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LSU
04-26-2008, 10:48 AM
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=solar-power-lightens-up-with-thin-film-cells

Solar Power Lightens Up with Thin-Film Technology
Cheap, durable, efficient devices are needed to generate a significant amount of electricity from the sun. So-called thin-film photovoltaic cells may be just the ticket

By David Biello

The sun blasts Earth with enough energy in one hour—4.3 x 1020 joules—to provide all of humanity's energy needs for a year (4.1 x 1020 joules), according to physicist Steven Chu, director of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. The question is how to most effectively harness it. Thin-film solar cells may be the answer: One recently converted 19.9 percent of the sunlight that hit it into electricity, surpassing the amount converted into power by mass-produced traditional silicon photovoltaics and offering the potential to unleash this renewable energy source.

Prices for high-grade silicon (that can generate electricity from sunlight) shot up in 2004 in response to growing demand, reaching as high as $500 per kilogram (2.2 pounds) this year. Enter thin-film solar cells—devices that use a fine layer of semiconducting material, such as silicon, copper indium gallium selenide or cadmium telluride, to harvest electricity from sunlight at a fraction of the cost.

"The fundamental advantage of thin film comes in the form of the amount of material you need," says electrical engineer Jeff Britt, chief technology officer of thin-film manufacturer Global Solar Energy in Tucson, Ariz. "These are direct bandgap semiconductors. You can get by with one or two microns and still absorb 98 percent of the sunlight." (In other words, it takes at least 100 times less thin-film material to absorb the same amount of sunlight as traditional silicon photovoltaic cells.)

Global Solar uses a technology known as copper indium gallium selenide (CIGS) to make its thin-film solar cells. The company has already supplied the U.S. military and outdoor enthusiasts with portable field chargers, largely for communication and other small electronic devices powered by such cells. In March, the company opened a new factory in Tucson, where it plans to produce enough thin-film CIGS solar cells to generate 40 megawatts of electricity next year—enough to power roughly 15,000 average American homes; it hopes to boost the juice to 100 megawatts by 2010 in response to what it predicts will be a growing market.

"We're focusing on low-cost terrestrial power generation," Britt says. "It's intended for large-scale, ground-based arrays." In other words, the types of solar farms previously dominated by traditional silicon photovoltaics now used to generate electricity from sunshine in states like Arizona and California.

Global Solar is not alone. A host of companies, including HelioVolt, Nanosolar and others, are using CIGS technology in an attempt to cut the cost of producing photovoltaic cells. But there are other challenges. "The first hurdle is cost," says materials scientist B. J. Stanbery, CEO of HelioVolt in Austin, Tex., which is in the process of opening its first CIGS solar cell factory. "The second is efficiency [how much sunlight can be converted to power] and the third is the reliability, [which means the] lifetime of the device."

Researchers at the U.S. Department of Energy's (DoE) National Renewable Energy Laboratory have succeeded in producing CIGS cells that can convert nearly 20 percent of the sunlight that falls on them into electricity. But manufacturers note that mass production reduces their efficiency because chemical processes are not as easy to control on an industrial assembly line.

"Benchtop is a great thing to measure because it tells you about the potential of the technology. It tells you nothing, however, about what people are actually making or can make," says Paul Wormser, senior director of product development for the Solar Energy Solutions Group at electronics manufacturer Sharp Electronics, headquartered in Osaka, Japan. "By the time you go into production, you're going to get about half" of the efficiency demonstrated in a lab under perfect conditions.

Sharp pairs amorphous silicon (fine layers of randomly arranged silicon) with layers of crystalline silicon (whose atoms are in a more structured lattice) to make its thin-film cells. It plans to increase its manufacturing capacity at its plant in Katsuragi, Japan, to produce enough cells to make 160 megawatts of electricity by October—and to bring its total annual output to enough cells to produce 1,000 megawatts by 2010 by building another factory in Sakai, Japan.

He denies speculation that thin-film solar cells will eventually kill the traditional crystalline silicon phtotvoltaics end of the business, noting that they are designed to supplement, not supplant, the old standbys. "Rumors of crystalline's demise are highly exaggerated," Wormser says. "We see thin-film as highly complementary to crystalline and concentrators."

