While many fell in love with her folksy/flirsty whatever you want to call it, I was tired of it quickly. She seemed to lack knowledge of the issues and underqualified, for not noly VP, as any high ranking government official IMO. If republicans continue to put their hopes on those who hold social issues first and foremost their party will continue to struggle.

That's not to say Palin doomed ticket or someone else could've saved it, but she didn't help. I think she looked too much to her own political future. If there is truth to what some of unnamed McCain aides are saying, her political future maybe cloudy.

Outside of one, I'd agree to your assesment of the other VP Candidates. I think Republicans should look to Tim Pawlenty (MN governor) as one possible for the future. I'm actually not a big T-Paw fan...but I think he'd be goood for the Party and has a good future in the Party.

I can't stand Condi Rice, and not due to being black or a woman. She's been a bush yes woman for 8 years. I'll leave it at that, anymore is futile I guess, ryr will just continue to say I dont support her due to being a women.


Pnk if "flirsty" isn't a word it damn well should be, and I'll be using it whenever I can use it.

[Jiddy78]

I would say that's because John knows the general procedure, and knows that Palin will be a viable candidate in the future - and she has nothing to concede. She didn't lose an election - VP's don't run in this day and age. They ride piggyback.

And those who proclaim that she cost the party votes, I disagree with - including the pollsters who ask people who "proclaim" they would have voted for McCain if he'd chosen Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Condi Rice........

Mitt would have given John strength in Michigan - perhaps - Michigan is a strange place. Possibly Ohio..........definitely Colorado with the hefty Mormon population on the western slope...........but most LDS members more than likely supported McCain either way. Mitt would have hurt in the south, and definitely would have axed Florida early. The LDS issue would have been hammered day in and out.

Mike Huckabee might have helped ice Florida and more than likely North Carolina, possibly Virginia, and allowed him to put Mizzou away early. But, Ohio - no value.

Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo would have helped with the very conservative base - as Sarah Palin did.

Rudy Giuliani would have hurt in the southern Atlantic seaboard and south in general.

Condi - hard to say. It depends upon how much the Republican voters would have supported a member of the Bush Administration. The fact that she's very gifted intellectually and well-spoken has little to do with it. The left would have proclaimed that McCain ONLY did it because she is a woman AND black (all black too). As stated, her superb qualifications would have nothing to it. Plus, she would have added to the dem "McSame" slogan.

The polls were right on all the way about Obama winning in hindsight...Contrary to the far right's mediots and constituents denying as such....

[Peter for President]

The polls were right on all the way about Obama winning in hindsight...Contrary to the far right's mediots and constituents denying as such....
What about when the polls had McCain winning prior to the economic collapse?

[Jiddy78]

What about when the polls had McCain winning prior to the economic collapse?

Probably were right...Solid point for all future presidents...Don't have the economy collapse before the election if you value your party's chances.

[Reagan Smash]

I can't stand Condi Rice, and not due to being black or a woman. She's been a bush yes woman for 8 years.

Gives me another reason to want to vote for her. Not enough women say yes to bush these days.

[Peter for President]

Probably were right...Solid point for all future presidents...Don't have the economy collapse before the election if you value your party's chances.
Ha. Obviously he got pretty much all hope taken out by the unfortunate circumstances. It happens.

[BoredWithNoSB]

And those who proclaim that she cost the party votes, I disagree with - including the pollsters who ask people who "proclaim" they would have voted for McCain if he'd chosen Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Condi Rice.......

I would have voted McCain if he chose Romney or Condi. Huckabee would have led me to a tough choice. If McCain would have selected Hillary, I would have voted for that ticket in a heartbeat.

Palin was such a hardline conservative and exemplified everything I dislike about the conservative stereotype.

Also, McCain's choice of Palin showed me he wasn't running the shots. When he said he had never even met with Palin prior to choosing her I cringed. You shouldn't have your first conversation with a person when you are offering them to be your #2. Again, the pick was just to lock in the conservative vote and drove all the moderates away.

For Obama, it was tough for him to choose anyone more liberal than himself and at least he & Joe knew each other beforehand.

