Religulous

[residenceevil]

http://www.religulousmovie.net/

Anyone else excited to see this? I love me some crazy Religious people trying to explain their beliefs.

[Jiddy78]

I saw the commercial...My response was:

If Jesus looking guy is wrong...Nothing. Void. Nada.

If you're wrong Maher...Potentially burning in hell.

That's a pretty big difference.

[residenceevil]

I saw the commercial...My response was:

If Jesus looking guy is wrong...Nothing. Void. Nada.

If you're wrong Maher...Potentially burning in hell.

That's a pretty big difference.

From my understanding the movie covers more than just Christianity or Atheism....

[thrasymachus]

I saw the commercial...My response was:

If Jesus looking guy is wrong...Nothing. Void. Nada.

If you're wrong Maher...Potentially burning in hell.

That's a pretty big difference.
That sounds like you're talking about Pascal's Wager to me. Bad argument / poor reasoning.

[Hotpapa666]

I saw the commercial...My response was:

If Jesus looking guy is wrong...Nothing. Void. Nada.

If you're wrong Maher...Potentially burning in hell.

That's a pretty big difference.

These are not the words of a true believer my son. You must walk with the spirit of God in your heart at all times. You cannot hedge your bets. When god says it is ok for you to have your daughters raped, it is the word. When god commands you to stone your neighbors, it is the word.

All rejoice.

[Jiddy78]

From my understanding the movie covers more than just Christianity or Atheism....

Yes...but the two speaking were a Christian and an atheist.

[Jiddy78]

That sounds like you're talking about Pascal's Wager to me. Bad argument / poor reasoning.

Indeed...but I never posed the question in the first place...One reaps what they sow.

[Jiddy78]

These are not the words of a true believer my son. You must walk with the spirit of God in your heart at all times. You cannot hedge your bets. When god says it is ok for you to have your daughters raped, it is the word. When god commands you to stone your neighbors, it is the word.

All rejoice.

I'm not hedging a bet. God has never asked me to stone anybody, nor requested my nonexistent daughter's rape (wipes brow and exhales)...I just answered their questions for them. If you pronounce and proclaim stupidity to the masses, do not cry when the masses return said stupidity.

[ryr8828]

Maher is an asshole undeserving of taking air that good people could be breathing, and also an incurable liar.

I'll not watch anything that contributes to his coffers.

[Jiddy78]

Maher is an asshole undeserving of taking air that good people could be breathing, and also an incurable liar.

I'll not watch anything that contributes to his coffers.

Busting out c*nt AND saying another human being is not worthy of breathing air?

Obama must be winning. :eek:

[Roy Munson]

Maher is an asshole undeserving of taking air that good people could be breathing, and also an incurable liar.

I'll not watch anything that contributes to his coffers.
What exactly has he lied about?

[residenceevil]

So I saw the movie last weekend. We were surprised at how crowded the theater was. I hadn't seen any commercials or anything so I didn't figure people would have heard about it unless they watched his show. It wasn't sold out, but it was very crowded. Only seats left were up in the very front.

It was a good movie though. It was pretty funny. They did centralize more on Christianity and Judiasm. I thought it would cover more Religions but it did not. It was a nice hour and a half plus of comedy, but don't expect to come away with any new profound outlook on anything (not that I expected it).

[Ed Who?]

So I saw the movie last weekend. We were surprised at how crowded the theater was. I hadn't seen any commercials or anything so I didn't figure people would have heard about it unless they watched his show. It wasn't sold out, but it was very crowded. Only seats left were up in the very front.

It was a good movie though. It was pretty funny. They did centralize more on Christianity and Judiasm. I thought it would cover more Religions but it did not. It was a nice hour and a half plus of comedy, but don't expect to come away with any new profound outlook on anything (not that I expected it).

Obviously because the evil Christians and Jooooooos are the only ones that kill people.

[ryr8828]

So I saw the movie last weekend. We were surprised at how crowded the theater was. I hadn't seen any commercials or anything so I didn't figure people would have heard about it unless they watched his show. It wasn't sold out, but it was very crowded. Only seats left were up in the very front.