But Wormser says that thin-film cells have the potential to produce more power over time than the older technology, because they resist the sun's heat better and produce more power when the temperature spikes.

Durability may be an issue, however. Consequently, thin-film cells intended for large arrays use lower grade silicon (read: glass) to protect the delicate photovoltaic layers. For example, Tempe, Ariz.–based First Solar, Inc., which employs cadmium telluride in its thin-film solar cells, sells its modules encased in glass for either large arrays or rooftops. "The elegance of the solar business is that you construct a product and it just sits there generating power for 20 to 25 years," says company president, Bruce Sohn.

In addition to offering solar modules at $1.25 a pop (compared with at least double that per module for traditional photovoltaics), First Solar has also instituted a process for recycling them at the end of their active lives.

"Glass can be returned to the glass industry. Metals can be repurified and given back to us in the form of the cadmium telluride compound. Even the wires can be reused," Sohn says. "We really can recycle in excess of 90 percent of the weight of the product today in a perpetual, environmentally friendly life cycle."

In fact, cadmium telluride solar cells are currently the most ecofriendly devices, even though they use a toxic heavy metal, primarily because they require the least energy—typically provided by burning fossil fuels—to manufacture, says environmental engineer Vasilis Fthenakis, senior scientist at Brookhaven National Laboratory's National Photovoltaic Environment Research Center in Upton, N.Y., and Columbia University.

Yet, cadmium telluride commands only about 30 percent of the thin-film market, according to DoE statistics, compared with amorphous silicon cells (such as those produced by Sharp and ECD Ovonics), which account for more than 60 percent; CIGS cells make up just about 1 percent of this market.

But CIGS has the most potential efficiency (converting as much as 25 percent of incoming sunlight to electricity) of any of the thin-film technologies as well as of traditional photovoltaic cells, Heliovolt's Stanberry says. Würth Solar in Germany has mass-produced such cells that can convert as much as 13 percent of sunlight, according to Lawrence Kazmerski, director of the DoE's National Center for Photovoltaics in Golden, Colo.

All of the thin-film technologies also offer the potential for ubiquity. That is, says Sharp's Wormser, "you have the opportunity with thin film to make what people refer to as a semitransparent photovoltaic module in place of a window on a building. It allows you to see out through the window, but from the outside it looks like tinted glass."

The thin-film solar cells can be used in more flexible applications, such as so-called solar shingles, roofing materials that double as electricity generators. "It's going to serve the purpose of keeping out the elements, but it's also going to generate power for you," Global Solar's Britt says. This also eliminates the significant cost—typically at least doubling the price of a given module—of adding solar photovoltaic systems to already existing buildings.

Alternative forms of electricity generation—or some kind of efficient energy storage, such as better batteries—would be necessary for those times when the sun is not shining. But thin-film solar cells hold the promise of harnessing the sun's power in an efficient and sustainable way—and displacing the burning of fossilized sunlight for energy that is contributing climate change–causing carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

"Combining this highest efficiency, lowest cost and most reliable thin-film technology directly into building construction materials will be the beginning of a revolution in solar power," HelioVolt's Stanbery says. "I worried that I wouldn't live to see the day when solar became an economically substantive part of our energy mix, but I think we're on the road to that happening finally. The best is yet to come."

fahvra
04-26-2008, 03:50 PM
now to figure out a way to put this into shingles.

Roy Munson
04-26-2008, 05:50 PM
manufacturing these things currently makes CO2, rendering any benefit they have to be worthless....

fahvra
04-26-2008, 07:11 PM
manufacturing these things currently makes CO2, rendering any benefit they have to be worthless....

there is a byproduct from everything manufactured.

Roy Munson
04-26-2008, 10:55 PM
there is a byproduct from everything manufactured.
Its the same argument people make against Gore's giving a shit about the environment. How can he tell people to use less and still actually be breathing? HOW?

all or nothing... those are your choices.

Hotpapa666
04-26-2008, 11:11 PM
Its the same argument people make against Gore's giving a shit about the environment. How can he tell people to use less and still actually be breathing? HOW?

all or nothing... those are your choices.

