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Vegas
04-23-2007, 05:10 PM
http://www.nrapublications.org/armed%20citizen/Index.asp

Kansas’ concealed carry law took effect January 1, 2007. On January 19, two armed men burst into a gas station owned by Dean Yee. According to police, they twice demanded money from Yee while holding him at gunpoint. A customer inside the store, however, had a concealed-carry permit. He shouted for the robbers to drop their weapons. When they refused, he shot one suspect before the other fled. Station owner Yee feels lucky to be alive. “I would have been shot in the chest,” he told 27 News. Kansas Sen. Phil Journey, (R-Haysville) added, “Hopefully this will put other criminals and thugs on notice that Kansas is a different state today
than it was just 20 days ago.” (The Topeka Capital-Journal, Topeka, KS, 01/23/07)

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Raymond Hill’s 12-year-old daughter woke him up with startling news: two people were trying to break into their home. Police say Hill loaded a .40-caliber handgun and went downstairs, where he saw one of the suspects removing a screen from the rear window. The suspect continued trying to break in, and Hill shot and killed him. Police nabbed the second suspect as he attempted to flee on a bicycle. (Las Vegas Review-Journal, Las Vegas, NV, 01/24/07)

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Isaac Wilson pulled over to take a cell phone call when a career criminal approached. The man pointed from inside his clothes with what Wilson thought was a gun. He then told Wilson to get out of the car. They traded places, and then Wilson ordered the carjacker to get out. Police say the carjacker rushed toward Wilson acting as though he had a weapon. “That’s why I pulled my gun,” says Wilson. He shot his assailant once. The suspect was listed in fair condition at the hospital. (WTHR13 News, Indianapolis, IN, 01/26/07)

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When two armed men approached a residence and flashed a handgun, the fearful person inside let them in. The resident’s compliance only emboldened the intruders. Police say a shot rang out, and a relative in an upstairs apartment hurried down with a rifle. He shot both suspects, killing one and causing the other to flee. The wounded suspect was apprehended at the hospital. Authorities in Schenectady, N.Y., say it was the fourth case in two months in which a would-be victim shot an intruder. (Albany Times Union, Albany, NY, 01/20/07)

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Police say a man and a woman were getting into their car outside a Wal-Mart when an attacker shoved a pistol into the man’s stomach and demanded the keys. The woman pulled a pistol from the glove box and fired five shots at the carjacker, who dropped his pistol and ran away. He was arrested at a hospital where he sought treatment for a gunshot wound. “We’re kind of hailing (the man and woman) as heroes,” said Richland County, S.C., Sheriff Leon Lott. The suspect stands accused of committing nine additional armed robberies in less than a month. (The State, Columbia, SC, 01/17/07)

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The safety of his mother and nephew was all 22-year-old Phillip Mendoza could think about after six armed men invaded their home. Mendoza snuck into a bedroom and grabbed a shotgun. “I knew they had my mom with a gun and my little nephew,” he recalls. Police say one of the intruders kicked open the bedroom door and Mendoza fired a load of buckshot, critically injuring the suspect. Then another intruder appeared in the doorway and Mendoza fired again, killing one of the men. The other intruders and the wounded suspect fled. Two were apprehended. (The Tucson Citizen, Tucson, AZ, 01/04/07)

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Sonya Dople and her boyfriend, Charles Green, were getting ready for dinner when two masked men burst inside with a BB gun. Police say the men held the gun to Dople’s head and forced her to the ground. That’s when Green came around the corner, pointing his gun at the intruders and demanding their departure. When they refused, he shot one of the suspects and they fled the home. “If we hadn’t had the gun and [Green] hadn’t done that … we could’ve been dead today,” said Dople. (WATE6 News, Knoxville, TN, 01/11/07)

IBC
04-23-2007, 05:10 PM
Anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy.

pnkpanther
04-23-2007, 05:17 PM
I'm trying to dig up news story from MN where a store clerk killed himself with the gun store owner legally bougt and held for defense

Vegas
04-23-2007, 05:21 PM
I'm trying to dig up news story from MN where a store clerk killed himself with the gun store owner legally bougt and held for defense

But that doesn't change the fact that guns are used to stop crimes more than they are used in committing crime.

pnkpanther
04-23-2007, 05:22 PM
But that doesn't change the fact that guns are used to stop crimes more than they are used in committing crime.

ummm no, that is completely false

Vegas
04-23-2007, 05:23 PM
ummm no, that is completely false

It's false because you say it's false or false because you don't want to believe it?

IBC
04-23-2007, 05:23 PM
But that doesn't change the fact that guns are used to stop crimes more than they are used in committing crime.

No, they aren't. You attempted to and didn't IMO discredit the Kellermann study. You just stated that it had been thoroughly debunked. Then you cited Lott who has been proven to bve a liar about many things. Then you said Kellermann was politically biased. C'mon man. Fight fair. You can't say something that even Lott's weak study can prove and pass it as fact.

Vegas
04-23-2007, 05:24 PM
No, they aren't. You attempted to and didn't IMO discredit the Kellermann study. You just stated that it had been thoroughly debunked. Then you cited Lott who has been proven to bve a liar about many things. Then you said Kellermann was politically biased. C'mon man. Fight fair. You can't say something that even Lott's weak study can prove and pass it as fact.