It was a good movie though. It was pretty funny. They did centralize more on Christianity and Judiasm. I thought it would cover more Religions but it did not. It was a nice hour and a half plus of comedy, but don't expect to come away with any new profound outlook on anything (not that I expected it).
Islam is the religion of the day, so no way they could criticize that.

Only the evil Christians and Jews.

[Fire Millen]

So I saw the movie last weekend. We were surprised at how crowded the theater was. I hadn't seen any commercials or anything so I didn't figure people would have heard about it unless they watched his show. It wasn't sold out, but it was very crowded. Only seats left were up in the very front.

It was a good movie though. It was pretty funny. They did centralize more on Christianity and Judiasm. I thought it would cover more Religions but it did not. It was a nice hour and a half plus of comedy, but don't expect to come away with any new profound outlook on anything (not that I expected it).


Why would he want to piss off the group that is gonna vote for Obama.


Plus you if make fun of Islam you better watch your back

Religon of peace my ass.

[Reagan Smash]

I'll take a guess at this movie. A smug Bill Maher finds a bunch of people, most of them lacking intelligence, to say crazy things about religion. Then he does a Michael Moorian job of splicing together clips to show how religion is bad, and they people who believe in religion are braying idiots or evil people. I'll save the 8 dollars and watch DC Cab instead.

[Jiddy78]

I'll take a guess at this movie. A smug Bill Maher finds a bunch of people, most of them lacking intelligence, to say crazy things about religion. Then he does a Michael Moorian job of splicing together clips to show how religion is bad, and they people who believe in religion are braying idiots or evil people. I'll save the 8 dollars and watch DC Cab instead.

DC Cab is the best movie ever....Well...Second only to The Last Dragon.

[pnkpanther]

Why would he want to piss off the group that is gonna vote for Obama.


Plus you if make fun of Islam you better watch your back

Religon of peace my ass.


There are christian terrorist groups too you know.....

[ryr8828]

There are christian terrorist groups too you know.....
That's an oxymoron.

[pnkpanther]

That's an oxymoron.

Army of God-USA, think it's ok to kill doctors who perform abortions and bombing planned parent hood clinics. John Britton, Barnett Slepian. Sent out letters threatening anthrax to 170 abortion clinics.

Clayton Waagner and Eric Rudolph-Christian terrorists who've bombed clinics through sothern part of the USA.

Christen Idenity Group-assoicated with several domestic terrorist, especially those who target homosexual groups and abortion clinics. Including above 2 mentioned

Aryan Nations-Sect of Idenity group. Hostile, racists. Carried out the los angeles jewish community center shootings. Shot 3 young boys, 2 female workers, and a fillipino postal worker in the area because he was around, not white, and a federal employee

Christrian Patriots-Timothy McVeigh, Remember him?

KKK-They tie their roots to christianity. Still active, still violent

International Groups

[ryr8828]

Army of God-USA, think it's ok to kill doctors who perform abortions and bombing planned parent hood clinics. John Britton, Barnett Slepian. Sent out letters threatening anthrax to 170 abortion clinics.

Clayton Waagner and Eric Rudolph-Christian terrorists who've bombed clinics through sothern part of the USA.

Christen Idenity Group-assoicated with several domestic terrorist, especially those who target homosexual groups and abortion clinics. Including above 2 mentioned

Aryan Nations-Sect of Idenity group. Hostile, racists. Carried out the los angeles jewish community center shootings. Shot 3 young boys, 2 female workers, and a fillipino postal worker in the area because he was around, not white, and a federal employee

Christrian Patriots-Timothy McVeigh, Remember him?

KKK-They tie their roots to christianity. Still active, still violent

International Groups

Blah blah blah.

I can call myself an astronaut,, that doesn't mean I am one.

