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rip
03-20-2008, 04:38 PM
I'm studying FOREX quite a bit lately and plan to start DEMO trading with in the next week or so. Considering that I have a finance degree and background, as well as done a bit of day trading with stocks I can pick it up relatively fast, but it is still recommended that you run a DEMO account for a couple of months to see it in action.

Here's a FOREX school that is pretty in depth if anyone is interested:

http://www.babypips.com/school/

If any of you like Charts for investing this is the trading for you. Technical analysis is the bread and butter of this market. Compared to the stock market, FOREX trade over a trillion dollars a day while the stock markets are in the billions.

Some key benefits of FOREX:

Why Trade Foreign Currencies?

There are many benefits and advantages to trading Forex. Here are just a few reasons why so many people are choosing this market:

* No commissions.

No clearing fees, no exchange fees, no government fees, no brokerage fees. Brokers are compensated for their services through something called the bid-ask spread.

* No middlemen.

Spot currency trading eliminates the middlemen, and allows you to trade directly with the market responsible for the pricing on a particular currency pair.

* No fixed lot size.

In the futures markets, lot or contract sizes are determined by the exchanges. A standard-size contract for silver futures is 5000 ounces. In spot Forex, you determine your own lot size. This allows traders to participate with accounts as small as $250 (although we explain later why a $250 account is a bad idea).

* Low transaction costs.

The retail transaction cost (the bid/ask spread) is typically less than 0.1 percent under normal market conditions. At larger dealers, the spread could be as low as .07 percent. Of course this depends on your leverage and all will be explained later.

* A 24-hour market.

There is no waiting for the opening bell - from Sunday evening to Friday afternoon EST, the Forex market never sleeps. This is awesome for those who want to trade on a part-time basis, because you can choose when you want to trade--morning, noon or night.

* No one can corner the market.

The foreign exchange market is so huge and has so many participants that no single entity (not even a central bank) can control the market price for an extended period of time.

* Leverage.

In Forex trading, a small margin deposit can control a much larger total contract value. Leverage gives the trader the ability to make nice profits, and at the same time keep risk capital to a minimum. For example, Forex brokers offer 200 to 1 leverage, which means that a $50 dollar margin deposit would enable a trader to buy or sell $10,000 worth of currencies. Similarly, with $500 dollars, one could trade with $100,000 dollars and so on. But leverage is a double-edged sword. Without proper risk management, this high degree of leverage can lead to large losses as well as gains.

* High Liquidity.

Because the Forex Market is so enormous, it is also extremely liquid. This means that under normal market conditions, with a click of a mouse you can instantaneously buy and sell at will. You are never "stuck" in a trade. You can even set your online trading platform to automatically close your position at your desired profit level (a limit order), and/or close a trade if a trade is going against you (a stop loss order).

* Free “Demo” Accounts, News, Charts, and Analysis.

Most online Forex brokers offer 'demo' accounts to practice trading, along with breaking Forex news and charting services. All free! These are very valuable resources for “poor” and SMART traders who would like to hone their trading skills with 'play' money before opening a live trading account and risking real money.

* “Mini” and “Micro” Trading:

You would think that getting started as a currency trader would cost a ton of money. The fact is, compared to trading stocks, options or futures, it doesn't. Online Forex brokers offer "mini" and “micro” trading accounts, some with a minimum account deposit of $300 or less. Now we're not saying you should open an account with the bare minimum but it does makes Forex much more accessible to the average (poorer) individual who doesn't have a lot of start-up trading capital.

Jiddy78
03-20-2008, 04:49 PM
* No one can corner the market.

The foreign exchange market is so huge and has so many participants that no single entity (not even a central bank) can control the market price for an extended period of time.


Lambs to the slaughter IMO. The one protection vs. currency issues IS the central bank. It's like driving through an unpaved forest.

Good luck. The shysters on wall street have their families and friends around them to worry about...so if they ramshank 'em too much, there's a probability that people will show up with torches and pitchforks...On something like forex, you will lose...and you won't know who to attack afterward.

Lotta power in having the ability to smack the sh*t out of somebody.

You sure about this?

rip
03-20-2008, 04:56 PM
Lambs to the slaughter IMO. The one protection vs. currency issues IS the central bank. It's like driving through an unpaved forest.

Good luck. The shysters on wall street have their families and friends around them to worry about...so if they ramshank 'em too much, there's a probability that people will show up with torches and pitchforks...On something like forex, you will lose...and you won't know who to attack afterward.

Lotta power in having the ability to smack the sh*t out of somebody.

You sure about this?

