If

[swordfish]

If a scientist could take an egg and sperm. Join them in a lab. Then using technology incubate that human and raise it without a mother. When did it's life start? Did it start when the egg and cell reacted to form human DNA or did it come to life at some secret time when it could function without life support. If you choose the latter does this mean that someone on life support is not alive?

Flame on.

[LSU]

If a scientist could take an egg and sperm. Join them in a lab. Then using technology incubate that human and raise it without a mother. When did it's life start? Did it start when the egg and cell reacted to form human DNA or did it come to life at some secret time when it could function without life support. If you choose the latter does this mean that someone on life support is not alive?

Flame on.


Sure it's alive. But that doesn't mean it's viable.

[KinjaKahn]

Sure it's alive. But that doesn't mean it's viable.
Would you eat one, live on TV, for $30,000.00 cash?

[LSU]

Would you eat one, live on TV, for $30,000.00 cash?


One what?


Likely answer is "no."

But I'm sure you've got some twist on it that no one will get that will allow you to claim intellectual dominance...

so go for it.

[KinjaKahn]

One what?


Likely answer is "no."

But I'm sure you've got some twist on it that no one will get that will allow you to claim intellectual dominance...

so go for it.
No twist just cells right? Like chicken cells, beef cells, pork cells ... yum yum...

[LSU]

No twist just cells right? Like chicken cells, beef cells, pork cells ... yum yum...


Oh, you're trying to twist already.

Where did I say "just cells"? I didn't. But you already knew that, I'm sure.

As it were, I don't eat beef or pork embryos, either. At least to my knowledge. Maybe a chicken. However, I've never cared enough to look to see if the chicken eggs we eat are fertilized or unfertilized. So that door is still open, I guess.

[KinjaKahn]

Oh, you're trying to twist already.

Where did I say "just cells"? I didn't. But you already knew that, I'm sure.

As it were, I don't eat beef or pork embryos, either. At least to my knowledge. Maybe a chicken. However, I've never cared enough to look to see if the chicken eggs we eat are fertilized or unfertilized. So that door is still open, I guess.
Come off the fence.

[LSU]

Come off the fence.



Just because you put an imaginary fence underneath me doesn't mean there's one actually there.

[KinjaKahn]

Just because you put an imaginary fence underneath me doesn't mean there's one actually there.
lol

[Hotpapa666]

Oh, you're trying to twist already.

Where did I say "just cells"? I didn't. But you already knew that, I'm sure.

As it were, I don't eat beef or pork embryos, either. At least to my knowledge. Maybe a chicken. However, I've never cared enough to look to see if the chicken eggs we eat are fertilized or unfertilized. So that door is still open, I guess.

Unfertilized, unless you buy them from a free range farm and even then, likely unfertilzed.

I bought a chicken at a farmers market once, had the guy kill it on the spot and I took it home to clean it. Amoung the organs there was an egg forming body that looked kinda like mother of pearl, it was pretty cool. And, along the reporductive tract (?) there were little yolks cruising along...


To answer the original question life begins at conception.

[KinjaKahn]

To answer the original question life begins at conception.
You aren't so bad.

[swordfish]

You aren't so bad.

He shoots, he scores!

[Roy Munson]

One what?


Likely answer is "no."

But I'm sure you've got some twist on it that no one will get that will allow you to claim intellectual dominance...

so go for it.

The sun is powerful...

[Roy Munson]

If you choose the latter does this mean that someone on life support is not alive?


artificial life. You can beat the heart hand pump the lungs of any recently dead person and it doesn't make them living again. Just because blood receives oxygen it doesn't mean that a life has been preserved. Life requires not only physical means of life, but also mental function as well.

[fahvra]

Would you eat one, live on TV, for $30,000.00 cash?


sign me up.

[swordfish]

artificial life. You can beat the heart hand pump the lungs of any recently dead person and it doesn't make them living again. Just because blood receives oxygen it doesn't mean that a life has been preserved. Life requires not only physical means of life, but also mental function as well.

So nobody on life support got better and was able to wake up? Interesting.

[Reagan Smash]

I think they did this once. Trying to create some Super man. I forget what they called him however, but I know millions looked up to him because of the great fiction writers made him such a hero.


http://nicklevay.net/misc/memeimages/001/obama-superman.jpg

[Roy Munson]

So nobody on life support got better and was able to wake up? Interesting.
That isn't even close to what I said.

