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IBC
03-27-2007, 11:10 AM
Tillman’s family wants congressional probe
5 investigations after death, relatives accuse Pentagon of misleading them

SAN JOSE - Pat Tillman’s family firmly rejected the Defense Department’s findings into the former NFL star’s friendly-fire death in Afghanistan, calling for congressional investigations into what they see as broad malfeasance and a coverup.

“Perhaps subpoenas are necessary to elicit candor and accuracy from the military,” his family said in a statement Monday night, after hearing the results of the latest probes.

The men who shot Tillman have always claimed the April 22, 2004, incident was a terrible mistake in the fog of war, and the Army officially agreed Monday, declining to press charges.
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But possible punishments still hang over several high-ranking officers who allegedly botched the investigations and key administrative tasks.

Nine Army officers, including four generals, made errors in reporting the friendly fire death to their superiors and to the Tillman family, the Pentagon said. Defense officials said one or more of those officers who provided misleading information as the military investigated could be charged with a crime.

A central issue in the case is why the Army waited about five weeks from the time it suspected Tillman’s death was friendly fire until it told his family. Several officers have testified they wanted to wait until the early investigations were complete, but regulations required the Army to notify family members if friendly fire was even suspected.

‘Misleading testimony’
The latest investigation reserves its strongest criticism for Lt. Gen. Philip Kensinger, the now-retired three-star general who was in charge of Army special operations.

“We found compelling evidence that Kensinger learned of suspected fratricide well before the memorial service and provided misleading testimony” on that issue, the report said. That misrepresentation, the report said, could constitute a “false official statement,” a violation of the Military Code of Justice.

Because Kensinger is out of the military, it would be difficult to charge him criminally, however.

Acting Army Secretary Peter Geren asked Gen. William Wallace, who oversees training for the Army, to review the actions of the officers and to provide a progress report on possible punishments in 30 days.

“We as an Army failed in our duty to the Tillman family, the duty we owe to all the families of our fallen soldiers: Give them the truth, the best we know it, as fast as we can,” Geren told reporters at the Pentagon. “Our failure in fulfilling this duty brought discredit to the Army and compounded the grief suffered by the Tillman family. For that, on behalf of the Army, I apologize to the Tillman family.”

“The briefing we just received was shamefully unacceptable,” the family said in a statement issued from their home in San Jose, where Pat Tillman grew up. “Our family is therefore compelled to continue our (pursuit of) the full truth about the circumstances of Pat Tillman’s death and the so-called ’missteps’ and ’deficiencies’ of Pat’s unit, the Army, the Department of Defense, and this administration.”

Though dozens of soldiers knew quickly that Tillman had been killed by his fellow troops, the Army said initially that he was killed by enemy gunfire when he led his team to help another group of ambushed soldiers.

“We thought there was never an attempt to cover up what we saw,” Defense Department acting Inspector General Thomas F. Gimble said during a Pentagon briefing as the military released reports by the Army Criminal Investigation Command and by the inspector general.

Global attention
Tillman’s death received worldwide attention because he had walked away from a huge contract with the National Football League’s Arizona Cardinals to enlist in the Army after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The highest current ranking officer blamed in the incident is Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, commander of the Joint Special Operations Command. Investigators said he was “accountable for the inaccurate and misleading assertions” contained in papers recommending that Tillman get a Silver Star award.

The inspector general’s report also faulted Brig. Gen. Gary Jones and now-Brig. Gen. James C. Nixon.

Jones, now retired from the Army, led one of the previous Army investigations of the matter. The report faulted him for failing to address several issues in his probe.

It criticized Nixon, who was Tillman’s regimental commander, for failing to ensure that Tillman’s family was told that friendly fire was suspected. Nixon is now director of operations at the Center for Special Operations at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida.

Of the nine officers the military said would be “held accountable,” only the four generals — McChrystal, Kensinger, Nixon and Jones — are identified in the report. The names of the five others were blacked out because of the military’s privacy policy, said Gimble.

According to a comparison of the report with documents the AP has examined previously, two of them are then-Capt. Richard Scott, appointed to conduct the first investigation, and then-Lt. Col. Ralph Kauzlarich, who conducted the second.

The report blames both men for failing to visit the scene of the shooting, secure evidence, take photos, obtain measurements and interview all witnesses.

Also, then-Lt. Col. Jeff Bailey, the battalion commander who oversaw Tillman’s platoon, is held accountable for the “inaccurate award recommendation” that led to Tillman’s Silver Star. Bailey recommended Tillman for the award, officials told the AP.