[pnkpanther]

International Groups

National Liberation Front of Tripura-operate out of India, force local residents to give up beliefs in hindu faith....and by force, violent methods. Stated goal is to overthrow capatilisim and government and install a chrisitian theocracy

Guardians of the Cedars-
A good Palestinian is a dead Palestinian". is there motto. They're in Lebanon. Killed several in Sidon region

Lebanese forces-Active in civil war, contributed massacre of 700-3500

IRA-Irish Republic Army.

The Lord's Resistance Army, Uganda-displaced nearly 2 million people, killed 10,000. Kidnapped children and forced them into work of sex slaves

[pnkpanther]

Blah blah blah.

I can call myself an astronaut,, that doesn't mean I am one.

I see, so is it possible them that Islamic terrorists are not true muslims?

Quite a few muslims in the world. Most are not terrorists.

[hannitykillspuppies]

Blah blah blah.

I can call myself an astronaut,, that doesn't mean I am one.
well that clearly refutes what pnk has stated.

[ryr8828]

I see, so is it possible them that Islamic terrorists are not true muslims?

Quite a few muslims in the world. Most are not terrorists.

I never said that all Muslims were terrorists.

There seem to be a slew of them that are though.

You're probably right though, the evil Christians and Jews are probably more dangerous and should be eliminated from the face of the earth for opposing such wonderful things as homosexuality and abortion.

[hannitykillspuppies]

I never said that all Muslims were terrorists.

There seem to be a slew of them that are though.

You're probably right though, the evil Christians and Jews are probably more dangerous and should be eliminated from the face of the earth for opposing such wonderful things as homosexuality and abortion.hello strawman.

[pnkpanther]

I never said that all Muslims were terrorists.

There seem to be a slew of them that are though.

You're probably right though, the evil Christians and Jews are probably more dangerous and should be eliminated from the face of the earth for opposing such wonderful things as homosexuality and abortion.


Muslims oppose abortion and homosexuality as well.

Not at all, I am not pro mulsim, nor anti christian.

Radical muslim terrorist face a far greater threat to America. There are Christian groups that are threats in parts of the world as well.

Eventually Muslims and christians will have to come together and at least work out an understanding. Or kill each other until none of us our left or one is under the boot of the other.

.

[Jiddy78]

Looks like this thread got me a nasty pm. Who woulda thunkit, Bill Maher takes me down.

[KinjaKahn]

Eventually Muslims and christians will have to come together and at least work out an understanding.
Christians aka polytheists to muslims... are not to be muslims friends. business asociates sure.... friends no. It is illegal in many muslim countries to convert to christianity. Non muslims are not permitted in the cities of Mecca & Medina. The bible is not permitted in Saudi Arabia. Churches may not be built in many muslim nations. Lebanon & Syria are prime examples of christian nations who succumbed to Islam. Syria long ago... lebanon right before our eyes.

Or kill each other until none of us our left or one is under the boot of the other.

.
Which side do you prefer to win? lemme guess...

[KinjaKahn]

I would bet the the ratio between christian extremists and muslime extremists is at the very least about 50,000 muslimes to 1 christian.

[pnkpanther]

Christians aka polytheists to muslims... are not to be muslims friends. business asociates sure.... friends no. It is illegal in many muslim countries to convert to christianity. Non muslims are not permitted in the city of Mecca & Medina. The bible is not permitted in Saudi Arabia. Churches may not be built in many muslim nations. Lebanon & Syria are prime examples of christian nations who succumbed to Islam. Syria long ago... lebanon right before our eyes.


Which side do you prefer to win? lemme guess...

I understand all of that. I wasn't putting the onus solely on the christians.

"Win" I don't think either side will ever be able to claim victory.

[KinjaKahn]

I understand all of that. I wasn't putting the onus solely on the christians.

"Win" I don't think either side will ever be able to claim victory.

Wait until the next generation of byproduct biological weapons are developed by our fantastically shortsighted, amorally ignorant science industry.

[Ed Who?]

I would bet the the ratio between christian extremists and muslime extremists is at the very least about 50,000 muslimes to 1 christian.

Shhhh, that will get you on Obama's List Of Heads To Be Chopped™ once he institutes Sharia Law.