[residenceevil]

When cell and egg meet, but I'm still for Women's rights to choose.

[KinjaKahn]

When cell and egg meet, but I'm still for Women's rights to choose.
What about the father's rights?

[residenceevil]

What about the father's rights?

The father doesn't have to carry it and go through the whole pregnancy thing.

Maybe I should put a disclaimer. I'm not for abortion as a birth control method. I don't think people should be using it as such. However, I believe there are instances when a woman should have the right to choose to have a baby or not (e.g. a 16 year old rape victim should not have to bear the burden of an unwanted child).

[Roy Munson]

The father doesn't have to carry it and go through the whole pregnancy thing.

Maybe I should put a disclaimer. I'm not for abortion as a birth control method. I don't think people should be using it as such. However, I believe there are instances when a woman should have the right to choose to have a baby or not (e.g. a 16 year old rape victim should not have to bear the burden of an unwanted child).
I want Kinja to personally ask these women to carry a child of a man that just raped them, then we'll see how he feels.

[KinjaKahn]

I want Kinja to personally ask these women to carry a child of a man that just raped them, then we'll see how he feels.
Are you responsible for the crimes of your father, if he kills someone do you get the prison time or death penalty?

[Roy Munson]

Are you responsible for the crimes of your father, if he kills someone do you get the prison time or death penalty?
Did his crime create me?

[KinjaKahn]

The father doesn't have to carry it and go through the whole pregnancy thing.
The 9 months for the woman, is voluntary, as the abortion laws allow her a choice. While the father is responsible for 18 years of involuntary support, under the threat of jail.

Maybe I should put a disclaimer. I'm not for abortion as a birth control method. I don't think people should be using it as such. However, I believe there are instances when a woman should have the right to choose to have a baby or not (e.g. a 16 year old rape victim should not have to bear the burden of an unwanted child).
So does this mean you are for limitations on the current abortion on demand mentality? If rape is allowed to be a prerequisite for abortion, rape statistics will skyrocket.

[Roy Munson]

The 9 months for the woman, is voluntary, as the abortion laws allow her a choice. While the father is responsible for 18 years of involuntary support, under the threat of jail.

So you'd be ok with abortion if the father had the choice as well?

[KinjaKahn]

Did his crime create me?
Cart before the horse. Again. The current laws do not punish relatives of the criminal.

[Morgasm]

How about we let the baby decide if he/she wants to live or die?

[KinjaKahn]

So you'd be ok with abortion if the father had the choice as well?
No, but taking baby steps towards the goal of banning all abortions is tolerable.

[pnkpanther]

The father doesn't have to carry it and go through the whole pregnancy thing.

Maybe I should put a disclaimer. I'm not for abortion as a birth control method. I don't think people should be using it as such. However, I believe there are instances when a woman should have the right to choose to have a baby or not (e.g. a 16 year old rape victim should not have to bear the burden of an unwanted child).

conservatives like Kinja paint being pro choice as pro abortion. Pro choicers walk around with coat hangers just in case in his eyes.

[pnkpanther]

No, but taking baby steps towards the goal of banning all abortions is tolerable.

glad to know you're our moral authority.

[Morgasm]

conservatives like Kinja paint being pro choice as pro abortion. Pro choicers walk around with coat hangers just in case in his eyes.

There are plenty of people who consider "pro choice" as giving parents an option to murder a child. People like myself who consider a child to be born at the moment of conception.

We don't have laws that say "It's OK for you to choose to murder someone."

[pnkpanther]

There are plenty of people who consider "pro choice" as giving parents an option to murder a child. People like myself who consider a child to be born at the moment of conception.

We don't have laws that say "It's OK for you to choose to murder someone."

I understand that.

But being prochoice doesnt mean proabortion...........

and why should your definition be everyones?

it's a moral decision, do you want to be able to make it? or have the government make it for you?

[Roy Munson]

Cart before the horse. Again. The current laws do not punish relatives of the criminal.
It would seem that by current law comparing an adult to an unborn child isn't valid.

[Roy Munson]

I understand that.

But being prochoice doesnt mean proabortion...........

and why should your definition be everyones?

it's a moral decision, do you want to be able to make it? or have the government make it for you?
They make it now with the death penalty.

