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Reagan Smash
03-27-2007, 12:12 PM
I know most of the topics around here are pretty heavy, but I wanted to post this for a while. In your opinion, who is the most overrated and most underrated president. I have my opinion, but I'll hold off until I see some of yours.
I know most of the topics around here are pretty heavy, but I wanted to post this for a while. In your opinion, who is the most overrated and most underrated president. I have my opinion, but I'll hold off until I see some of yours.
Overrated:
GWB (30% approval isn't near low enough)
LBJ
Kennedy
Andrew jackson
Underrated:
Clinton
Carter
FDR (#1 in my book)
Vegas
03-27-2007, 12:24 PM
I'd say Richard Nixon was the most overrated and Harry Truman was the most underrated.
pnkpanther
03-27-2007, 01:15 PM
most underrated-Bush SR
most overrated-Reagan-tripled our national debt, communism was on its way out and he did nothing more then follow footprint of presidents before him and yet he gets credit for defeating russia. not to mention all of his scandals, had he not been shot and won over public, he never wouldve been reelected.
JFK, Woodrow Wilson, i'd put in as overrated
I think Clinton is a bit underrated AND Overrated, all who you ask.
Reagan Smash
03-27-2007, 01:31 PM
Ok, your all wrong, but that's cool.
Most Underrated - Richard Nixon. Of course history is written by the winners, and Nixon ended up losing. However, his policies regarding China and the USSR are not to be overlooked. Behind him, John Adams role in keeping stability after Washington should not be forgotten.
Most Overrated - This one was tough, but I have to say JFK. The Bay of Pigs was a national disgrace, but that is often ignored because he was handsome, young, and assassinated. FDR is also overrated as well, as many of his New Deal policies did little, and the economy didn't rebound until the U.S. entered World War II.
hannitykillspuppies
03-27-2007, 01:32 PM
overrated:
jfk
reagan
underrated:
fdr
lincoln
Most underrated:
GDubya. Too many people underrate what a terrible job he's done.
Most overrated:
GDubya. Too many people think he's done a good job.
Jiddy78
03-27-2007, 03:01 PM
Clinton is up there in overrated....He continued in the footsteps of those facilitating our bubble "lucky" economy.
swordfish
03-27-2007, 06:00 PM
Overrated - Bill Clinton
Underrated - Thomas Jefferson
abreu
03-27-2007, 09:44 PM
Underrated - Truman, Adams
Overrated - Lincoln
Hear me out. Lincoln was a great president, yes. But I often become fed up that he has praised heaped upon him for being anti-slavery. Well, he wasn't. I'm sure most of you know this, but about 90% of America has no idea and it's quite irritating. He also suspended habeas corpus in MD, which wasn't really necessary, and many people were wrongfully imprisoned for years.
ryr8828
03-27-2007, 09:51 PM
Underrated: Nixon
Overrated: Clinton
pnkpanther
03-28-2007, 10:18 AM
Ok, your all wrong, but that's cool.
Most Underrated - Richard Nixon. Of course history is written by the winners, and Nixon ended up losing. However, his policies regarding China and the USSR are not to be overlooked. Behind him, John Adams role in keeping stability after Washington should not be forgotten.
Most Overrated - This one was tough, but I have to say JFK. The Bay of Pigs was a national disgrace, but that is often ignored because he was handsome, young, and assassinated. FDR is also overrated as well, as many of his New Deal policies did little, and the economy didn't rebound until the U.S. entered World War II.
Look at what FDR inherited from years of republican of control, and republicans fought him tooth and nail on most of programs. I've studied this era in great detail and am happy to go into it.
of course WW2 brought us out, our government spended money like crazy.....put money in economy, it's a simple concept.
Reagan Smash
03-28-2007, 10:59 AM
Look at what FDR inherited from years of republican of control, and republicans fought him tooth and nail on most of programs. I've studied this era in great detail and am happy to go into it.
of course WW2 brought us out, our government spended money like crazy.....put money in economy, it's a simple concept.