[residenceevil]

Soooo....no one else is going to go see Religious? Maybe rent it someday? Is it so bad to get another perspective on something besides your own? Is it so hard to question things?

Bill brings up several interesting points in the movie...especially the part about how there were/are several other religions that were around way before Jesus Christ, yet mysteriously mirror most everything Jesus did in the Bible....born on Dec 25, raised a dead guy, crucifixion, apostles....lots of coincidences if you ask me...

[Hotpapa666]

Soooo....no one else is going to go see Religious? Maybe rent it someday? Is it so bad to get another perspective on something besides your own? Is it so hard to question things?

Bill brings up several interesting points in the movie...especially the part about how there were/are several other religions that were around way before Jesus Christ, yet mysteriously mirror most everything Jesus did in the Bible....born on Dec 25, raised a dead guy, crucifixion, apostles....lots of coincidences if you ask me...

Questioning religion is one of the last taboos in American culture. Faithful people take it as an insult to have someone question their faith. By doing so, the person who questions their faith is often called a list of names, the most popular of which, lately has been, arrogant; I get called arrogant al the time...

Anyway, I would see the movie but it ain't gonna come here. Maybe I'll check it out when it comes out on DVD but I've read tons of books on the subject so it is unlikely that I will learn much.

BTW, I would watch the Ben Stein movie about the evils of science as well if it were to come or if I could find it on DVD. That movie looks fucking funny.

[LionFanFormerlyInLA]

Questioning religion is one of the last taboos in American culture. Faithful people take it as an insult to have someone question their faith. By doing so, the person who questions their faith is often called a list of names, the most popular of which, lately has been, arrogant; I get called arrogant al the time...

It is? It seems quite in vogue to bash any religion as ignorant, backwards and not understanding reality.

[Hotpapa666]

It is? It seems quite in vogue to bash any religion as ignorant, backwards and not understanding reality.

I think if you look at American society as a whole, Religion get's overwhelmingly positive exposure. From books, to magazines, to web-sites, to Radio, to TV, Religion is getting it's message out there much better than non-believers and controling the message. There are hundreds of religious themed books that are published in America every year, so many that they have dedicated book stores for them. Yet, when four books published in the last 5 years, and one movie come out tearing apart the tennets of religion, religious people and organizations protest as though they are being persecuted.

[LionFanFormerlyInLA]

I think if you look at American society as a whole, Religion get's overwhelmingly positive exposure. From books, to magazines, to web-sites, to Radio, to TV, Religion is getting it's message out there much better than non-believers and controling the message. There are hundreds of religious themed books that are published in America every year, so many that they have dedicated book stores for them. Yet, when four books published in the last 5 years, and one movie come out tearing apart the tennets of religion, religious people and organizations protest as though they are being persecuted.

Take a step back 10-15 years. There are still those same christian book stores (which I assume you are referring to) but Hollywood is starting to challenge religious beliefs (can't recall the specific title but something like The Temptation of Christ with Willem Dafoe). Go back 10-15 more years and you would see a lot more sensitivity to christian themes, not sure on the bookstore issue, but certainly no movies challenging the concept.

Now, its pretty much fine to bash christianity, though islam and judaism are off limits by the hollywood crowds. Certainly atheism has much more traction than it did 20 years ago.

I think there is more an atmosphere of challenging the established religions now moreso than for several centuries.

[Hotpapa666]

Take a step back 10-15 years. There are still those same christian book stores (which I assume you are referring to) but Hollywood is starting to challenge religious beliefs (can't recall the specific title but something like The Temptation of Christ with Willem Dafoe). Go back 10-15 more years and you would see a lot more sensitivity to christian themes, not sure on the bookstore issue, but certainly no movies challenging the concept.

Now, its pretty much fine to bash christianity, though islam and judaism are off limits by the hollywood crowds. Certainly atheism has much more traction than it did 20 years ago.

I think there is more an atmosphere of challenging the established religions now moreso than for several centuries.