That's who I moved into a Tee-Pee and breathe into bags containing special CO2 absorbing crystals which I bury under the trees I plant.

Roy Munson
04-27-2008, 12:16 AM
That's who I moved into a Tee-Pee and breathe into bags containing special CO2 absorbing crystals which I bury under the trees I plant.
Thats the only way your efforts mean anything.

Hotpapa666
04-27-2008, 12:32 AM
Thats the only way your efforts mean anything.

I know, right? I'm awesome for living this way.

ryr8828
04-27-2008, 05:40 AM
Its the same argument people make against Gore's giving a shit about the environment. How can he tell people to use less and still actually be breathing? HOW?

all or nothing... those are your choices.

No, it's not the same argument at all. Not even close. Mine and Vegas' problems with Gore and the liberal Hollywood elite's hypocrisy on this issue are well documented on this site and they are nothing even close to that.

Hotpapa666
04-27-2008, 09:22 AM
No, it's not the same argument at all. Not even close. Mine and Vegas' problems with Gore and the liberal Hollywood elite's hypocrisy on this issue are well documented on this site and they are nothing even close to that.

Hypocracy is always a fun word to throw around when folks don't to deal with the issue. Even if Gore is hypocrite, it doesn't deminish the message.

The saving grace of the person on the wrong end of an argument is always to attack the person giving the argument. The fact that all off the Republicanists are going after people personally is tantamount to a concession that they have been wrong on this issue all along. Now comes the kicking and the screaming.

swordfish
04-27-2008, 09:59 AM
Hypocracy is always a fun word to throw around when folks don't to deal with the issue. Even if Gore is hypocrite, it doesn't deminish the message.

The saving grace of the person on the wrong end of an argument is always to attack the person giving the argument. The fact that all off the Republicanists are going after people personally is tantamount to a concession that they have been wrong on this issue all along. Now comes the kicking and the screaming.

Now what is really funny about this is that G W Bush, you know the one you love to hate, he has a home that is 100% off the grid. It uses solar power, collects rain water for irrigation, the whole 9. Now Al Gore uses about 20k dollars in electricity every year. Which one of these guys actually gives a damn? The one who has an eco friendly home(Bush) or the one who makes a ton of money selling carbon credits to himself so he can use more power than 10 normal families. Wake the fuck up. Republicans don't want to destroy the world. Both parties do.

Hotpapa666
04-27-2008, 10:18 AM
Now what is really funny about this is that G W Bush, you know the one you love to hate, he has a home that is 100% off the grid. It uses solar power, collects rain water for irrigation, the whole 9. Now Al Gore uses about 20k dollars in electricity every year. Which one of these guys actually gives a damn? The one who has an eco friendly home(Bush) or the one who makes a ton of money selling carbon credits to himself so he can use more power than 10 normal families. Wake the fuck up. Republicans don't want to destroy the world. Both parties do.

I'm wide awake homeboy.

I am fully aware that both R and D are for sale to the highest bidder.

And perhaps you need to clean up your message. You contradict yourself in your last two sentences.

swordfish
04-27-2008, 10:22 AM
I'm wide awake homeboy.

I am fully aware that both R and D are for sale to the highest bidder.

And perhaps you need to clean up your message. You conradict yourself in your last two sentences.

So its perfectly fine for Al Gore to go around and push something on me that he himself will not do? Why should he not put his money where his mouth is? If it was so important he would surely act fast.

As far as the last statement, you know what I mean. I think its pretty funny that is all you can argue against. It just proves that you have no argument against Bush having a more eco-friendly home. In fact it probably really pisses you off that your "call boy" does not lead as green of a life as the "war president".

Oh btw you can't spell.

Hotpapa666
04-27-2008, 10:36 AM
So its perfectly fine for Al Gore to go around and push something on me that he himself will not do? Why should he not put his money where his mouth is? If it was so important he would surely act fast.

As far as the last statement, you know what I mean. I think its pretty funny that is all you can argue against. It just proves that you have no argument against Bush having a more eco-friendly home. In fact it probably really pisses you off that your "call boy" does not lead as green of a life as the "war president".