[Vegas]

I would have voted McCain if he chose Romney or Condi. Huckabee would have led me to a tough choice. If McCain would have selected Hillary, I would have voted for that ticket in a heartbeat.

Palin was such a hardline conservative and exemplified everything I dislike about the conservative stereotype.

Also, McCain's choice of Palin showed me he wasn't running the shots. When he said he had never even met with Palin prior to choosing her I cringed. You shouldn't have your first conversation with a person when you are offering them to be your #2. Again, the pick was just to lock in the conservative vote and drove all the moderates away.

For Obama, it was tough for him to choose anyone more liberal than himself and at least he & Joe knew each other beforehand.

Does it bother you that Joe Biden is out of his mind?

[ryr8828]

I would have voted McCain if he chose Romney or Condi. Huckabee would have led me to a tough choice. If McCain would have selected Hillary, I would have voted for that ticket in a heartbeat.

Palin was such a hardline conservative and exemplified everything I dislike about the conservative stereotype.

Also, McCain's choice of Palin showed me he wasn't running the shots. When he said he had never even met with Palin prior to choosing her I cringed. You shouldn't have your first conversation with a person when you are offering them to be your #2. Again, the pick was just to lock in the conservative vote and drove all the moderates away.

For Obama, it was tough for him to choose anyone more liberal than himself and at least he & Joe knew each other beforehand.

Finally someone who tells the truth, no made up bullshit about Sarah Palin used as an excuse.

[Iron Jaw]

Palin was such a hardline conservative and exemplified everything I dislike about the conservative stereotype.



That, of course, is what I liked about Sarah Palin.

She was the most conservative of all candidates from the primaries on, with the possible exception of Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo who exited early. Hunter would have been an excellent VP choice for John too.

[LSU]

Finally someone who tells the truth, no made up bullshit about Sarah Palin used as an excuse.


I'm not sure what to believe about her. She was supposedly the "conservative" but I've read that in Alaska, she was/is more centrist than she came off during the presidential campaign.

But either way, I didn't hear her speak much, but every time I did, I didn't come away impressed. Not that I was impressed when I heard Biden say anything. But there are levels of "not impressed" and Sarah Sixpack was lower.

[Reagan Smash]

Palin had to appeal to moderate women and the conservative base. It was asking too much from an experienced politician, let alone someone with limited experience. Of course, this was a gamble that they made. I actually think the mistake was hiding her away so much, which made them look like they were hiding her.

[Cat in the Hat]

I can't claim to know a ton about this subject. However, the day the McCain announced his running mate I happened to be listening to a radio station covering the Republican national convention and a lot of people were just completely taken aback by this choice. I also distinctly remember the statements by the reporters saying that this was a choice made to energize the party and get people excited about what was going on. Based on all that they said about her prior to that, I was wondering how that conclusion was reached. Not only that, but there were several women who called into the show to tell the show how outraged or turned off they were by the pick in response to the fact that many folks believed it to be a ploy to lure in the Hillary supporters.

Based on all I had heard from the women callers and the folks on the show, I was quite unimpressed with the Palin pick. Not only that, but I felt it was McCain's non-verbal concession at the time as it seemed to me he felt as though he had no chance to win the election anyhow. Why not just go with a bold move that will knock the general publics' socks off by picking this ditsy, upstart former beauty queen governor of the far flung state of Alaska. Perhaps if the move was bold enough people might be shocked enough to think he really did have it together and was the maverick they voted for in the primaries. As it was, it just reaffirmed to me that McCain was now a puppet of the Republican party and not a man with a solid plan that he felt was best representative of the Republican party and what was going to reassure the American public that the right changes were going to be made.

Not only that, but Bush doomed any Republican nominee from the get go, IMO. The approval rating of Bush is so low and knowing that McCain has been a close supporter of Bush in the past, I'm led to believe that the general non-partisan public has become so disenchanted with a Republican in the White House that it couldn't take the potential of another four years of what we're currently going through. Of course it also hasn't been much of a help that the two houses were primarily controlled by Democrats who pretty much bucked every move Bush wanted to make in his second term (with what I feel wasn't bad reasoning at all).