You are talking about a tiny sliver of the total media. Yes, there have been a few movies in the past 10-15 years which haven't been 100% positive toward Christianity. But, the other side of the ledger, those movies that are 100% positive toward Christianity FAR out number them. These aren't the kinds of movies get theater releases, but they get much more exposure through Christian TV channels than any movie Bill Maher will ever be a part of will get.

The reaction by Christian organizations to these movies that don't threat Christianity in a 100% positive light is act as though Christianity is a victim of a society wide attack on their values. The notion is downright laughable.

[LionFanFormerlyInLA]

You are talking about a tiny sliver of the total media. Yes, there have been a few movies in the past 10-15 years which haven't been 100% positive toward Christianity. But, the other side of the ledger, those movies that are 100% positive toward Christianity FAR out number them. These aren't the kinds of movies get theater releases, but they get much more exposure through Christian TV channels than any movie Bill Maher will ever be a part of will get.

The reaction by Christian organizations to these movies that don't threat Christianity in a 100% positive light is act as though Christianity is a victim of a society wide attack on their values. The notion is downright laughable.

When 80% of your population claims to be Christian, then yes, challenges to what they believe are not going to be as well received. But it is certainly more acceptable now to do so than it was 10, 15 or 20 years ago. In fact, the number of people that claim to be Christian is down from 88% in 1991. So I do think it is more acceptable to question it now than it used to be.

[Hotpapa666]

When 80% of your population claims to be Christian, then yes, challenges to what they believe are not going to be as well received. But it is certainly more acceptable now to do so than it was 10, 15 or 20 years ago. In fact, the number of people that claim to be Christian is down from 88% in 1991. So I do think it is more acceptable to question it now than it used to be.

I guess this gets to the meat of the matter. To paraphrase Orwell, right and wrong is not a popularity contest. The questions themselves aren't wrong, looking at subjects in different ways is just that, a different perspective. If ideas are strong, they will stand-up to questioning. If we didn't question accepted ideas, we wouldn't have the modern world that we live in. Religion, dispite the fight put up by the other side, isn't immune from questioning and if it is REALLY legit., it will come out stonger...

[Jiddy78]

Questioning religion is one of the last taboos in American culture. Faithful people take it as an insult to have someone question their faith. By doing so, the person who questions their faith is often called a list of names, the most popular of which, lately has been, arrogant; I get called arrogant al the time...



That's funny...because I'm probably the only one in this thread that had somebody pm me informing me that:

(1) I have limited brain capacity

(2) I'm a "freakin psycho"

(3) I'm egotistical

(4) I'm a fuck face

So yeah...I, uh, agree with you. :rolleyes:

[Jiddy78]

I think if you look at American society as a whole, Religion get's overwhelmingly positive exposure. From books, to magazines, to web-sites, to Radio, to TV, Religion is getting it's message out there much better than non-believers and controling the message. There are hundreds of religious themed books that are published in America every year, so many that they have dedicated book stores for them. Yet, when four books published in the last 5 years, and one movie come out tearing apart the tennets of religion, religious people and organizations protest as though they are being persecuted.

My wife has a sh*t ton of books that both question religion and teach it...so unless she's cornered the market on the questioning ones...I'm guessing there is, in fact, a sh*t ton of them.

Ya know, there ARE more religious people...thus, one could conclude that with numbers comes more work....Not that big of a shocking revelation.

[Hotpapa666]

That's funny...because I'm probably the only one in this thread that had somebody pm me informing me that:

(1) I have limited brain capacity

(2) I'm a "freakin psycho"

(3) I'm egotistical

(4) I'm a fuck face

So yeah...I, uh, agree with you. :rolleyes:

I have no idea what you are talking about, or, what this crazy person who PMed you is thinking, either pro or con.

Most people around here don't fuck around with the PM system when calling me names, so maybe this person really respects you and calls you a fuck face in private to prove it...

[Jiddy78]

I have no idea what you are talking about, or, what this crazy person who PMed you is thinking, either pro or con.

Most people around here don't fuck around with the PM system when calling me names, so maybe this person really respects you and calls you a fuck face in private to prove it...