Oh btw you can't spell.

If Al Gore were to build a bon-fire the size of Texas tomorrow it would have no impact on the value of the science that backs his message. What Al Gore does has no barring on the data that he uses. Is the guy a hypocrite? Who fucking cares? I take that back, you do, why?

I have no idea what type of logic you were applying when you typed your last paragraph. If Bush has an Eco-friendlier house than Gore, way to go Bush. That doesn't make Gore a moron, or Bush a god, it just is. Get it?

swordfish
04-27-2008, 10:40 AM
If Al Gore were to build a bon-fire the size of Texas tomorrow it would have no impact on the value of the science that backs his message. What Al Gore does has no barring on the data that he uses. Is the guy a hypocrite? Who fucking cares? I take that back, you do, why?

I have no idea what type of logic you were applying when you typed your last paragraph. If Bush has an Eco-friendlier house than Gore, way to go Bush. That doesn't make Gore a moron, or Bush a god, it just is. Get it?

Data?

I won't go into that.

Practice what you preach? Ever heard of it? How can anyone take you seriously when you do the opposite of what you want everyone else to do? Regardless of his message he has destroyed his own credibility with his actions. Get it?

fahvra
04-27-2008, 10:55 AM
So its perfectly fine for Al Gore to go around and push something on me that he himself will not do? Why should he not put his money where his mouth is? If it was so important he would surely act fast.

As far as the last statement, you know what I mean. I think its pretty funny that is all you can argue against. It just proves that you have no argument against Bush having a more eco-friendly home. In fact it probably really pisses you off that your "call boy" does not lead as green of a life as the "war president".

Oh btw you can't spell.


fuck if his house isnt eco friendly. my wife happened to be watching oprah the other day and he was on there. he went on a tour of the house and pointed out everything hes done recently. solar, geothermal heating and cooling, etc.


Oh btw, your president cant spell or talk.

swordfish
04-27-2008, 11:02 AM
fuck if his house isnt eco friendly. my wife happened to be watching oprah the other day and he was on there. he went on a tour of the house and pointed out everything hes done recently. solar, geothermal heating and cooling, etc.


Oh btw, your president cant spell or talk.

Im convinced, since the source is your wife and Oprah.

Roy Munson
04-27-2008, 08:02 PM
No, it's not the same argument at all. Not even close. Mine and Vegas' problems with Gore and the liberal Hollywood elite's hypocrisy on this issue are well documented on this site and they are nothing even close to that.

I'm too lazy to go back and find all the articles that Vegas posted with people bitching that Gore's house uses too much electricity for him to be able to talk about the environment, or NBC being hypocritical for trying to get people to cut down on their energy consumption, but still send people to the poles to report on the ice melting. There were even calculations of how much CO2 they output flying those people to remote locations. No matter how many people they influenced into actually conserving energy, their message meant nothing because they said what they said while expelling CO2 into the environment. If they really cared, they'd stop breathing...

Roy Munson
04-27-2008, 08:04 PM
I'm too lazy to go back and find all the articles that Vegas posted with people bitching that Gore's house uses too much electricity for him to be able to talk about the environment, or NBC being hypocritical for trying to get people to cut down on their energy consumption, but still send people to the poles to report on the ice melting. There were even calculations of how much CO2 they output flying those people to remote locations. No matter how many people they influenced into actually conserving energy, their message meant nothing because they said what they said while expelling CO2 into the environment. If they really cared, they'd stop breathing...
Or even the conference on climate change. That was an exercise in futility because a shitload of people all had to fly to the same location to talk about how the world can cut down on CO2 output, while outputting CO2...

ryr8828
04-27-2008, 11:42 PM
I'm too lazy to go back and find all the articles that Vegas posted with people bitching that Gore's house uses too much electricity for him to be able to talk about the environment, or NBC being hypocritical for trying to get people to cut down on their energy consumption, but still send people to the poles to report on the ice melting. There were even calculations of how much CO2 they output flying those people to remote locations. No matter how many people they influenced into actually conserving energy, their message meant nothing because they said what they said while expelling CO2 into the environment. If they really cared, they'd stop breathing...