FDR's programs to stimulate the economy didn't do nearly as much good as he is now given credit for. His biggest claim to fame was the social security and unemployment programs which created a safety net. However, people still suffered greatly for many years of the New Deal, especially farmers.
hannitykillspuppies
03-28-2007, 11:05 AM
FDR's programs to stimulate the economy didn't do nearly as much good as he is now given credit for. His biggest claim to fame was the social security and unemployment programs which created a safety net. However, people still suffered greatly for many years of the New Deal, especially farmers.
unemployment dropped every year of his presidency.
Vegas
03-28-2007, 11:11 AM
unemployment dropped every year of his presidency.
It basically had nowhere to go but up.
hannitykillspuppies
03-28-2007, 11:27 AM
It basically had nowhere to go but up.
and yet it didn't.
Jiddy78
03-28-2007, 11:30 AM
unemployment dropped every year of his presidency.
Unemployment is another joke...We've changed that calculation umpteen times so what unemployment is now hardly compares to what it was in the past....See, in mathematics, when you change the variables...Results differ...and guess what? Statistically comparing them becomes.....moot.
Vegas
03-28-2007, 11:32 AM
Unemployment is another joke...We've changed that calculation umpteen times so what unemployment is now hardly compares to what it was in the past....See, in mathematics, when you change the variables...Results differ...and guess what? Statistically comparing them becomes.....moot.
But it gives politicians more to brag or complain about.
pnkpanther
03-28-2007, 11:39 AM
FDR's programs to stimulate the economy didn't do nearly as much good as he is now given credit for. His biggest claim to fame was the social security and unemployment programs which created a safety net. However, people still suffered greatly for many years of the New Deal, especially farmers.
of course they did, there was no immediate soloution to this problem. The republicans strategy was to do nothing, markets would resolve themselves, unemployment soared to 30%
FDR made several job programs, there are trails throughout rockies and appalachian mountains made for no real reason, FDR wanted to get young men working and OUT of the city. Every major country was in a depression, save one, brownie points to person who knows which one wasnt. In fact this country probably had it's greatest economic success of that countries long history during this time span (it ended).....
there were serveral problems leading up great depression, unregulated markets, corporate greed, cheating....the republican dream.
Droughts and other factors played large effects, bank closings,stock market crash...
all the while republicans were arguing, oo no, we have to cut back spending, and the one year repub's got their way, around 1933, GDP took a huge dip, roughly triple of spending cuts.
I like social security, unemployment benefits, but i think they need to be adjusted.
FDR did a lot, wasnt perfect, no president is. I have my faults with SS, i dont blame FDR for not envisioning the baby boom or for every president robbing it blind w/o paying it back.
Unemployment is another joke...We've changed that calculation umpteen times so what unemployment is now hardly compares to what it was in the past....See, in mathematics, when you change the variables...Results differ...and guess what? Statistically comparing them becomes.....moot.
You mean like just stop counting some people? Who did that?
Vegas
03-28-2007, 11:42 AM
How many people know that Social Security was originally proposed by Herbert Hoover?
pnkpanther
03-28-2007, 11:48 AM
How many people know that Social Security was originally proposed by Herbert Hoover?
and homeland security was originally thought of by Democrats.....
Hoover's also wanted to do nothing and ride the storm out.
How many people know that Social Security was originally proposed by Herbert Hoover?
Helluva President he was. Lets go ahead and compare Hoover and FDR. I have to leave in a few, but this should be alot of fun.
Vegas
03-28-2007, 11:53 AM
Helluva President he was. Lets go ahead and compare Hoover and FDR. I have to leave in a few, but this should be alot of fun.
When did I say that Hoover was a good president?
And what really caused the great depression? It was the horrible policies and practices of the federal reserve. They screwed up the money supply.
When did I say that Hoover was a good president?
And what really caused the great depression? It was the horrible policies and practices of the federal reserve. They screwed up the money supply.
Ok, I am not opposed to that point of view. I thought you were calling Hoover underrated.
Vegas
03-28-2007, 11:56 AM
Ok, I am not opposed to that point of view. I thought you were calling Hoover underrated.
Never said that and never thought that. The only president I mentioned in this thread as being underrated was Truman.
pnkpanther
03-28-2007, 12:02 PM
When did I say that Hoover was a good president?
And what really caused the great depression? It was the horrible policies and practices of the federal reserve. They screwed up the money supply.
unregulated banks, investor fraud, that had no effect?