Fail.

[LionFanFormerlyInLA]

I guess this gets to the meat of the matter. To paraphrase Orwell, right and wrong is not a popularity contest. The questions themselves aren't wrong, looking at subjects in different ways is just that, a different perspective. If ideas are strong, they will stand-up to questioning. If we didn't question accepted ideas, we wouldn't have the modern world that we live in. Religion, dispite the fight put up by the other side, isn't immune from questioning and if it is REALLY legit., it will come out stonger...

I have no problem with challenging established beliefs and not giving a free ride to any theory or concept. It is one of the reasons I have such a problem with the media proclaiming things like global warming (especially man made) is fact when it actually is just a theory and not even a solid one at that.

[Hotpapa666]

Fail.

I guess you missed the joke.

I would use your little internet speak but it is pretty stupid.

[Jiddy78]

I guess you missed the joke.

I would use your little internet speak but it is pretty stupid.

http://azahar.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/lolcat-faith-heealer.jpg

[Hotpapa666]

I have no problem with challenging established beliefs and not giving a free ride to any theory or concept. It is one of the reasons I have such a problem with the media proclaiming things like global warming (especially man made) is fact when it actually is just a theory and not even a solid one at that.

That is the wonderful thing about science. Noone within the practice of science describes their work as truth.


Certain portions of the media may procliam globalwarming as truth, others portray the deeper more interesting definition, others procalim it is complete bullshit. There is spectrum of opinions. The real discussion is in the data. Since we are talking about Religion, there really isn't any data so...

[Morgasm]

That is the wonderful thing about science. Noone within the practice of science describes their work as truth.


Certain portions of the media may procliam globalwarming as truth, others portray the deeper more interesting definition, others procalim it is complete bullshit. There is spectrum of opinions. The real discussion is in the data. Since we are talking about Religion, there really isn't any data so...

Depends on how you define "data."

Scientifically, numbers and measurements, etc...

For "religious" people (such as myself), I consider plenty of things to be data that aren't necessarily quantifiable by science.

[residenceevil]

I think it's important to ask questions about the Truth of any Religion because I don't want to see Legislation passed simply because of any one Religion. I think it's important to understand this country is made up of all sorts of different Religious beliefs (or non-beliefs).

BTW, Judaism is criticized in the movie. So for whoever said it's taboo to criticize Judaism right now, Bill Maher wasn't paying attention. He attacks the entire Bible, not just the story of Jesus.

[Hotpapa666]

I think it's important to ask questions about the Truth of any Religion because I don't want to see Legislation passed simply because of any one Religion. I think it's important to understand this country is made up of all sorts of different Religious beliefs (or non-beliefs).

BTW, Judaism is criticized in the movie. So for whoever said it's taboo to criticize Judaism right now, Bill Maher wasn't paying attention. He attacks the entire Bible, not just the story of Jesus.

That's the rub, isn't it? I, for one, enjoy a good debate about any topic that interests me, art, wine, philosophy, MMAists, baseball,..., but, at the end of the day, reasonable minds can differ and we can all go on tolerating one another. However, when religion starts entering into policy, I have a problem, as well.

[giddyup4]

Whats funny is millions of people have died in the name of religion but yet religion is supposed to represent good. Talk about a oxymoron. People are idiots and are easily influenced, If you want to believe in whatever you want to believe in thats ok but dont try to jam your beliefs down my throat. Unfortunately this is going to be a never ending battle because of what i said earlier, people are idiots.

[LSU]

Whats funny is millions of people have died in the name of religion but yet religion is supposed to represent good. Talk about a oxymoron. People are idiots and are easily influenced, If you want to believe in whatever you want to believe in thats ok but dont try to jam your beliefs down my throat. Unfortunately this is going to be a never ending battle because of what i said earlier, people are idiots.


People dying for their beliefs and religion being good for people are mutually exclusive?

Quite a few people have died for country, too. Does that mean country is not good? I'm not talking about music. Everyone knows country music isn't good.