You're not doing the exact same thing to me???

pnkpanther
04-23-2007, 05:28 PM
It's false because you say it's false or false because you don't want to believe it?

well we can back and forth on studies

i guess "accidental" shootings dotn count as crimes

but i also dont believe 328,500 crimes a year are stopped by private gun owning citizens.

IBC
04-23-2007, 05:29 PM
You're not doing the exact same thing to me???

How???

Vegas
04-23-2007, 05:32 PM
How???

I assume you're joking, but I'll answer you anyway.

You made posts saying Lott was discredited. I made posts saying that Kellermann was discredited. I don't believe your posts/data and you don't believe mine.

IBC
04-23-2007, 05:35 PM
I assume you're joking, but I'll answer you anyway.

You made posts saying Lott was discredited. I made posts saying that Kellermann was discredited. I don't believe your posts/data and you don't believe mine.

Tell me where Kellermann has posed as another person to discredit his opponents? Tell me where kellermann has made up studies? How did you discredit Kellermann? I posted link after link discrediting Lott. His book company doesn't peer review. His publications and think tank don't peer review. He has lied his ass off man.

Nixon's Head
04-23-2007, 05:39 PM
Sonya Dople and her boyfriend, Charles Green, were getting ready for dinner when two masked men burst inside with a BB gun. Police say the men held the gun to Dople’s head and forced her to the ground. That’s when Green came around the corner, pointing his gun at the intruders and demanding their departure. When they refused, he shot one of the suspects and they fled the home. “If we hadn’t had the gun and [Green] hadn’t done that … we could’ve been dead today,” said Dople. (WATE6 News, Knoxville, TN, 01/11/07)Dead? Seriously? Must have been one nasty BB gun.

pnkpanther
04-23-2007, 05:40 PM
i got shot in head by a BB gun, amazing, i'm still alive

Nixon's Head
04-23-2007, 05:40 PM
But that doesn't change the fact that guns are used to stop crimes more than they are used in committing crime.I have a very hard time believing this. I read about many, many gun-related crimes. Very rarely do I read about an instance where someone thwarts a criminal with a gun they own.

IBC
04-23-2007, 05:42 PM
I have a very hard time believing this. I read about many, many gun-related crimes. Very rarely do I read about an instance where someone thwarts a criminal with a gun they own.

Damn liberal media.

Potomac Yank
04-23-2007, 05:44 PM
Concealed Carry Law comes to the Big Apple.

Yessiree Bob, It's legal, all citizens of NYC can now pack their favorite shootin irons.

Recommended Do Not's for visiting Out of Towners.

While in the Times Square vicinity, Do Not make a sudden move to cover a sneeze, or hale a cab.

These men and women may be City folks, but they know how to take care of themselves.
Before you know it, you'll have 300 single shots in you before you can say howdy.

Thank you Middle America, for the dream come true.

LSU
04-23-2007, 05:45 PM
I have a very hard time believing this. I read about many, many gun-related crimes. Very rarely do I read about an instance where someone thwarts a criminal with a gun they own.



Well, the simple logic is that people without guns can't defend themselves, so therefore a crime occurs. If these same people were packin' heat, they would drive those criminals away and not have to file a police report, and you'd never hear about the incident.

It's all quite simple.


That, and the liberal MSM doesn't report on any good uses of guns, they all want them permanently banned from the planet.

Nixon's Head
04-23-2007, 05:52 PM
Its always the media's fault.

ryr8828
04-23-2007, 06:19 PM
I have a very hard time believing this. I read about many, many gun-related crimes. Very rarely do I read about an instance where someone thwarts a criminal with a gun they own.

No doubt.

i_hate_righties
04-23-2007, 06:33 PM
Concealed Carry Law comes to the Big Apple.

Yessiree Bob, It's legal, all citizens of NYC can now pack their favorite shootin irons.

Recommended Do Not's for visiting Out of Towners.

While in the Times Square vicinity, Do Not make a sudden move to cover a sneeze, or hale a cab.

These men and women may be City folks, but they know how to take care of themselves.
Before you know it, you'll have 300 single shots in you before you can say howdy.

Thank you Middle America, for the dream come true.


Im sorry, but if we can all carry weapons, why not just go back to the wild west days too...maybe we can even get some angry mobs and posse's to get together and have a few lynchings!

Potomac Yank
04-23-2007, 08:38 PM
Im sorry, but if we can all carry weapons, why not just go back to the wild west days too...maybe we can even get some angry mobs and posse's to get together and have a few lynchings!

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I'm glad that you were quick to see my point.

i_hate_righties
04-24-2007, 01:41 AM
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I'm glad that you were quick to see my point.


If someone broke into my home, as long as they left my kid alone, I would even help them carry out the shit and load it in their vehicle...I think the only time I would ever think of any means to kill someone it would be protecting my child!

Potomac Yank
04-24-2007, 05:27 AM
If someone broke into my home, as long as they left my kid alone, I would even help them carry out the shit and load it in their vehicle...I think the only time I would ever think of any means to kill someone it would be protecting my child!

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I was being sarcastic.

A little NYC humor.

Next to the Neo Cons and Religious Right gift to America of Bush and the Iraqi War.

Their idea of legally placing guns in every citizens hands, is just as insane and dangerous, as their gift of Bush and Iraqi War, is to the American people.

Nixon's Head
04-24-2007, 01:09 PM
Im sorry, but if we can all carry weapons, why not just go back to the wild west days too...maybe we can even get some angry mobs and posse's to get together and have a few lynchings!You want to join my posse?