Anti-Islam Filmmaker Defends His Work

[Vegas]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4549294&page=1

The Dutch lawmaker who made a controversial film that criticizes Islam and the Koran, defended his work after protestors in Pakistan and Europe condemned the movie.

The 17-minute movie, posted on the Internet, shows terrorist attacks and quotes lines from the Koran, Islam's holiest book. Among the quotes from the Koran used in the film are: "When ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks" and "Fight them until there is no dissension."

"The Koran is not an old book somewhere on the shelves that no one is looking at," the film's maker, Geert Wilders, told ABC News. "But this is indeed the base of a lot of terrible things happening throughout the world."

Wilders is the leader of a Dutch anti-immigration party that holds nine seats in the national parliament. He wants the Netherlands to ban all Muslim immigrants and more than that, he wants Muslims to change their ideology, which he likens to Nazism.

"I believe that our culture is far better than the Islamic culture," Wilders said. When pressed on what he meant by "better," Wilders replied, "Well, we have a separation of church and state, we treat women equally."

Friday night, the Web site hosting Wilders' movie, "Fitna," an Arabic word that means discord, said said it had decided to take down the film "following serious threats to our staff."

In the Netherlands and across Europe there is anger. Many Muslims say they feel insulted, but there has been no violence so far.

There have been demonstrations in Pakistan and elsewhere. Anticipating trouble, Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende condemned the movie.

"We believe it serves no purpose other than to cause offence," Balkenende said.

In 2005 violent protests broke out around the world and more than 100 people were killed after a Danish newspaper printed cartoons portraying the Prophet Mohammed.

"I think his message is even worse than those cartoons," said Abdou Bouzerda, who heads the Dutch chapter of the Arab European League. "His political message is that Muslims do not belong here."

For now Dutch Muslim leaders are urging debate and restraint.

Wilders says his film is about freedom of speech and says if it fans the flames of violence, it's not his fault.
"If it unfortunately would happen, of course the people who use this violence, use these non-democratic means, can be the only ones held responsible," he said.

[KinjaKahn]

For now Dutch Muslim leaders are urging debate and restraint.

Debate what? Freedom of speech? The institution of thought police? Legislating likability?

These film makers need to arm themselves with squirt guns filled with pigs blood.

[Reagan Smash]

I find it ironic that many of these same people who are now protesting this film have no problem with Anti-Semitic and Anti-Christian propaganda that is released.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=TrieBhaGgHM

This is a link to the children's show Farfour which features a Mickey Mouse esque character named Farfour. In this last episode, which features a line such as "But I don't know how to liberate this land from the filth of the criminal plundering Jews", Farfour is murdered and martyred after he refuses to hand over documents in exchange for lots of money. These documents were proof that Tel Aviv really belonged to the Muslims.

But, I guess, this is ok.

[ryr8828]

I find it ironic that many of these same people who are now protesting this film have no problem with Anti-Semitic and Anti-Christian propaganda that is released.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=TrieBhaGgHM

This is a link to the children's show Farfour which features a Mickey Mouse esque character named Farfour. In this last episode, which features a line such as "But I don't know how to liberate this land from the filth of the criminal plundering Jews", Farfour is murdered and martyred after he refuses to hand over documents in exchange for lots of money. These documents were proof that Tel Aviv really belonged to the Muslims.

But, I guess, this is ok.

These are the people that Obama, IBC, and most liberals want to negotiate with. When a muslim negotiates peace his own people assassinate him.

[thrasymachus]

These are the people that Obama, IBC, and most liberals want to negotiate with. When a muslim negotiates peace his own people assassinate him.
What if, through negotiation, we could bring an end to terrorism? Would you negotiate then?

[ryr8828]

What if, through negotiation, we could bring an end to terrorism? Would you negotiate then?

You actually see a chance of that, don't you?

I'm not on board with allowing the extermination of Israel, and that's the only negotiated tactic that can work there.

[thrasymachus]

You actually see a chance of that, don't you?

I'm not on board with allowing the extermination of Israel, and that's the only negotiated tactic that can work there.
Whether I see a chance or not is irrelevant.

Hypothetically, if there was a chance of accomplishing an end to terrorism, would you be willing to negotiate?

And why does Israel have any right over that land compared with the Palestinians?

[ryr8828]

Whether I see a chance or not is irrelevant.

Hypothetically, if there was a chance of accomplishing an end to terrorism, would you be willing to negotiate?

And why does Israel have any right over that land compared with the Palestinians?

What do you consider "that land"?