I'm not a "lamb" so it doesn't worry me. These markets move technically and fundamentally on news just like the stock markets do. Of course I only have to follow 2-3 currency pairs this way instead of 100 stocks in a sector.

The brokerage houses that relay the trading have regulation so it isn't like you are going to get your money jacked from you.

It is system trading more than the stock market. You still have Stop-Loss, and limit options to trade with.

All you are doing is trading currency long and short. As simple as that. If your technical analysis shows the dollar is going to fall against the pound you short it.

It is just like that stock market except the companies you are trading are countries. Trends continue. Don't tell me you haven't been wondering how much money you could have made the last year watching the dollar plummet...lol

There are only about 5-6 currency pairs that are religiously looked at. Most people only trade with the dollar against various other currencies.

domenick2x
03-20-2008, 05:06 PM
"Gimme 40 yen and a ruble!"

rip
03-20-2008, 05:13 PM
"Gimme 40 yen and a ruble!"

In America we have dollars.

In Soviet Russia we have no money!

BoredWithNoSB
03-20-2008, 05:16 PM
Here's an easy one: sell my company short. Even though we've lost 85% of our value in the last 9 months, there's still room to fall. God hates me and chooses to smite any employer of mine.

rip
03-20-2008, 05:18 PM
Here's an easy one: sell my company short. Even though we've lost 85% of our value in the last 9 months, there's still room to fall. God hates me and chooses to smite any employer of mine.


The lower the price the better the percentage gain when it falls or rises...A stock at $5 only has to go to $4 to get the same gain as a company going from $100-$80.

Currencies trade in decimals. You trade $10K-$100K blocks though and a price of $1.2551 moving to $1.2580 is a huge gain.

Jiddy78
03-20-2008, 05:39 PM
I'm not a "lamb" so it doesn't worry me. These markets move technically and fundamentally on news just like the stock markets do. Of course I only have to follow 2-3 currency pairs this way instead of 100 stocks in a sector.

The brokerage houses that relay the trading have regulation so it isn't like you are going to get your money jacked from you.

It is system trading more than the stock market. You still have Stop-Loss, and limit options to trade with.

All you are doing is trading currency long and short. As simple as that. If your technical analysis shows the dollar is going to fall against the pound you short it.

It is just like that stock market except the companies you are trading are countries. Trends continue. Don't tell me you haven't been wondering how much money you could have made the last year watching the dollar plummet...lol

There are only about 5-6 currency pairs that are religiously looked at. Most people only trade with the dollar against various other currencies.

I really don't fret too much about opportunity cost anymore. I'm so far ahead of the game that there's no reason to. It'll be smooth sailing unless there's a complete unwinding...and well, if that happened, opportunity cost would be moot.

Jiddy78
03-20-2008, 05:43 PM
Here's an easy one: sell my company short. Even though we've lost 85% of our value in the last 9 months, there's still room to fall. God hates me and chooses to smite any employer of mine.

I see a correlation.

domenick2x
03-20-2008, 06:00 PM
I really don't fret too much about opportunity cost anymore. I'm so far ahead of the game that there's no reason to. It'll be smooth sailing unless there's a complete unwinding...and well, if that happened, opportunity cost would be moot.
Translation: Jiddy is investing in real estate.

Jiddy78
03-20-2008, 06:04 PM
Translation: Jiddy is investing in real estate.

Ya know...It is somewhat funny...A foreclosure not too far from me went for 75k last week...Drop about 10 grand into it and you could probably pull 800-900 per month from the sucker in rent...3 bed 2 bath...I just don't want that headache right now...and there's a gajillion more on the horizon...Still too much...I bet they hit 50k. I'll be there...With cash if I choose to be....and plenty of sh*tboxes will be there beggin' for my love with walmart-slashed prices....

Jiddy78
03-20-2008, 06:07 PM
Ya know...It is somewhat funny...A foreclosure not too far from me went for 75k last week...Drop about 10 grand into it and you could probably pull 800-900 per month from the sucker in rent...3 bed 2 bath...I just don't want that headache right now...and there's a gajillion more on the horizon...Still too much...I bet they hit 50k. I'll be there...With cash if I choose to be....and plenty of sh*tboxes will be there beggin' for my love with walmart-slashed prices....

Oh...One thing I won't be doing is trading currencies with full-time poker players from around the world.

I've said before...Trading has a significantly poor success rate....and I've got oodles and oodles of capital loss carryovers to prove it in our office...Much less playing the game with f*cking chindians on the other side.....

domenick2x
03-20-2008, 06:07 PM
Ya know...It is somewhat funny...A foreclosure not too far from me went for 75k last week...Drop about 10 grand into it and you could probably pull 800-900 per month from the sucker in rent...3 bed 2 bath...I just don't want that headache right now...and there's a gajillion more on the horizon...Still too much...I bet they hit 50k. I'll be there...With cash if I choose to be....and plenty of sh*tboxes will be there beggin' for my love with walmart-slashed prices....
Two dolla!