[Roy Munson]

How about we let the baby decide if he/she wants to live or die?
glug glug glug...

[Morgasm]

I understand that.

But being prochoice doesnt mean proabortion...........

and why should your definition be everyones?

it's a moral decision, do you want to be able to make it? or have the government make it for you?

I think the government should make it illegal, just like murder is illegal. I don't see a difference between the two.

I understand there are a lot of extenuating and trying circumstances that surround this issue, and I'm not trying to tout my definitions around.

I just think that this is often an overlooked argument that many pro-lifers don't get credit for. They think that we're removing the choice from the woman, which isn't true. We just want to make it illegal to make that choice because we feel ending another's life is wrong.

[pnkpanther]

I think the government should make it illegal, just like murder is illegal. I don't see a difference between the two.

I understand there are a lot of extenuating and trying circumstances that surround this issue, and I'm not trying to tout my definitions around.

I just think that this is often an overlooked argument that many pro-lifers don't get credit for. They think that we're removing the choice from the woman, which isn't true. We just want to make it illegal to make that choice because we feel ending another's life is wrong.

but you're defining life at other points then others.

the bible indicates life begins when the baby draws its first breath. Punishment for injuring a pregnant woman that causes her to lose the baby only results in a fine of a few sheckels.

[KinjaKahn]

conservatives like Kinja paint being pro choice as pro abortion. Pro choicers walk around with coat hangers just in case in his eyes.

I am against rape but it's ok if you do it.
I am against murder but it's ok if you do it.
I am against stealing but its ok if you do it.

[pnkpanther]

I am against rape but it's ok if you do it.
I am against murder but it's ok if you do it.
I am against stealing but its ok if you do it.

I'm not ok with anyone doing it.

[Morgasm]

but you're defining life at other points then others.

the bible indicates life begins when the baby draws its first breath. Punishment for injuring a pregnant woman that causes her to lose the baby only results in a fine of a few sheckels.

I realize my definitions are different. Someone could kill me today and say- "I didn't consider him a living being." Doesn't make it right.

Watch out with your biblical references... Psalm 139:13

For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.

14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.

15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

[pnkpanther]

I realize my definitions are different. Someone could kill me today and say- "I didn't consider him a living being." Doesn't make it right.

Watch out with your biblical references... Psalm 139:13

For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.

14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.

15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

ahh, start from Falwell himself.

Where in there does it say life begins at conception?

I dont think anyone would argue you're not living, I'd say that's pretty, well, not an effective argument.

why does the bible, which teaches eye for an eye, etc, only warrant a penalty of a few sheckel's of silver if you beat a woman and cause her to miscarriage?

[KinjaKahn]

I'm not ok with anyone doing it.
Personally your against abortion but its ok for others to do it?

[KinjaKahn]

ahh, start from Falwell himself.

Where in there does it say life begins at conception?

I dont think anyone would argue you're not living, I'd say that's pretty, well, not an effective argument.

why does the bible, which teaches eye for an eye, etc, only warrant a penalty of a few sheckel's of silver if you beat a woman and cause her to miscarriage?
How about you stop paraphrasing the bible and actually quote it.

[Morgasm]

ahh, start from Falwell himself.

Where in there does it say life begins at conception?

I dont think anyone would argue you're not living, I'd say that's pretty, well, not an effective argument.

why does the bible, which teaches eye for an eye, etc, only warrant a penalty of a few sheckel's of silver if you beat a woman and cause her to miscarriage?

I'm not saying that passage was proof of anything. I think it's hard to make a definitive interpretation of when life begins by using any Biblical reference. As quick as you had one, I had one saying the opposite. Especially using the Old Testament.

Please don't compare me to Falwell.

[pnkpanther]

I'm not saying that passage was proof of anything. I think it's hard to make a definitive interpretation of when life begins by using any Biblical reference. As quick as you had one, I had one saying the opposite. Especially using the Old Testament.

Please don't compare me to Falwell.

wasn't trying to compare you...but that is the pasage he uses all the time.

[pnkpanther]

How about you stop paraphrasing the bible and actually quote it.

Genesis 2:7

then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life

I will get other exact quotes if you wish later.

[KinjaKahn]

Genesis 2:7

then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life

I will get other exact quotes if you wish later.

Clue: This does not deal with a womb.