In fact, I'd probably put my life on the line for my daughter and various other family (some I'd think twice about). Is family bad?

[giddyup4]

People dying for their beliefs and religion being good for people are mutually exclusive?

Quite a few people have died for country, too. Does that mean country is not good? I'm not talking about music. Everyone knows country music isn't good.

In fact, I'd probably put my life on the line for my daughter and various other family (some I'd think twice about). Is family bad?

The point im making is just about religion. Yes, there are plenty of other topics to cover but in this thread im just focusing on religion. We can discuss country and family in another thread.

You can believe in whatever you want but just because you believe in it doesnt mean i have to. Again, im just pointing out the irony in it. Religion is supposed to represent peace, holiness etc.....and yet it has caused more blood shed and hate then practically anything else. Thats funny to me.

[LSU]

The point im making is just about religion. Yes, there are plenty of other topics to cover but in this thread im just focusing on religion. We can discuss country and family in another thread.

You can believe in whatever you want but just because you believe in it doesnt mean i have to. Again, im just pointing out the irony in it. Religion is supposed to represent peace, holiness etc.....and yet it has caused more blood shed and hate then practically anything else. Thats funny to me.


Yes, I'm making a point about religion, too.

Where in my post did I say you have to believe in what I do?

That's not irony.

Religion DOES represent peace, holiness, etc to MANY people. You just gloss over them so you can apply what some bad seeds do.

I'm glad you can take humor in bloodshed and hate, though.

[giddyup4]

Yes, I'm making a point about religion, too.

Where in my post did I say you have to believe in what I do?

That's not irony.

Religion DOES represent peace, holiness, etc to MANY people. You just gloss over them so you can apply what some bad seeds do.

I'm glad you can take humor in bloodshed and hate, though.

I did not say you specifically. It was meant as a generality. Seems ironic to me that religion represents all that is good but causes so much harm. Its not funny that people were tortured and killed but more so that people are idiots and dont have a clue.

[LSU]

I did not say you specifically. It was meant as a generality. Seems ironic to me that religion represents all that is good but causes so much harm. Its not funny that people were tortured and killed but more so that people are idiots and dont have a clue.


Well, you responded directly to my post and said "you" so you can see my confusion on that.

Again, that's not irony. Hypocrisy maybe. But you focus only on the harm. Religion doesn't do good? And do you not separate those doing good by religion and those doing bad by religion and acknowledge that the "bad" are probably just using religion to justify their F'd up ideas?

And why are religious people idiots that don't have a clue?

[giddyup4]

Well, you responded directly to my post and said "you" so you can see my confusion on that.

Again, that's not irony. Hypocrisy maybe. But you focus only on the harm. Religion doesn't do good? And do you not separate those doing good by religion and those doing bad by religion and acknowledge that the "bad" are probably just using religion to justify their F'd up ideas?

And why are religious people idiots that don't have a clue?

Understandable about my saying "you".

Does religion do good? Sure, in some aspects i suppose. But History has shown how in the name of religion people were butchered, tortured and killed. To me, thats not what religion should be involved in in any way shape or form.

Now that brings me to your question about religious people being idiots. Not all, but there are alot of religious people that think that their religion is the only religion to follow. In fact they believe so strongly in it that they will even kill for it. Thats idiotic. They make an idiotic claim that God wants them to do it or something along those lines. How in the fuck do they know what God wants them to do? IMO, I know in my heart that God wouldnt want them to kill out of malice. IMO, God wants us to find out who we truly are.

[LSU]

Understandable about my saying "you".

Does religion do good? Sure, in some aspects i suppose. But History has shown how in the name of religion people were butchered, tortured and killed. To me, thats not what religion should be involved in in any way shape or form.

Now that brings me to your question about religious people being idiots. Not all, but there are alot of religious people that think that their religion is the only religion to follow. In fact they believe so strongly in it that they will even kill for it. Thats idiotic. They make an idiotic claim that God wants them to do it or something along those lines. How in the fuck do they know what God wants them to do? IMO, I know in my heart that God wouldnt want them to kill out of malice. IMO, God wants us to find out who we truly are.

