Coldest Winter Since 2001

[Ed Who?]

NOAA: Coolest Winter Since 2001 for U.S., Globe (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080313_coolest.html)

Look out, we're going into an ice age now.

[ryr8828]

NOAA: Coolest Winter Since 2001 for U.S., Globe (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080313_coolest.html)

Look out, we're going into an ice age now.

Since this doesn't support global warming theory, it must be weather instead of climate.

[Jiddy78]

My house isn't floating yet. That's a positive.

[Ed Who?]

Since this doesn't support global warming theory, it must be weather instead of climate.

They're still waiting on data to make a pronouncement about the year 2007 though.

Yeah, that's it.

[BambinoBear]

NOAA: Coolest Winter Since 2001 for U.S., Globe (http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080313_coolest.html)

Look out, we're going into an ice age now.

Global cooling!!!!!

On a serious note its because we have been made aware of what we are doing to the environment, and now that we have changed our ways we have had a positive effect on the environment.:rolleyes:

[IBC]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png

[Ed Who?]

How's that Kool-Aid tasting, IBC? Keep trotting out the charts, it's pretty amusing to watch someone hanging onto their Envirocommunist dreams.

[pnkpanther]

Global warming doesnt exisit

it exisit but it's not our fault

so now republicans and anti-science folk are back to it doesnt exisit?

it was cold outside, therefore, no warming.

it doenst matter then first freeze is coming later and later and first thaw is coming sooner and sooner or anything.

[Ed Who?]

Global warming doesnt exisit

it exisit but it's not our fault

so now republicans and anti-science folk are back to it doesnt exisit?

it was cold outside, therefore, no warming.

it doenst matter then first freeze is coming later and later and first thaw is coming sooner and sooner or anything.

The planet was warming. We had little to nothing to do with it.

Politicians flitter in the wind, it's called CYA. Trust them not.

[pnkpanther]

So working to put less pollutants in the air is a bad thing?

we should be able to dump what we want into the air?

[Vegas]

So working to put less pollutants in the air is a bad thing?

we should be able to dump what we want into the air?

Yes! Conservatives want dirty air and dirty water! Thanks for reminding us yet again.

[IBC]

The planet was warming. We had little to nothing to do with it.

Politicians flitter in the wind, it's called CYA. Trust them not.

Politicians. lol.

[Vegas]

Politicians. lol.

You're still stuck on the idea that the science is settled and that there is no question remaining just like your buddy algore says. LOL

[IBC]

You're still stuck on the idea that the science is settled and that there is no question remaining just like your buddy algore says. LOL

Yep, algore. Nobody ever would have bought this mess if it wasn't for him.

[pnkpanther]

Yes! Conservatives want dirty air and dirty water! Thanks for reminding us yet again.

conservative voters? No

the people they elect into office. Not really, but they'd sooner cater to big business then protect the Enviroment.

Yes yes, nixon did some wonderful things to get us started on right track, republicans have dropped the ball since.

remove the political element from global warming, people who believe in it, just want cleaner air and reduced pollution, it may have no effect on the weather, but I cant imagine it's bad thing. So why spend so much effort in fighting the theory of global warming. We're only asking for less toxins released in the air, and attempt to find a renewable energy source. Fossil fuels, despite what apparently many seem to think, will not last forever.

[IBC]

Why don't you get your lists of scientists out? Better yet, lets see who attanded the recent conference? Would you all like to talk about who is behind the "science" on your side yet again?

[ryr8828]

conservative voters? No

the people they elect into office. Not really, but they'd sooner cater to big business then protect the Enviroment.

Yes yes, nixon did some wonderful things to get us started on right track, republicans have dropped the ball since.

remove the political element from global warming, people who believe in it, just want cleaner air and reduced pollution, it may have no effect on the weather, but I cant imagine it's bad thing. So why spend so much effort in fighting the theory of global warming. We're only asking for less toxins released in the air, and attempt to find a renewable energy source. Fossil fuels, despite what apparently many seem to think, will not last forever.

So you believe that a lie is ok so long as you achieve the desired result.

[IBC]

conservative voters? No

the people they elect into office. Not really, but they'd sooner cater to big business then protect the Enviroment.

Yes yes, nixon did some wonderful things to get us started on right track, republicans have dropped the ball since.

remove the political element from global warming, people who believe in it, just want cleaner air and reduced pollution, it may have no effect on the weather, but I cant imagine it's bad thing. So why spend so much effort in fighting the theory of global warming. We're only asking for less toxins released in the air, and attempt to find a renewable energy source. Fossil fuels, despite what apparently many seem to think, will not last forever.
The better questions are:
1. Who is supporting financially the anti-climate change movement.
2. Who stands to benefit from the doubt created by those who are denying climate change.

[IBC]

So you believe that a lie is ok so long as you achieve the desired result.

Almost every single climate scientist is lying? Lying?

[Vegas]

conservative voters? No

the people they elect into office. Not really, but they'd sooner cater to big business then protect the Enviroment.