That's exactly the point. They'd like to keep on breathing (hyperventilating actually) but they want me to stop. They use more fuel and cause more emissions in a day than I will in 5 years, yet I'm supposed to cut back to fulfill their unproven agenda.

IBC
04-28-2008, 07:54 AM
That's exactly the point. They'd like to keep on breathing (hyperventilating actually) but they want me to stop. They use more fuel and cause more emissions in a day than I will in 5 years, yet I'm supposed to cut back to fulfill their unproven agenda.

And what do you think is "their" motive?

fahvra
04-28-2008, 09:42 AM
Im convinced, since the source is your wife and Oprah.

no, the source was Gore, I saw him on the F'n show.

fahvra
04-28-2008, 09:44 AM
Or even the conference on climate change. That was an exercise in futility because a shitload of people all had to fly to the same location to talk about how the world can cut down on CO2 output, while outputting CO2...

they should probably just scrap the whole idea then. :rolleyes:

giddyup4
04-28-2008, 11:12 AM
Now what is really funny about this is that G W Bush, you know the one you love to hate, he has a home that is 100% off the grid. It uses solar power, collects rain water for irrigation, the whole 9. Now Al Gore uses about 20k dollars in electricity every year. Which one of these guys actually gives a damn? The one who has an eco friendly home(Bush) or the one who makes a ton of money selling carbon credits to himself so he can use more power than 10 normal families. Wake the fuck up. Republicans don't want to destroy the world. Both parties do.


And how do you suppose he paid for this? Oil profits possibly? Its wonderful that he has done this but can the average joe afford the same?

domenick2x
04-28-2008, 12:31 PM
Now what is really funny about this is that G W Bush, you know the one you love to hate, he has a home that is 100% off the grid. It uses solar power, collects rain water for irrigation, the whole 9. Now Al Gore uses about 20k dollars in electricity every year. Which one of these guys actually gives a damn? The one who has an eco friendly home(Bush) or the one who makes a ton of money selling carbon credits to himself so he can use more power than 10 normal families. Wake the fuck up. Republicans don't want to destroy the world. Both parties do.
He must know that we're about to run out of oil.

Roy Munson
04-28-2008, 01:14 PM
That's exactly the point. They'd like to keep on breathing (hyperventilating actually) but they want me to stop. They use more fuel and cause more emissions in a day than I will in 5 years, yet I'm supposed to cut back to fulfill their unproven agenda.
That was also the point of my first couple posts in this thread. The idea that Gore gives a shit about the environment because his house uses a ton of electricity, or he travels to give speaches to influence thousands of people just makes me laugh. Its like you think it invalidates his message so that nobody should listen to him. Could he do more? Probably. Does he have to in order to influence the greater masses into making an even bigger impact than just himself ever could? Probably not.

Its the same argument used against the Clintons for asking people for donations to charities when they don't give 100% of what they make to charity. How can you ask for more from people when you yourself don't give up everything you own for the cause? They must not care.

Its not an all or nothing thing, but thats how it seems to be judged. Would it make Al more believable if he were living in a tent, wearing a grass skirt and drawing his charts on stones with goat blood?

domenick2x
04-28-2008, 01:18 PM
That was also the point of my first couple posts in this thread. The idea that Gore gives a shit about the environment because his house uses a ton of electricity, or he travels to give speaches to influence thousands of people just makes me laugh. Its like you think it invalidates his message so that nobody should listen to him. Could he do more? Probably. Does he have to in order to influence the greater masses into making an even bigger impact than just himself ever could? Probably not.

Its the same argument used against the Clintons for asking people for donations to charities when they don't give 100% of what they make to charity. How can you ask for more from people when you yourself don't give up everything you own for the cause? They must not care.

Its not an all or nothing thing, but thats how it seems to be judged. Would it make Al more believable if he were living in a tent, wearing a grass skirt and drawing his charts on stones with goat blood?
How dare he use fossil fuels to power the cameras to make a movie...