So, in other words, you only want to focus on the zealots and not really acknowledge those that do exactly what you think they should do with religion?

I don't think anyone denies there have been atrocities because of religion. There have also been atrocities without religion. Atrocities are created by man, not religion. Some men use religion to justify the atrocities they commit. That's not a negative aspect of religion, that's a negative aspect of man's bastardization of religion.

[giddyup4]

So, in other words, you only want to focus on the zealots and not really acknowledge those that do exactly what you think they should do with religion?

I don't think anyone denies there have been atrocities because of religion. There have also been atrocities without religion. Atrocities are created by man, not religion. Some men use religion to justify the atrocities they commit. That's not a negative aspect of religion, that's a negative aspect of man's bastardization of religion.

Man created religion and then uses it to cause atrocities. Why? Because man is evil. Why is man evil? One word-ego. We go through life blaming everyone and everything for our misery. Not all but most refuse to take ownership for the cause of their feelings.

Back to ego. ego=self centered, greed, anger etc etc......Now, man creates religion out of selfish reasons. Example- The priests are threatened by the preachings of Jesus so what do they do? They crucify him because he didnt follow along with their selfishness.

[LSU]

Man created religion and then uses it to cause atrocities. Why? Because man is evil. Why is man evil? One word-ego. We go through life blaming everyone and everything for our misery. Not all but most refuse to take ownership for the cause of their feelings.

Back to ego. ego=self centered, greed, anger etc etc......Now, man creates religion out of selfish reasons. Example- The priests are threatened by the preachings of Jesus so what do they do? They crucify him because he didnt follow along with their selfishness.


Jesus taught the word of God to cause atrocities and because of his ego?

Because you're applying your words to all of religion. You point out the priests that were threatened, but Jesus taught against everything you're putting onto religion... and that thing with Jesus is quite religious. In fact, it spawned a new religion. One that has undoubtedly been bastardized by some.

And, apparently, the crucifixion of Jesus is exactly what he was there for.

[giddyup4]

Jesus taught the word of God to cause atrocities and because of his ego?

Because you're applying your words to all of religion. You point out the priests that were threatened, but Jesus taught against everything you're putting onto religion... and that thing with Jesus is quite religious. In fact, it spawned a new religion. One that has undoubtedly been bastardized by some.

And, apparently, the crucifixion of Jesus is exactly what he was there for.


No, No, No. Maybe i confused you. Jesus was an enlightened individual that taught self observation can bring you into the kingdom of God. Jesus learned to let go of his ego and taught how to do it. Some understood, most didnt. The ones that didnt are the ones that felt threatened. Jesus was misunderstood even by his own followers.

[Jesse Helms' Ghost]

Carlin's take on 'religion'.


But he loves you....and he needs money!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

[Roy Munson]

I saw the commercial...My response was:

If Jesus looking guy is wrong...Nothing. Void. Nada.

If you're wrong Maher...Potentially burning in hell.

That's a pretty big difference.
As you can see from my signature, Jefferson thought otherwise...

[Roy Munson]

Obviously because the evil Christians and Jooooooos are the only ones that kill people.
He talks about Islam too. And those crazy mormons. Pretty much saying its all equally stupid.

[Roy Munson]

Questioning religion is one of the last taboos in American culture. Faithful people take it as an insult to have someone question their faith. By doing so, the person who questions their faith is often called a list of names, the most popular of which, lately has been, arrogant; I get called arrogant al the time...

Anyway, I would see the movie but it ain't gonna come here. Maybe I'll check it out when it comes out on DVD but I've read tons of books on the subject so it is unlikely that I will learn much.

BTW, I would watch the Ben Stein movie about the evils of science as well if it were to come or if I could find it on DVD. That movie looks fucking funny.
But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. - Jefferson...

[Roy Munson]

Finally watched this yesterday. Had to laugh that the beginning part was filmed in Raleigh.

Never knew too much about those crazy mormons, but I guess its not too much crazier than impregnated virgins and such...