Yes yes, nixon did some wonderful things to get us started on right track, republicans have dropped the ball since.

remove the political element from global warming, people who believe in it, just want cleaner air and reduced pollution, it may have no effect on the weather, but I cant imagine it's bad thing. So why spend so much effort in fighting the theory of global warming. We're only asking for less toxins released in the air, and attempt to find a renewable energy source. Fossil fuels, despite what apparently many seem to think, will not last forever.

Catering to big business is a Republican thing? Why are so many execs of Fortune 500 companies donating to Democrats?

Everyone wants cleaner air and reduced pollution. Everyone wants a renewable energy source. But to impose radical changes based on a theory backed up by models that can't predict past weather is ridiculous.

[Vegas]

The better questions are:
1. Who is supporting financially the anti-climate change movement.
2. Who stands to benefit from the doubt created by those who are denying climate change.

There you go again with the big oil money corrupts every single scientist that isn't in the algore camp. It's a myth. There's plenty of government money going to the alarmist scientists. Plenty of money. But in your book they're the noble ones fighting a battle against evil.

[IBC]

There you go again with the big oil money corrupts every single scientist that isn't in the algore camp. It's a myth. There's plenty of government money going to the alarmist scientists. Plenty of money. But in your book they're the noble ones fighting a battle against evil.

Ok, list the scientists not in the algore camp. Who are some prominent ones? I will show where tehy get there money no problem.

[pnkpanther]

So you believe that a lie is ok so long as you achieve the desired result.

I believe global warming is happening, I do question man's impact on global warming and our ability to slow it down and stop it.

At one time my home state was completely covered in Ice. It's warmed before.

But none the less, there is no argument you can make where I go, yeah, reducing how much pollutant's we put in the air is BAD.

[Vegas]

Ok, list the scientists not in the algore camp. Who are some prominent ones? I will show where tehy get there money no problem.

Do you care about where the money comes from to sponsor the alarmist crowd? Or do you care how much money goes to them?

[IBC]

Do you care about where the money comes from to sponsor the alarmist crowd? Or do you care how much money goes to them?

Alarmist crowd.

Yes I do, and I am not afraid of the results. Bring it on. This si a debate I would love to have.... again.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png

[IBC]

Alarmist crowd.

Yes I do, and I am not afraid of the results. Bring it on. This si a debate I would love to have.... again.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png

That is adjusted after the Hockey Stick Controversy.

[Ed Who?]

So working to put less pollutants in the air is a bad thing?

we should be able to dump what we want into the air?

You mean like tons of hot air purporting opinions about global warming to be fact?

[IBC]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png/280px-Instrumental_Temperature_Record.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png/280px-Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png

See the downward outliers? Happens all the time. However the trend is clear. Crystal clear.

[Vegas]

How could this winter have possibly been colder when we've added so much of that nasty CO2 into the atmosphere? How can the alarmists be taken seriously when their models can't predict past temperatures?

[Ed Who?]

That is adjusted after the Hockey Stick Controversy.

It's really too bad that Algore wasn't alive right around 1000 AD, we'd probably all be around smoking pot together and swapping wives and husbands with each other on the fertile plain.

[Ed Who?]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png/280px-Instrumental_Temperature_Record.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png/280px-Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png

See the downward outliers? Happens all the time. However the trend is clear. Crystal clear.

You and your liberal friends sure hope so.

I hear crow tastes like chicken.

[Vegas]

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/7390_large_hadcrut.jpg

[IBC]

You mean like tons of hot air purporting opinions about global warming to be fact?

C'mon Ed. Give me a different graph buddy. Show me how it isn't getting warmer.

Remember when we got to the point where it was getting warmer and there wasn't an argument? You guys were just saying it was from the sun. Then that didn't hold up, so it had to be something else because it wasn't CO2. I could hear ya. I was curious. But we have a couple cold months and you come back here. Guys, I am no expert, but this is ridiculous. It is and has clearly been getting warmer. Temperatures fluctuate, absolutely, and some areas are actually predicted to get colder. However, it doesn't mean nothing is happening and nobody iis buying that line of crap.

[IBC]

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/7390_large_hadcrut.jpg

Not a good period to study. 10 years. It makes for an intersting graph. But just look at the last 30 on the graph I put up. Averages and trends are everything. Can't do that in 10 years Vegas.

[Vegas]

Not a good period to study. 10 years. It makes for an intersting graph. But just look at the last 30 on the graph I put up.

I guess it's not a good period to study, because it goes against your predefined idea. We've increased the CO2 in the atmosphere, but the temperature went down.

[Ed Who?]

C'mon Ed. Give me a different graph buddy. Show me how it isn't getting warmer.

Prove to me that this isn't just the earth's normal warming and cooling cycle. Show me some data from before 0 AD that proves that the earth has never been warmer.

[IBC]

I guess it's not a good period to study, because it goes against your predefined idea. We've increased the CO2 in the atmosphere, but the temperature went down.