Jiddy78
03-20-2008, 06:09 PM
Two dolla!

I assume you mean the bank pays me that. ;)

The fall of the thing is amazing.

I look online to the public records to see what kind of debt is on the sh*tboxes in my town, neighborhood etc....It's f*cking scary as sh*t. You can see the trail of refinance tears...

domenick2x
03-20-2008, 06:23 PM
I assume you mean the bank pays me that. ;)

The fall of the thing is amazing.

I look online to the public records to see what kind of debt is on the sh*tboxes in my town, neighborhood etc....It's f*cking scary as sh*t. You can see the trail of refinance tears...
"Your Dollar is weak! HIII-YA!"

http://re3.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/25/f11/112869523

Jiddy78
03-20-2008, 06:26 PM
"Your Dollar is weak! HIII-YA!"

http://re3.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/25/f11/112869523

It'll come back after we have this real estate deflationary cleansing....I saw enough in Europe to gather that they aren't much different....I would bet in 10 years the dollar is within 20 cents of the Euro again....if not closer. Of course, that's just my view of the thing based on what I saw of the actions of the European people. The materialism was sick over there just like it is here. I really need to see more areas. China would be great.

rip
03-20-2008, 10:03 PM
Oh...One thing I won't be doing is trading currencies with full-time poker players from around the world.

I've said before...Trading has a significantly poor success rate....and I've got oodles and oodles of capital loss carryovers to prove it in our office...Much less playing the game with f*cking chindians on the other side.....

Poor success is for people who have real jobs and can't study it. People who aren't in the 90 IQ range, have math skills, and a bit of time to study the markets don't lose their ass.

Markets have better hedging than real estate, and you can't argue with th eliquidity. I can get out of a bad holding in 2 seconds. With a house I'm dropping mad cash just to fix it, dealing with asshole renters, and fighting a market that I can't sell it in because everyone is broke.

Vegas
03-20-2008, 10:06 PM
Poor success is for people who have real jobs and can't study it. People who aren't in the 90 IQ range, have math skills, and a bit of time to study the markets don't lose their ass.

Markets have better hedging than real estate, and you can't argue with th eliquidity. I can get out of a bad holding in 2 seconds. With a house I'm dropping mad cash just to fix it, dealing with asshole renters, and fighting a market that I can't sell it in because everyone is broke.

You make a lot of good points, but jiddy will probably call you a Babylonian speculator.

rip
03-20-2008, 10:12 PM
You make a lot of good points, but jiddy will probably call you a Babylonian speculator.

lol...I know Jiddy is a jaded investor. I'm just trying to rile him up and get him excited about his real estate business.

Jiddy78
03-20-2008, 10:41 PM
Poor success is for people who have real jobs and can't study it. People who aren't in the 90 IQ range, have math skills, and a bit of time to study the markets don't lose their ass.

Markets have better hedging than real estate, and you can't argue with th eliquidity. I can get out of a bad holding in 2 seconds. With a house I'm dropping mad cash just to fix it, dealing with asshole renters, and fighting a market that I can't sell it in because everyone is broke.

The market for stocks and foreign currency is margined on real estate to a good tune at this point...You're f*cked either way.

And I have plenty o' "intelligent" folk who have tons of time on their hand...The odds are still against them...and it shows in the results.

rip
03-20-2008, 10:48 PM
The market for stocks and foreign currency is margined on real estate to a good tune at this point...You're f*cked either way.

And I have plenty o' "intelligent" folk who have tons of time on their hand...The odds are still against them...and it shows in the results.


That's just people who like to only hold long positions. There are so many other ways to make trades. Every situation has a counter situation to it that you can hedge with.

I used to be a broker so I know what people who think they know what they are doing do.

The average "smart investor" doesn't do shit other than look at what the earnings report says, and watch the news. Then they take tips from people who are paid to make up ratings. They probably have about 3 numbers related to an investment they ever study and that is what they call "technical" research.

This stuff isn't exactly easy. That is why people get paid to do it for you. Even most brokers don't know what the hell they are doing because all they are is glorified salesman.

You would understand value investing more than most people would though. That would be the only type of stock investing I would do. It is driven almost solely by numbers. Much less with news. Even so it still follows a lot of trends.

Total immersion into the study of the ins and outs of a market is how to win in it. You can hedge very well in these markets if you dig under the hood more than just what reporters share.