[Morgasm]

BTW- I'm really only offering up my personal belief to this simply to say that many people who are pro-life don't feel like they are taking away a woman's right or stripping them of a choice. The belief is that the choice doesn't belong to the woman in the first place.

We could argue this point about personal positions on abortion forever, and I doubt any of us would change our minds. But as a pro-life person myself, I am often discredited for not taking into account the choice of a mother. I just don't think the choice is there to take away.

[pnkpanther]

BTW- I'm really only offering up my personal belief to this simply to say that many people who are pro-life don't feel like they are taking away a woman's right or stripping them of a choice. The belief is that the choice doesn't belong to the woman in the first place.

We could argue this point about personal positions on abortion forever, and I doubt any of us would change our minds. But as a pro-life person myself, I am often discredited for not taking into account the choice of a mother. I just don't think the choice is there to take away.

true, we'll never agree nor change mind

that relates to 99% of whats said on here....

[Roy Munson]

Personally your against abortion but its ok for others to do it?
nothing like trying to control people, right?

[pnkpanther]

Clue: This does not deal with a womb.

gee thanks, i couldn't tell.

but sounds like everything else of him was complete, but he wasn't alive until the breath of life entered his body.......

then again, I dont believe the world is only six thousand years old, a man lived inside a whale, and a 500 year old man and his sons built a boat and put 2 of every animal on it...

[KinjaKahn]

nothing like trying to control people, right?
The Law controls people?

[Morgasm]

true, we'll never agree nor change mind

that relates to 99% of whats said on here....

It's fun trying sometimes though.

[KinjaKahn]

gee thanks, i couldn't tell.



If you could tell why would you even try to pass it off as valid in this context?

[hannitykillspuppies]

If you could tell why would you even try to pass it off as valid in this context?

because it said he wasn't alive until he took his lips took their first breathe.

clue: you don't breathe in the womb.

[pnkpanther]

If you could tell why would you even try to pass it off as valid in this context?

I'm not sure why I even bother responding to you anyways.

[KinjaKahn]

because it said he wasn't alive until he took his lips took their first breathe.

clue: you don't breathe in the womb.
Clue: Adam was not born from a womb. Nor was Eve.

[KinjaKahn]

I'm not sure why I even bother responding to you anyways.
Probably from the intense desire to prove you are not stupid, which you fail at consistently.

[hannitykillspuppies]

Clue: Adam was not born from a womb. Nor was Eve.clue: no one said they were.

[hannitykillspuppies]

Probably from the intense desire to prove you are not stupid, which you fail at consistently.

well to be fair, who isn't stupid when compared to you?

[KinjaKahn]

well to be fair, who isn't stupid when compared to you?
They number in the millions... Whereas for you they probably number in the Billions.

[hannitykillspuppies]

They number in the millions... Whereas for you they probably number in the Billions.

they've cloned you billions of times?

[KinjaKahn]

they've cloned you billions of times?
If they did the world will be a much better place.

[Roy Munson]

The Law controls people?
in a way, sure, but thats not what your post said.

[Roy Munson]

If they did the world will be a much better place.
that'd be one bad sausage party...

[hannitykillspuppies]

that'd be one bad sausage party...for the little boys.

[pnkpanther]

Probably from the intense desire to prove you are not stupid, which you fail at consistently.

Yeah, thats it.

Maybe if I was more obtuse

[KinjaKahn]

that'd be one bad sausage party...
Funny how that's what comes to your mind...

[hannitykillspuppies]

Yeah, thats it.

Maybe if I was more obtuse
http://www.scene-stealers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/shawshank38.jpeg

[hannitykillspuppies]

Funny how that's what comes to your mind...
i think he was referencing your participation in nambla.

[KinjaKahn]

i think he was referencing your participation in nambla.
I doubt it, I am confident he was licking his lips at the thought of a billion identical cocks, even though he knows his lips wouldn't be eligible...

[KinjaKahn]

clue: no one said they were.
Clue: The context of the thread is abortion, meaning the removal of a living child from its mothers womb in hopes of causing it's death.

You cite God breathing life into Adam, a man created as a man from dust...

[pnkpanther]

I doubt it, I am confident he was licking his lips at the thought of a billion identical cocks, even though he knows his lips wouldn't be eligible...

sure are obsessed with gays.

let it out Kinja..let it out

[KinjaKahn]

sure are obsessed with gays.

let it out Kinja..let it out
I am not the one to bring it up. Follow along.