No, because it is 10 years. Hard to look at 5 year trends over 10 years. It suits your needs, but I think you know that no scientist would use 10 years Vegas. In fact, I know that you realize that.

[Ed Who?]

Not a good period to study. 10 years. It makes for an intersting graph. But just look at the last 30 on the graph I put up. Averages and trends are everything. Can't do that in 10 years Vegas.

Yes, the preferred period is 2000 years. Can't be any shorter, and SURE AS SHIT can't go any deeper into history, either.

[Vegas]

Prove to me that this isn't just the earth's normal warming and cooling cycle. Show me some data from before 0 AD that proves that the earth has never been warmer.

That's a ridiculous request. You can't prove to anyone that whatever warming trend is caused by CO2. It's still a theory based on models that can't predict past temperatures.

[Ed Who?]

No, because it is 10 years. Hard to look at 5 year trends over 10 years. It suits your needs, but I think you know that no scientist would use 10 years Vegas. In fact, I know that you realize that.

By the way, correct my math if I'm wrong, but isn't that a 20 year graph?

Guess I'm just not a scientist.

Wait, yes I am.

[IBC]

Yes, the preferred period is 2000 years. Can't be any shorter, and SURE AS SHIT can't go any deeper into history, either.

Or 150. Or 50.

[IBC]

By the way, correct my math if I'm wrong, but isn't that a 20 year graph?

Guess I'm just not a scientist.

Wait, yes I am.

Yes, I suppose it is. Would you, recommend as a scientist, that we use one winter out of 20 years? Answer this please Ed.

[Jiddy78]

By the way, correct my math if I'm wrong, but isn't that a 20 year graph?

Guess I'm just not a scientist.

Wait, yes I am.

I would give you a bang-a-rang, but you refused to send me a raft upon the global warming apocalypse...so you get nothing.

[Ed Who?]

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/giss-jan08-520.png

Sure makes things look a lot different that Extremist Gore's graph did.

[Vegas]

I would give you a bang-a-rang, but you refused to send me a raft upon the global warming apocalypse...so you get nothing.

Why would someone that doesn't believe in that coming apocalypse send you a raft?

[Ed Who?]

Why would someone that doesn't believe in that coming apocalypse send you a raft?

Well, some people believed that their rock was a pet too.

I'm sure E! will look back in 20 years and lampoon this like bellbottoms and Rubik's Cube.

[Vegas]

Well, some people believed that their rock was a pet too.

I'm sure E! will look back in 20 years and lampoon this like bellbottoms and Rubik's Cube.

Rubik's Cube is still a great puzzle.

[MTVike]

Well, some people believed that their rock was a pet too.

I'm sure E! will look back in 20 years and lampoon this like bellbottoms and Rubik's Cube.

You had me at bloviate.

[Roy Munson]

Why would someone that doesn't believe in that coming apocalypse send you a raft?
Wait, he's not saying the warming doesn't exist, just that we're not causing it.

How could we?

Not possible.

[Roy Munson]

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/giss-jan08-520.png

Sure makes things look a lot different that Extremist Gore's graph did.
So lets get a prediction from you on where that red line goes next year... down or up?


I think its as I've predicted before, we're holding off the Earth's next ice age. Its trying to cool down and we won't let it.

[Ed Who?]

So lets get a prediction from you on where that red line goes next year... down or up?


I think its as I've predicted before, we're holding off the Earth's next ice age. Its trying to cool down and we won't let it.

The last thing I want to do is construe my point to be that I think temperatures are going to drop. My opinion is that the temperature is an independent data point, the only reason I even care is that the price of the goods I purchase will undoubtedly go up because a group of people who "care about the environment" (who coincidently also seem to be fans of Socialist policies) want only the United States to reform.

[Roy Munson]

The last thing I want to do is construe my point to be that I think temperatures are going to drop. My opinion is that the temperature is an independent data point, the only reason I even care is that the price of the goods I purchase will undoubtedly go up because a group of people who "care about the environment" (who coincidently also seem to be fans of Socialist policies) want only the United States to reform.
Please tell me how AMERICAN citizens change policies in China? Or hell, you pick the country.

Ethanol is one reason for the increase, but I thought the war on corn and its deadly syrup has meant that people aren't eating products with corn in them anyway. Costs of your food are going up because the cost to make and transport them is going up.

[LSU]

Please tell me how AMERICAN citizens change policies in China? Or hell, you pick the country.

Ethanol is one reason for the increase, but I thought the war on corn and its deadly syrup has meant that people aren't eating products with corn in them anyway. Costs of your food are going up because the cost to make and transport them is going up.



...and because there's less migrant workers to pick the food.

Seriously. There was an article in the local paper a week or so ago about how crab processors can't find enough migrant workers for seasonal work because shit in Congress is all screwed up and they've taken away a lot of the temporary work visas that are given for migrant workers to come into the states, perform some seasonal work, and then go home. Less workers = less work, and less production. And perhaps paying more to Americans to do the job, IF they end up filling the gap.