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Vegas
04-04-2008, 01:54 PM
http://kudlow.nationalreview.com/

People are wondering how far home prices have to fall before hitting bottom, or some sustainable level. One way is to look at what a price reversion to trend would entail.

http://www.nationalreview.com/kudlow_images/040408_a.jpg

From 1982 to 2001, median existing home prices grew at a 4 percent per year trend rate. We select 2001 as a cut-off, because the Fed dropped the funds rate to 1.75 percent and home sales took off in the subsequent years.

Home prices also surged; until they peaked in 2006, home prices grew at an 8 percent per year pace, double the 1982-2001 trend pace. Home prices have started to correct, with a 2 ½ percent drop in 2007 and 7 percent drop so far this year.

Comparing actual home prices with what the 1982-2001 trend projected, we see that prices in 2006 were almost 40 percent above trend. Current prices are still 16 percent above the trend projection.

If prices are to revert to the trend by next year, they still need to fall another 12 percent from current levels. Reversion to the trend by 2010 would require a 10 percent decline from current levels.

http://www.nationalreview.com/kudlow_images/040408_b.jpg

Obviously, prices still have a way to go. However, this also means that homes are becoming more affordable. The home affordability index is now at the highest level since early-2004. (Thanks to Mark Perry at the Carpe Diem blogsite for highlighting this).

Falling home prices aren’t pleasant, but they are part of the market’s self-correction process. It’s also worth noting that even if prices revert to the trend growth rate, a home purchased more than five years ago would still have appreciated in value.

Jiddy78
04-04-2008, 02:44 PM
10 cents on the dollar is the result of ponzi schemes. 10 cents on the dollar...if homesellers are lucky.

domenick2x
04-04-2008, 03:21 PM
10 cents on the dollar is the result of ponzi schemes. 10 cents on the dollar...if homesellers are lucky.
If you buy high and sell low....

Jiddy78
04-04-2008, 03:31 PM
If you buy high and sell low....

Would you believe I went into a foreclosure property (starting at 49k) down the road from me...assessed the situation and determined that I wouldn't take the deed for free. That's how much the property needs in it. Looked up the mortgage records...200 grand. Ouch.

Then I realized that was just one of thousands in my area.

Good times.

In other news, the fireman 2 blocks over just received a million bucks.

domenick2x
04-04-2008, 03:41 PM
Would you believe I went into a foreclosure property (starting at 49k) down the road from me...assessed the situation and determined that I wouldn't take the deed for free. That's how much the property needs in it. Looked up the mortgage records...200 grand. Ouch.

Then I realized that was just one of thousands in my area.

Good times.

In other news, the fireman 2 blocks over just received a million bucks.
He won the lottery?

Jiddy78
04-04-2008, 03:46 PM
He won the lottery?

Million dollar drop plan...Firefighters down here can forego their pension and take a million dollar cash payout up front.

What's 50k (assuming 5%) a year in perpetuity anyway?

And that dwarfs New Yorker pensions from up north...Ouch is all I can say.

domenick2x
04-04-2008, 03:48 PM
Million dollar drop plan...Firefighters down here can forego their pension and take a million dollar cash payout up front.

What's 50k (assuming 5%) a year in perpetuity anyway?

And that dwarfs New Yorker pensions from up north...Ouch is all I can say.
Million, less applicable taxes?

Jiddy78
04-04-2008, 03:55 PM
Million, less applicable taxes?

Yup.

It's worse in other "higher cost" states. You should see what New Yorkers get.

It's flat out robbery IMO and even those I talk to that get it recognize it ain't right....but would YOU deny it? So it's hard to blame them. But I do anyway. :cool:

Jiddy78
04-04-2008, 03:56 PM
Million, less applicable taxes?

Mind you, remember the "years in service" part on top.

Jiddy78
04-04-2008, 04:15 PM
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article427663.ece

This is a fun one.

domenick2x
04-04-2008, 04:24 PM
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article427663.ece

This is a fun one.
Reminds me of a prison guard in Delaware.

He was a supervisor (exempt), but asked to be demoted to an hourly wage. Due to the shortage of guards, he's working double-shifts +. Due to the overtime, his salary is well into six figures.

He's calculated it out. In 2 more years, he can retire. Since the pension is calculated on years of service and the actual earning across his last 3 years, he'll be receiving a 90k per year pension after working for the state for a total of 8 years. To get more, he'd need to work to 15 years service, and it's not worth it.

He'll be 38 years old. And he'll take some time off, then start working again at another job.

Jiddy78
04-04-2008, 04:40 PM
Reminds me of a prison guard in Delaware.

He was a supervisor (exempt), but asked to be demoted to an hourly wage. Due to the shortage of guards, he's working double-shifts +. Due to the overtime, his salary is well into six figures.

He's calculated it out. In 2 more years, he can retire. Since the pension is calculated on years of service and the actual earning across his last 3 years, he'll be receiving a 90k per year pension after working for the state for a total of 8 years. To get more, he'd need to work to 15 years service, and it's not worth it.

He'll be 38 years old. And he'll take some time off, then start working again at another job.

But he may get shanked! :rolleyes:

swordfish
04-04-2008, 09:05 PM
But he may get shanked! :rolleyes:

Yes on the pension you mean.

Once a State starts to go broke it will offer up early retirements and buyouts. Pennies on the dollar.

Jiddy78
04-04-2008, 09:17 PM
Yes on the pension you mean.

Once a State starts to go broke it will offer up early retirements and buyouts. Pennies on the dollar.

Not until they ramshank the "citizens" first. It will be an epic battle of Babylonian will.

Roy Munson
04-04-2008, 09:52 PM
I'm glad I bought before things got out of control...