[hannitykillspuppies]

I am not the one to bring it up. Follow along.
you lead the world in nambla references. it's ok, god will forgive if you truly repent.

[Roy Munson]

Funny how that's what comes to your mind...
I thought of millions of guys standing in a room with no women, it took you to make it gay.

[hannitykillspuppies]

Clue: The context of the thread is abortion, meaning the removal of a living child from its mothers womb in hopes of causing it's death.

You cite God breathing life into Adam, a man created as a man from dust...
clue: the context of the thread is when life begins.

[Hotpapa666]

Clue: The context of the thread is abortion, meaning the removal of a living child from its mothers womb in hopes of causing it's death.

You cite God breathing life into Adam, a man created as a man from dust...

You have your terminology all wrong. Here are the terms, zygote, morula, blastocyst, after implantation, embryo, then fetus. Afer birth it is a child.

[KinjaKahn]

You have your terminology all wrong. Here are the terms, zygote, morula, blastocyst, after implantation, embryo, then fetus. Afer birth it is a child.
Heres a term for you... pregnancy. Know what the purpose of it is? Know whats growing inside a womb during pregnancy?

[KinjaKahn]

clue: the context of the thread is when life begins.

And what topics covered here have something to do with the beginning of a life? Need help on that one don't ya?

[Hotpapa666]

Heres a term for you... pregnancy. Know what the purpose of it is? Know whats growing inside a womb during pregnancy?


Yes, see post #79, I was telling you what grows in a woman during pregnancy.

[KinjaKahn]

You have your terminology all wrong. Here are the terms, zygote, morula, blastocyst, after implantation, embryo, then fetus. Afer birth it is a child.
hmmmm Do ya, I say Do ya think... there is a catch all term for all of those. Or is it your belief that all these "terms" (zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo, fetus) are seperate and genetically distinct entities?

To add a smidgen of knowledge... and to correct your blatant error... an embryo need not be "implanted" to be an embryo... as there is not a uterus in the petri dish.

Yes, see post #79, I was telling you what grows in a woman during pregnancy.

It's rather alarming that someone as intelligent as you seem, can be so dumb. I have no choice but to blame your parents for your shortcoming. Someone should have pointed out to you somewhere along the line, that these "terms" are little more than stages in the development of a singular "what". Seems you do not have a clue about what "what" is. Or perhaps it's just a case of selective stupidity?

[Hotpapa666]

hmmmm Do ya, I say Do ya think... there is a catch all term for all of those. Or is it your belief that all these "terms" (zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo, fetus) are seperate and genetically distinct entities?

To add a smidgen of knowledge... and to correct your blatant error... an embryo need not be "implanted" to be an embryo... as there is not a uterus in the petri dish.



It's rather alarming that someone as intelligent as you seem, can be so dumb. I have no choice but to blame your parents for your shortcoming. Someone should have pointed out to you somewhere along the line, that these "terms" are little more than stages in the development of a singular "what". Seems you do not have a clue about what "what" is. Or perhaps it's just a case of selective stupidity?

No, Fog Horn Leg Horn, I don't. There is a reason there are different terms: different things are going on developmentally.

I'm going by the classic developmental terms that I learned back in biology class, if you want to broaden the term embryo for your use, I have no problem with that. Calling it a baby shows a glaring lack of understanding of development, however.

Then, you end with more blather, turning a discussion about development in a personal attack on me and my parents. Nice attempt to piss me off. Keep in mind that a faith driven dogma spewing zealot like yourself can't make me angry. Look at me getting all personal now. I say, I say, that was kinda fun, Boyai.

[KinjaKahn]

No, Fog Horn Leg Horn, I don't. There is a reason there are different terms: different things are going on developmentally.

I'm going by the classic developmental terms that I learned back in biology class, if you want to broaden the term embryo for your use, I have no problem with that. Calling it a baby shows a glaring lack of understanding of development, however.

Then, you end with more blather, turning a discussion about development in a personal attack on me and my parents. Nice attempt to piss me off. Keep in mind that a faith driven dogma spewing zealot like yourself can't make me angry. Look at me getting all personal now. I say, I say, that was kinda fun, Boyai.
So "what" is developing?

[Morgasm]

Isn't the fact that an embryo develops enough to consider it "alive"? There are cells multiplying at an astonishing rate.