The inspector general investigation recommended that the Army review its award of the Silver Star to Tillman, but Geren said the award would stand after the notation was changed.
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IBC
03-27-2007, 11:13 AM
Hannity, Coulter "don't believe" that Tillman liked Noam Chomsky, opposed Iraq war; Tillman's mother disagrees

On the September 27 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity and right-wing pundit Ann Coulter told co-host Alan Colmes that they "don't believe" a report that Army Ranger Pat Tillman was a fan of leftist author Noam Chomsky, opposed the Iraq war, and planned to vote for Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) in the 2004 presidential election. But according to a September 25 San Francisco Chronicle report that Colmes cited, Tillman's mother said that he had planned to meet privately with Chomsky and that "Pat was very critical of the whole Iraq war." Tillman, a former pro football star, served in Iraq before being killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan in April 2004.

Responding to Colmes's statement that Tillman "was a Noam Chomsky fan, was going to vote for John Kerry, was against the war in Iraq," Coulter insisted, "I don't believe it." Hannity concurred, saying, "I don't believe it either." After Colmes explained that Tillman reportedly supported the war in Afghanistan but opposed the war in Iraq, Coulter responded, "I think you got that from one of those documents Mary Mapes handed to Dan Rather" -- an apparent reference to CBS' controversial report on President Bush's National Guard service, which was produced by Mapes and relied in part on unauthenticated memos. However, the Chronicle article, which focused on the military's alleged efforts to conceal facts about Tillman's death, quoted Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, directly:

Mary Tillman said a friend of Pat's even arranged a private meeting with Chomsky, the anti-war author, to take place after his return from Afghanistan -- a meeting prevented by his death. She said that although he supported the Afghan war, believing it justified by the Sept. 11 attacks, "Pat was very critical of the whole Iraq war."

The Chronicle also quoted Spc. Russell Baer, who recalled a conversation he had with Tillman during the March 2003 invasion of Iraq. Baer told the Chronicle, "We were talking. And Pat said, 'You know, this war is so f------ illegal.' And we all said, 'Yeah.' That's who he was. He totally was against Bush." Additionally, the Chronicle quoted Senior Chief Petty Officer Stephen White, who "said Pat 'wasn't very fired up about being in Iraq' and instead wanted to go fight al Qaeda in Afghanistan."

In addition, the Chronicle cited an anonymous soldier who said Tillman had urged him to vote for Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.

From the September 27 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

COLMES: Now you say, for example, in "Rules to Talk to a Liberal" --

COULTER: Yes. Do you have -- is this from the new paperback [edition of How to Talk To a Liberal (If You Must): The World According to Ann Coulter]?

COLMES: Yes. "Never compliment a Democrat."

COULTER: Yes. That's an important one.

COLMES: "Never show graciousness toward a Democrat."

COULTER: Yes.

COLMES: "Never flatter a Democrat."

COULTER: Yes. I know they sound similar, but they're actually -- there are distinctions.

COLMES: Now you're also quoted in the San Francisco Chronicle yesterday --

COULTER: Excellent.

COLMES: -- in an article about Pat Tillman, who it is now said it was a Noam Chomsky fan, was going to vote for John Kerry, was against the war in Iraq. And you referred to him as "virtuous, pure, masculine like only an American male can be." I wonder if you still would say those things, knowing now what we have learned about Pat Tillman. He was a John Kerry supporter.

COULTER: Did you get that from a document from CBS News?

COLMES: No, but that's what you said, so I wondered if you would retract that, given what you say about liberals and Democrats.

COULTER: No. But I don't believe it.

HANNITY: I don't believe it either.

COLMES: He was going to meet Noam Chomsky when he -- had he come back.

HANNITY: He signed up because of a desire to fight.

COLMES: Against Afghanistan, not Iraq. He was against Iraq.

COULTER: I really don't believe that, and I think you got it from one of those documents Mary Mapes handed to Dan Rather.

COLMES: No, that's not true.

IBC
03-27-2007, 11:13 AM
However, Jessica Lynch, now that was a real story. What the hell is the matter with these people? Why do they continue to lie to us over and over again?

Jiddy78
03-27-2007, 11:46 AM
Hannity, Coulter "don't believe" that Tillman liked Noam Chomsky, opposed Iraq war; Tillman's mother disagrees

On the September 27 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity and right-wing pundit Ann Coulter told co-host Alan Colmes that they "don't believe" a report that Army Ranger Pat Tillman was a fan of leftist author Noam Chomsky, opposed the Iraq war, and planned to vote for Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) in the 2004 presidential election. But according to a September 25 San Francisco Chronicle report that Colmes cited, Tillman's mother said that he had planned to meet privately with Chomsky and that "Pat was very critical of the whole Iraq war." Tillman, a former pro football star, served in Iraq before being killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan in April 2004.