Roy Munson
04-28-2008, 01:19 PM
How dare he use fossil fuels to power the cameras to make a movie...
Those DVDs don't burn themselves either.

fahvra
04-28-2008, 01:49 PM
How dare he use fossil fuels to power the cameras to make a movie...


if he really cared, he would have just put the movie on the internet, so we didnt have to waste gas to go see it. nevermind, using the internet takes electricity.

he shouldve just played the movie on the clouds, like the 'bat signal'.

domenick2x
04-28-2008, 02:09 PM
if he really cared, he would have just put the movie on the internet, so we didnt have to waste gas to go see it. nevermind, using the internet takes electricity.

he shouldve just played the movie on the clouds, like the 'bat signal'.
Word of mouth.

"Al Gore says we're killing the planet - pass it on!"

ryr8828
04-28-2008, 05:44 PM
And what do you think is "their" motive?
Less capitalism equals more government control.

domenick2x
04-28-2008, 05:48 PM
Less capitalism equals more government control.
I don't know - Bush seems to tout more capitalism, less regulation, and it's sent the economy into a free fall...

ryr8828
04-28-2008, 05:51 PM
I don't know - Bush seems to tout more capitalism, less regulation, and it's sent the economy into a free fall...

Believe it or not, Bush is not the sole reason for the state of this economy and he won't be the sole reason when it rebounds.

swordfish
04-28-2008, 07:06 PM
According to some of you guys it doesn't matter how I live as long as I support huge taxes on common goods like electricity and oil. So from now on I am a huge advocate of "you" not wasting resources. I am going to be putting my trans am to the red line and laying down rubber for the cause. After that I am going to waste fresh water to clean the dust off my spoiler. All for the cause of environmentalism. Seriously it doesn't matter what I do as long as I pass along the message that "you" need to stop living your current lifestyle. No more driving to work or to the gym, walk you fat bitches. I am going to drive because its my prerogative , but you swine better hot foot it. I mean really if Algore, China, Russia, etc etc etc is doing so much to prevent global warming then we should do more. In fact I say we stop producing and exporting any goods. Those resources belong to mother earth. We need to stop breathing the O2 in the air as well. In fact "you" guys would do the world a favor if you just lay down and die. But not me, I will continue to overuse as long as I am able to tell you to stop living moderately.

Roy Munson
04-28-2008, 07:53 PM
According to some of you guys it doesn't matter how I live as long as I support huge taxes on common goods like electricity and oil. So from now on I am a huge advocate of "you" not wasting resources. I am going to be putting my trans am to the red line and laying down rubber for the cause. After that I am going to waste fresh water to clean the dust off my spoiler. All for the cause of environmentalism. Seriously it doesn't matter what I do as long as I pass along the message that "you" need to stop living your current lifestyle. No more driving to work or to the gym, walk you fat bitches. I am going to drive because its my prerogative , but you swine better hot foot it. I mean really if Algore, China, Russia, etc etc etc is doing so much to prevent global warming then we should do more. In fact I say we stop producing and exporting any goods. Those resources belong to mother earth. We need to stop breathing the O2 in the air as well. In fact "you" guys would do the world a favor if you just lay down and die. But not me, I will continue to overuse as long as I am able to tell you to stop living moderately.
Your sphere of influence is way too small to make up for the waste you produce while spreading your message of conservation.

ryr8828
04-28-2008, 07:57 PM
Your sphere of influence is way too small to make up for the waste you produce while spreading your message of conservation.

So the rich and famous deserve special rules.

I guess liberals only denounce this when it's Republicans that get accused of doing it.

Roy Munson
04-28-2008, 08:07 PM
So the rich and famous deserve special rules.

I guess liberals only denounce this when it's Republicans that get accused of doing it.
I'd say total conservation is the key here. And its not like Gore has done nothing to improve his home consumption.

fahvra
04-29-2008, 09:56 AM
Believe it or not, Bush is not the sole reason for the state of this economy and he won't be the sole reason when it rebounds.


he wont be around when that happens.

domenick2x
04-29-2008, 10:24 AM
Believe it or not, Bush is not the sole reason for the state of this economy and he won't be the sole reason when it rebounds.
Should we blame Reagan?

swordfish
04-29-2008, 07:40 PM
Should we blame Reagan?

I'm putting blame on Jimmy Carter.