[KinjaKahn]

Isn't the fact that an embryo develops enough to consider it "alive"? There are cells multiplying at an astonishing rate.

Some people live in denial about what is taking place. Others have no issue killing, provided there are absolutely no repercussions, and they get paid to do it. Even more gullible spinning dizzy drones support the free wheeling slaughter and don't get paid.

[Hotpapa666]

Isn't the fact that an embryo develops enough to consider it "alive"? There are cells multiplying at an astonishing rate.

Noone in this thread has said that what's there isn't alive.

[Hotpapa666]

So "what" is developing?

See post #79.

[KinjaKahn]

See post #79.rofl

[Hotpapa666]

rofl

If think that's funny you would love an anatomy class. Nomenclature from here to next week to laugh at.

[KinjaKahn]

If think that's funny you would love an anatomy class. Nomenclature from here to next week to laugh at.
Anatomy of "what"?

[Hotpapa666]

Anatomy of "what"?

I was thinking human anatomy but with your atitutude toward nomiclature in general you would laugh off just about anatomy.

[KinjaKahn]

I was thinking human anatomy but with your atitutude toward nomiclature in general you would laugh off just about anatomy.
A human! wow was that so fucking hard to admit? Now why do you feel its ok to slaughter humans in their most defenseless condition? Is it a secret Bundy/Dahmer thing you have burning within?

[Hotpapa666]

A human! wow was that so fucking hard to admit? Now why do you feel its ok to slaughter humans in their most defenseless condition? Is it a secret Bundy/Dahmer thing you have burning within?

Here comes more religious drivel from you. You come in here and spew the party line from your loathsome, child raping religion and try to enflame emotions on a non-issue. I suspect you and your church are only interested in the issue because you want more children to be born to be raped by your Clergy.

The fact is that when abortion is legal the embryo isn't viable.

[KinjaKahn]

Here comes more religious drivel from you. You come in here and spew the party line from your loathsome, child raping religion and try to enflame emotions on a non-issue. I suspect you and your church are only interested in the issue because you want more children to be born to be raped by your Clergy.

The fact is that when abortion is legal the embryo isn't viable.

Rofl... Whatever you say Jeffrey. I suppose in your case, abortion does give you that fix, and your blood lust is kept at bay with your butcher knife, bullets and bricks on hold, away from the playgrounds.

[Hotpapa666]

Rofl... Whatever you say Jeffrey. I suppose in your case, abortion does give you that fix, and your blood lust is kept at bay with your butcher knife, bullets and bricks on hold, away from the playgrounds.

You are complete wrong about me. But don't let that stop you from spewing more of the Child Rape Church, I mean, Catholic Church party line.

But you are free to go whorship at the alter of the church that knowingly moved Priests (the guy who speaks on our behalf to God) who were/are child rapists from parish to parish to rape more children. And keep believing that your church cares about children.

[KinjaKahn]

You are complete wrong about me. But don't let that stop you from spewing more of the Child Rape Church, I mean, Catholic Church party line.

But you are free to go whorship at the alter of the church that knowingly moved Priests (the guy who speaks on our behalf to God) who were/are child rapists from parish to parish to rape more children. And keep believing that your church cares about children.

ROFL... Jeffrey, does the blood lust permeate other areas of your life? Do you desire to kill small animals too or is your kink just killing small defenseless people?

[Reagan Smash]

ROFL... Jeffrey, does the blood lust permeate other areas of your life? Do you desire to kill small animals too or is your kink just killing small defenseless people?

Do you really believe that anyone in favor of abortion has a secret blood lust and wants to kill children?

[KinjaKahn]

Do you really believe that anyone in favor of abortion has a secret blood lust and wants to kill children?

Is blood lust listed as a motive in my sig?

[residenceevil]

BTW- I'm really only offering up my personal belief to this simply to say that many people who are pro-life don't feel like they are taking away a woman's right or stripping them of a choice. The belief is that the choice doesn't belong to the woman in the first place.

We could argue this point about personal positions on abortion forever, and I doubt any of us would change our minds. But as a pro-life person myself, I am often discredited for not taking into account the choice of a mother. I just don't think the choice is there to take away.

So the 16 year old rape victim should be punished for having female genitalia? It's not her fault she can produce a baby (even one that isn't wanted).