Nixon's Head
03-28-2007, 12:04 PM
I'd say Richard Nixon was the most overrated and Harry Truman was the most underrated.Shenanigans I say.
Overrated, Grover Cleveland.
Underrated, Millard Fillmore.
pnkpanther
03-28-2007, 12:06 PM
Shenanigans I say.
Overrated, Grover Cleveland.
Underrated, Millard Fillmore.
millard fillmore?
big fan of his slave fugitive act?
Nixon's Head
03-28-2007, 12:08 PM
millard fillmore?
big fan of his slave fugitive act?Pure brilliance.
Reagan Smash
03-28-2007, 04:26 PM
The unemployment rate in 1938 was 19.0% of the total labor force, up 4.7% from 1937.
hannitykillspuppies
03-28-2007, 05:53 PM
The unemployment rate in 1938 was 19.0% of the total labor force, up 4.7% from 1937.
oh nevermind then, he was awful.
Reagan Smash
03-28-2007, 08:06 PM
oh nevermind then, he was awful.
I never said he was awful, I said he was overrated. People today put him up their with the legends, and he wasn't. He made plenty of mistakes. I have not even mentioned the fact that he refused to allow more Jews immigration into the United States before and during WWII even though it was well known what was facing them in Germany.
I never said he was awful, I said he was overrated. People today put him up their with the legends, and he wasn't. He made plenty of mistakes. I have not even mentioned the fact that he refused to allow more Jews immigration into the United States before and during WWII even though it was well known what was facing them in Germany.
I have a question about this.
It may just be the medium in which I received the info is wrong (TV).
but in band of brothers, easy company wanders in on a camp and they had no idea what was going on...didn't know it was the great purification...
so, did America know about the Holocaust before the war started, or did it become "well known" during or after the fact?
Vegas
03-28-2007, 08:16 PM
I have a question about this.
It may just be the medium in which I received the info is wrong (TV).
but in band of brothers, easy company wanders in on a camp and they had no idea what was going on...didn't know it was the great purification...
so, did America know about the Holocaust before the war started, or did it become "well known" during or after the fact?
That's a great question. I believe the answer is that they knew that it was going on, but had no idea of how bad it was. I could be wrong, though.
Reagan Smash
03-28-2007, 08:33 PM
I have a question about this.
It may just be the medium in which I received the info is wrong (TV).
but in band of brothers, easy company wanders in on a camp and they had no idea what was going on...didn't know it was the great purification...
so, did America know about the Holocaust before the war started, or did it become "well known" during or after the fact?
Absolutely. There were German intellectuals migrating into the US from 1937. People are supposed to believe that FDR knew about their secret atomic plans, but not about the wide open anti-jewish agenda that Nazi Germany was pushing.
pnkpanther
03-28-2007, 10:08 PM
I have a question about this.
It may just be the medium in which I received the info is wrong (TV).
but in band of brothers, easy company wanders in on a camp and they had no idea what was going on...didn't know it was the great purification...
so, did America know about the Holocaust before the war started, or did it become "well known" during or after the fact?
one of histories greatest lies is we didnt know
most of the jews werent rounded up by germans rather by local police of the invaded nation under instruction of the Germans...few resisted...few took the jews in....
The danes deported thousands of Jew's to Norway, one of few bright spots. Also germans tried trading lives of Jew's to Israel and that didnt work, the catholic church was also presented an offer to rescue jews but they declined.
The Nazi's also rounded up Homosexuals, blacks, and the mentally ill
Tom Joad
03-29-2007, 10:02 PM
The Nazi's also rounded up Homosexuals, blacks, and the mentally ill
And Catholics, Poles, Gypsies and the physically handicapped.
Tom Joad
03-29-2007, 10:05 PM
Underrated: Lyndon Johnson (domestic policy), Truman (foreign), John Adams
Overrated: Lyndon Johnson (foreign policy), JFK, Reagan, Truman (domestic)
FDR is my fave all-time but I chose to try and be as objective as possible.
Reagan Smash
03-29-2007, 10:07 PM
Underrated: Lyndon Johnson (domestic policy), Truman (foreign), John Adams
Overrated: Lyndon Johnson (foreign policy), JFK, Reagan, Truman (domestic)
FDR is my fave all-time but I chose to try and be as objective as possible.
Couldn't agree more about Truman.
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