Hasn't Israel handed land back over only to have it used to shoot rockets at them?

Are you saying that the Jews should abandon Israel to the Islamists and all move? Just turn over all of Israel to them?

I have no problem with negotiations, but it's a liberal pipe dream to drum up votes from simple minded people when it comes to Iran, Al Quaeda, Hugo Chavez, Castro.

[Vegas]

And why does Israel have any right over that land compared with the Palestinians?

http://www.factsandlogic.org/ad_03c.html

[thrasymachus]

What do you consider "that land"?

Hasn't Israel handed land back over only to have it used to shoot rockets at them?

Are you saying that the Jews should abandon Israel to the Islamists and all move? Just turn over all of Israel to them?

I have no problem with negotiations, but it's a liberal pipe dream to drum up votes from simple minded people when it comes to Iran, Al Quaeda, Hugo Chavez, Castro.
The land of Israel and the surrounding lands. Why does the Israeli government have any right to it?

[thrasymachus]

http://www.factsandlogic.org/ad_03c.html
What's your point? I'm not going to make it for you.

[Vegas]

What's your point? I'm not going to make it for you.

The point is that you don't know the history of the Palestinians and apparently want to stay willingly ignorant.

[thrasymachus]

The point is that you don't know the history of the Palestinians and apparently want to stay willingly ignorant.
The point is you think posting a link proves your point (a point which I'm not sure is clear or has been clear.) If you're trying to prove my ignorance on Palestinians, posting a link certainly doesn't do that. Maybe I should just try to prove all my points by linking to google and then making you search for yourself to try to figure out what I'm trying to say.

Tell me what you're trying to show by posting that link or don't waste my time. I have better things to do, like read the countless anti-Obama threads on this website.

[ryr8828]

The point is that you don't know the history of the Palestinians and apparently want to stay willingly ignorant.

An anti semite like Jeremiah Wright perhaps? No amount of links or proof would sway him.

[thrasymachus]

An anti semite like Jeremiah Wright perhaps? No amount of links or proof would sway him.
I'm sorry I'm not a Ku Klux Klan member like many of you here.

If we're going to make unsubstantiated accusations, let's have at it.

[ryr8828]

I'm sorry I'm not a Ku Klux Klan member like many of you here.

If we're going to make unsubstantiated accusations, let's have at it.

Ku Klux Klan members don't like Jews either, and you're the only one here that seems to be willing to negotiate their destruction.

[Vegas]

The point is you think posting a link proves your point (a point which I'm not sure is clear or has been clear.) If you're trying to prove my ignorance on Palestinians, posting a link certainly doesn't do that. Maybe I should just try to prove all my points by linking to google and then making you search for yourself to try to figure out what I'm trying to say.

Tell me what you're trying to show by posting that link or don't waste my time. I have better things to do, like read the countless anti-Obama threads on this website.

So I should post like you and simply say that the Palestinians have no legal right to the land that is Israel and leave it at that? Then you'd probably come back and demand a link like IBC, I suppose.

[thrasymachus]

Ku Klux Klan members don't like Jews either, and you're the only one here that seems to be willing to negotiate their destruction.
So, dissolution of Israel = destruction of the Jews?

I know that the dissolution of Israel isn't a realistic goal. I'm also not willing to try to paint Muslims and Arabs as violent animals incapable of reason like you apparently believe they are.

[thrasymachus]

So I should post like you and simply say that the Palestinians have no legal right to the land that is Israel and leave it at that? Then you'd probably come back and demand a link like IBC, I suppose.
I never said Israel has no legal right. I asked where they derive their right to the land.

[thrasymachus]

So, dissolution of Israel = destruction of the Jews?

I know that the dissolution of Israel isn't a realistic goal. I'm also not willing to try to paint Muslims and Arabs as violent animals incapable of reason like you apparently believe they are.
That is to say: Negotiation may work. And the total dissolution of Israel may not be necessary (which would be good thing because it's not going to happen), although I suppose you have some special ability to discover what Palestinians and their leaders want.

[Reagan Smash]

The Democratic Policy: Appease our enemies and screw over our friends.

[thrasymachus]

The Democratic Policy: Appease our enemies and screw over our friends.
Why are the Palestinians our enemies?

[swordfish]

I never said Israel has no legal right. I asked where they derive their right to the land.

Same place USA derives their right to land. Ass whoopins.

In case you think I am joking see Trail of Tears.

[Reagan Smash]

Why are the Palestinians our enemies?

Islamic Fundamentalists are