[residenceevil]

The 9 months for the woman, is voluntary, as the abortion laws allow her a choice. While the father is responsible for 18 years of involuntary support, under the threat of jail.


So does this mean you are for limitations on the current abortion on demand mentality? If rape is allowed to be a prerequisite for abortion, rape statistics will skyrocket.

He should of thought about that before he engaged in the action.

[KinjaKahn]

So the 16 year old rape victim should be punished for having female genitalia? It's not her fault she can produce a baby (even one that isn't wanted).

So the baby gets the death penalty for the crimes of its father?

Perhaps you'd be willing to serve a prison sentence for Clinton's felony, or some scab's bank robbery spree?

[KinjaKahn]

He should of thought about that before he engaged in the action.
So should the skank. Even more so on her part. Leave it to the Liberals to dismiss all forms or responsibility.

[Roy Munson]

So should the skank. Even more so on her part. Leave it to the Liberals to dismiss all forms or responsibility.
funniest thing you've posted in quite some time.

[Reagan Smash]

So the baby gets the death penalty for the crimes of its father?

Perhaps you'd be willing to serve a prison sentence for Clinton's felony, or some scab's bank robbery spree?

No, the mother does, since you have less rights as an adult then as a fetus, I assume.

[residenceevil]

So should the skank. Even more so on her part. Leave it to the Liberals to dismiss all forms or responsibility.


Did you miss the part where I said I don't advocate this as a birth control? The 16 year old rape victim is a "skank" now? Awesome...

[residenceevil]

So the baby gets the death penalty for the crimes of its father?

Perhaps you'd be willing to serve a prison sentence for Clinton's felony, or some scab's bank robbery spree?

To be quite honest it doesn't know any better anyways...it doesn't have "feelings" at that point in time. I'd rather not punish the rape victim personally...but if you're ok with that then that's your own demon to battle...

[residenceevil]

So should the skank. Even more so on her part. Leave it to the Liberals to dismiss all forms or responsibility.

one more thing...I may take a liberal stance on this issue, but I don't consider myself a liberal person. I voted for Bush in the previous 2 elections (shame on me I know....)

[swordfish]

one more thing...I may take a liberal stance on this issue, but I don't consider myself a liberal person. I voted for Bush in the previous 2 elections (shame on me I know....)

Whoops you showed your hand. No more serious discussions for you!!! Any homosexual sympathizers want to flame this bush lover.

[KinjaKahn]

Did you miss the part where I said I don't advocate this as a birth control? The 16 year old rape victim is a "skank" now? Awesome...

Stop spinning... you'll fall down. Skank was directed at women voluntarily having sex. Not rape victims... follow along or get someone to read it to you. The skank comment did not apply to your post. Please review.

Why not use it as birth control? If its not a real enough person what difference does the reason to kill it make. As of now I imagine that position just lets you feel better about your support for slaughtering the defenseless.

[KinjaKahn]

For those in need of illustrations to spur comprehension.

http://courses.bio.psu.edu/fall2005/biol110/tutorials/tutorial2_files/fig_13_3.jpg

[Hotpapa666]

For those in need of illustrations to spur comprehension.

http://courses.bio.psu.edu/fall2005/biol110/tutorials/tutorial2_files/fig_13_3.jpg


Wow! It's that easy!

Except your fucking retarded diagram skips about half a dozen steps...

But, nothing is too simple for the Catholics.

[hannitykillspuppies]

Wow! It's that easy!

Except your fucking retarded diagram skips about half a dozen steps...

But, nothing is too simple for the Catholics.
how do you know he is a catholic?

[Hotpapa666]

how do you know he is a catholic?

He's been very vocal about his Catholic faith here many times.

[hannitykillspuppies]

He's been very vocal about his Catholic faith here many times.catholic or christian?

[ryr8828]

I see a Cent. of Biology Penn State stamp on the diagram, it has no Catholic or pro life group stamps on it.

[Hotpapa666]

catholic or christian?

I'm pretty sure he's vocally Catholic. I'll check.

[KinjaKahn]

Wow! It's that easy!

Except your fucking retarded diagram skips about half a dozen steps...

But, nothing is too simple for the Catholics.

So Penn State's illustration is retarded... I never expected a turncoat move and rant down on a science. Surely this is a prime example of selective stupidity.