Responding to Colmes's statement that Tillman "was a Noam Chomsky fan, was going to vote for John Kerry, was against the war in Iraq," Coulter insisted, "I don't believe it." Hannity concurred, saying, "I don't believe it either." After Colmes explained that Tillman reportedly supported the war in Afghanistan but opposed the war in Iraq, Coulter responded, "I think you got that from one of those documents Mary Mapes handed to Dan Rather" -- an apparent reference to CBS' controversial report on President Bush's National Guard service, which was produced by Mapes and relied in part on unauthenticated memos. However, the Chronicle article, which focused on the military's alleged efforts to conceal facts about Tillman's death, quoted Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, directly:

Mary Tillman said a friend of Pat's even arranged a private meeting with Chomsky, the anti-war author, to take place after his return from Afghanistan -- a meeting prevented by his death. She said that although he supported the Afghan war, believing it justified by the Sept. 11 attacks, "Pat was very critical of the whole Iraq war."

The Chronicle also quoted Spc. Russell Baer, who recalled a conversation he had with Tillman during the March 2003 invasion of Iraq. Baer told the Chronicle, "We were talking. And Pat said, 'You know, this war is so f------ illegal.' And we all said, 'Yeah.' That's who he was. He totally was against Bush." Additionally, the Chronicle quoted Senior Chief Petty Officer Stephen White, who "said Pat 'wasn't very fired up about being in Iraq' and instead wanted to go fight al Qaeda in Afghanistan."

In addition, the Chronicle cited an anonymous soldier who said Tillman had urged him to vote for Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.

From the September 27 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

COLMES: Now you say, for example, in "Rules to Talk to a Liberal" --

COULTER: Yes. Do you have -- is this from the new paperback [edition of How to Talk To a Liberal (If You Must): The World According to Ann Coulter]?

COLMES: Yes. "Never compliment a Democrat."

COULTER: Yes. That's an important one.

COLMES: "Never show graciousness toward a Democrat."

COULTER: Yes.

COLMES: "Never flatter a Democrat."

COULTER: Yes. I know they sound similar, but they're actually -- there are distinctions.

COLMES: Now you're also quoted in the San Francisco Chronicle yesterday --

COULTER: Excellent.

COLMES: -- in an article about Pat Tillman, who it is now said it was a Noam Chomsky fan, was going to vote for John Kerry, was against the war in Iraq. And you referred to him as "virtuous, pure, masculine like only an American male can be." I wonder if you still would say those things, knowing now what we have learned about Pat Tillman. He was a John Kerry supporter.

COULTER: Did you get that from a document from CBS News?

COLMES: No, but that's what you said, so I wondered if you would retract that, given what you say about liberals and Democrats.

COULTER: No. But I don't believe it.

HANNITY: I don't believe it either.

COLMES: He was going to meet Noam Chomsky when he -- had he come back.

HANNITY: He signed up because of a desire to fight.

COLMES: Against Afghanistan, not Iraq. He was against Iraq.

COULTER: I really don't believe that, and I think you got it from one of those documents Mary Mapes handed to Dan Rather.

COLMES: No, that's not true.

Denial is the media's way of saying "Hey look, this isn't what we want them to hear...Must infuse doubt."

Yeah, but, his MOM said it. I don't care. I don't believe you....Well, his BUDDY said it too...Um, remember that time when y'all f*cked up that report...............


News is noise.

IBC
03-27-2007, 12:00 PM
Denial is the media's way of saying "Hey look, this isn't what we want them to hear...Must infuse doubt."

Yeah, but, his MOM said it. I don't care. I don't believe you....Well, his BUDDY said it too...Um, remember that time when y'all f*cked up that report...............


News is noise.
Well, it is too bad that report on Bush was wrong. How was his service anyway?

LSU
03-27-2007, 12:13 PM
I think it's safe to say that Sean and Ann know Pat much better than his mother or a fellow soldier. They're nothing if they're not objective.

Jiddy78
03-27-2007, 12:14 PM
I think it's safe to say that Sean and Ann know Pat much better than his mother or a fellow soldier. They're nothing if they're not objective.

Welp, there goes the neighborhood.

LSU
03-27-2007, 12:16 PM
Welp, there goes the neighborhood.



HEY HEY HEY!

Sean Hannity is one of the biggest patriots out there!

You know how I know this? HE said so himself.

IBC
03-27-2007, 12:26 PM
HEY HEY HEY!

Sean Hannity is one of the biggest patriots out there!

You know how I know this? HE said so himself.
Well him and Tillman were very close, along with (M)Ann Coulter. He told them he loved GW and the Iraq war, even though he told his mom the opposite.

LSU
03-27-2007, 12:29 PM
Well him and Tillman were very close, along with (M)Ann Coulter. He told them he loved GW and the Iraq war, even though he told his mom the opposite.


Moms have an agenda.


Unlike patriots such as Coulter and Hannity. Or Hannilter.

IBC
03-27-2007, 12:34 PM
Moms have an agenda.



Why does she hate the troops and America?

hannitykillspuppies
03-27-2007, 01:26 PM
hannity would have served in the military if it weren't for that damn height requirement.

Reagan Smash
03-27-2007, 01:33 PM
Why does she hate the troops and America?

Pink down to her underwear