[Hotpapa666]

So Penn State's illustration is retarded... I never expected a turncoat move and rant down on a science. Surely this is a prime example of selective stupidity.

Yes, if this diagram was produced by Penn State, then Penn State's illustration is retarded.

[swordfish]

Wow! It's that easy!

Except your fucking retarded diagram skips about half a dozen steps...

But, nothing is too simple for the Catholics.


Sounds like your disputing it to me. It is a common fact that regardless of what anyone says around here you still manage to look ignorant.

[Hotpapa666]

Sounds like your disputing it to me. It is a common fact that regardless of what anyone says around here you still manage to look ignorant.

This is one of those wonderful situations where I get to consider the source and laugh off the insult.

[Iron Jaw]

I'm pretty sure he's vocally Catholic. I'll check.


A Catholic is a Christian. Catholics believe in salvation through the Christ just as the Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians..............Catholicism is a Christian denomination, not a religion within itself.

Though some people continue to use the term, "Catholic Religion."

Just a pet peeve of mine.

My wife is a Roman Catholic, which is not surprising considering she is a Mexican - about 99 percent of Mexicans are Catholics. My kids are being raised as Catholics. I'm an Anglican. I told my wife long ago I didn't need to convert because I'm already a Christian. The Catholics accept the Anglican confirmation so I attend church with her - the Anglican and Catholic doctrine are fairly identical anyway - except our priests can legally marry and are encouraged to raise large families.........as all Catholic priests could until the 12th Century.

[Hotpapa666]

A Catholic is a Christian. Catholics believe in salvation through the Christ just as the Baptists, Episcopalians, Methodists, Presbyterians..............Catholicism is a Christian denomination, not a religion within itself.

Though some people continue to use the term, "Catholic Religion."

Just a pet peeve of mine.

My wife is a Roman Catholic, which is not surprising considering she is a Mexican - about 99 percent of Mexicans are Catholics. My kids are being raised as Catholics. I'm an Anglican. I told my wife long ago I didn't need to convert because I'm already a Christian. The Catholics accept the Anglican confirmation so I attend church with her - the Anglican and Catholic doctrine are fairly identical anyway - except our priests can legally marry and are encouraged to raise large families.........as all Catholic priests could until the 12th Century.

There are distinct differences between Catholics and most other Christian sects (with the notable exception of the C of E). For a long time, this may have changed, you couldn't take Communion if you weren't Catholic. The whole Priest thing, Nuns, Monks, yada yada yada. I was just pointing out that the guy is Catholic. I know they are all Christians.

[giddyup4]

And the debate continues. All i know is-

We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year,Running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears.:D

[Roy Munson]

are IUD's murder?

[KinjaKahn]

are IUD's murder?
Perhaps that question would be better answered by the 150,000 women who suffered numerous complications from minor irritation to the emotional ruin of total hysterectomy and even death from them in the 70's inciting the class action lawsuit and the banning of them.

[Roy Munson]

Perhaps that question would be better answered by the 10's of thousands of women who suffered numerous complications from minor irritation to the emotional ruin of total hysterectomy and even death from them in the 70's inciting the class action lawsuit and the banning of them.
They're still used today.

[KinjaKahn]

They're still used today.
They were revamped and remarketed. Look up the Dalkon Shield...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E7DA143DF933A15751C0A96F9582 60&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=all

[Roy Munson]

They were revamped and remarketed. Look up the Dalkon Shield...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E7DA143DF933A15751C0A96F9582 60&sec=health&spon=&pagewanted=all
Yeah like with Mirena they use the term IUC. Doesn't change the fact that they stop pregnancy after sperm meets egg.

[KinjaKahn]

Yeah like with Mirena they use the term IUC. Doesn't change the fact that they stop pregnancy after sperm meets egg.
Is it so difficult to deduce that I would not be in favor of implanting "back alley hanger" contraptions?

[Roy Munson]

Is it so difficult to deduce that I would not be in favor of implanting "back alley hanger" contraptions?
You're not preaching death to the makers of Mirena.

[KinjaKahn]

You're not preaching death to the makers of Mirena.
I do not preach, nor do I lust to keep the interrupts, in human beings life cycles coming, while not batting an eye at those wicked mind-fucked freaks dishing out the scalpel gashes, scissor spearings, or sadistic saline baths. You can help stop this shit but you don't want it to stop.