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IBC
02-18-2008, 06:18 PM
Wall Street’s role in housing meltdown probed
State, cities go to court and may pave way for private suits
The Associated Press
updated 5:07 p.m. ET, Mon., Feb. 18, 2008

BOSTON - Regulators are trying to punish Wall Street for mortgage finance practices that expanded home ownership and spread risk among a host of new players — but also may have duped borrowers and investors who supplied cash to fuel a housing boom that's turned bust.

A handful of state securities regulators and a couple foreclosure-blighted cities have fired the opening shots with lawsuits trying to prove that investment banks and big lenders are guilty of more than just bad business decisions and failing to foresee looming mortgage troubles. Some regulators say greed and fraud underlie much of the subprime mortgage mess that has spread across the broader housing market, triggering a spike in foreclosures.

Aside from the civil cases, the FBI is looking at possible criminal action, focusing on what Wall Street firms knew about the risks of mortgage securities backed by subprime loans, and whether they hid risks from investors.

Observers don't expect the financial penalties that regulators extract in the civil cases to be massive. But the cases could turn up evidence that forces Wall Street to defend itself amid growing talk of government help to ease subprime-related financial strains on bond insurers. Revelations of bad behavior turned up by the government also could spur private investors to file even more lawsuits than the hundreds they've already brought to recover losses.

"This could get a lot nastier, for many reasons," said John Akula, a business law lecturer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Sloan School of Management. "Prolonged close scrutiny often turns up all kinds of dubious practices that in normal times are under the radar.

"If the government sponsors any kind of bailout with public funds, this may be coupled with an aggressive prosecutorial agenda in support of efforts to get private parties to kick in."

Although the foreclosure-blighted cities of Cleveland and Baltimore have sued seeking to recover damages from mortgage lenders, most of the cases filed so far are from regulators alleging violations of state securities laws.

Attorneys general in New York and Ohio are targeting alleged systematic inflation of home appraisals by major lenders and appraisal firms. Litigation in Massachusetts and other states seeks to demonstrate that investment banks failed to disclose risks to investors who bought mortgage-related securities and weren't up front about conflicts of interest across their far-flung financial operations, including trading of subprime investments.

"Over the years, the relationship between lender and borrower and a particular piece of property has been severed," said Massachusetts Secretary of State William Galvin. "It's clear that it's become a runaway train."

Gone are the days when most borrowers simply got loans from the neighborhood bank, which used to hold the bulk of mortgage risk. Now that risk is spread further — mortgages are bundled together and sold to investors. Behind the scenes, credit-rating agencies offer advice on whether the investments are secure.

Until recently, cash from Wall Street banks and investors extended growing amounts of credit to low- and middle-income Americans enticed to enter a market when home prices appeared headed nowhere but up.

Lenders wrote $625 billion in subprime mortgages in 2005, nearly four times the total in 2001. The boom brought in big fees to mortgage brokers, lenders, banks and ratings agencies.

But now that prices are dropping, those players are hurting. Global banks have ousted executives and have written off nearly $150 billion since mortgage securities began collapsing last summer.

Given the losses, "It's doubtful some of these entities will repeat their performance," Galvin said. "But I think there needs to be an understanding of how we got where we are, whether that is through regulatory action, or through Congress."

States have responded by tightening rules governing how lenders and brokers arrange mortgages and are compensated. But lawsuits and administrative complaints are the main tools regulators use to seek fines against companies accused of wrongdoing, or to set examples to deter bad behavior.

"What they can't enforce through regulation, they will try to accomplish through suing," said David Bizar, a Hartford, Conn.-based attorney with the firm McCarter & English who defends against subprime mortgage lawsuits brought by consumers and regulators.

Already, the number of subprime-related cases filed in federal courts is outpacing the rate of litigation that emerged from the savings and loan meltdown in the late 1980s and early '90s, according to a study released Thursday.

The 278 subprime cases filed in federal courts in 2007 already equals half of the total 559 S&L cases handled over multiple years, according to the findings from Navigant Consulting Inc.

Criminal action also could be looming. The FBI said last month it was investigating 14 companies for possible accounting fraud, insider trading or other violations that could result in criminal charges. The FBI didn't identify companies but said the probe involves firms across the financial services industry.

The FBI is working with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which has civil enforcement powers. The SEC said in January that it had about three dozen active investigations under way.

In the rush to sue big business, there's plenty of blame to go around in the subprime meltdown, said Bizar, the lawyer who has represented lenders in subprime cases. Those include everyone from investors buying mortgage-related investments without understanding the risks, to credit-rating agencies that failed to alert investors to lenders' precarious positions as mortgage delinquencies spiked.

But the mess can be blamed more on unrealistic expectations than fraud, he said.

"You had a lot of people reaching to get into homes they couldn't afford, on the theory that it would go up in value," Bizar said.

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Jiddy78
02-18-2008, 10:00 PM
No...I already told you that the entire thing was just greed and fraud...I see no reason why any part of the equation (buyer, seller, banker, politicians, realtors, brokers, chindians) should get helped like Obama the fraud rewarder wants....

The market and contract law allow for these dopes to throw the keys on the table....Just let 'em do it and let the banks eat it....Obama wasting my tax dollars to solve this is f*cking stupidity...You don't have to solve something that is already in the process of solving itself...What he should do is focus on what is going to happen to all these crackhouses with gutted copper pipes and counterless kitchens.....

Vegas
02-18-2008, 10:01 PM
Obama wasting my tax dollars to solve this is f*cking stupidity...You don't have to solve something that is already in the process of solving itself...What he should do is focus on what is going to happen to all these crackhouses with gutted copper pipes and counterless kitchens.....

Do you think tax dollars can solve this problem (regardless of whether they are authorized by B. Hussein Obama or anyone else)??

Jiddy78
02-18-2008, 10:05 PM
Do you think tax dollars can solve this problem (regardless of whether they are authorized by B. Hussein Obama or anyone else)??

No. I think our 401k dollars will...Who else do you think is borrowing these 30 year notes at 4.5? No sane investor would tie up their money for 30 years at that rate with the massive amount of inflation during the boomer years....unless you could get a group of them and dupe them...Hence...Kiss my ass goodbye come retirement....but I keep paying the pittance....At least I beat 'em on some juice....:)

Vegas
02-18-2008, 10:09 PM
No. I think our 401k dollars will...Who else do you think is borrowing these 30 year notes at 4.5? No sane investor would tie up their money for 30 years at that rate with the massive amount of inflation during the boomer years....unless you could get a group of them and dupe them...Hence...Kiss my ass goodbye come retirement....but I keep paying the pittance....At least I beat 'em on some juice....:)

There are obviously people who are willing to buy real estate bonds at current yields or nobody would be writing loans at current rates.

And if you invest in the stock market over the long haul, you'll beat inflation and outperform all other investments and can retire comfortably.

Jiddy78
02-18-2008, 10:16 PM
There are obviously people who are willing to buy real estate bonds at current yields or nobody would be writing loans at current rates.

And if you invest in the stock market over the long haul, you'll beat inflation and outperform all other investments and can retire comfortably.

When Slick Al is referring to it in obtuse words like "conundrum" to define the bond market...Somebody is going to suck some major wind...and if you think it's strictly individual investors purchasing these mbs, pass me the bong.

Vegas
02-18-2008, 10:19 PM
When Slick Al is referring to it in obtuse words like "conundrum" to define the bond market...Somebody is going to suck some major wind...and if you think it's strictly individual investors purchasing these mbs, pass me the bong.

It's individual investors in a very indirect way, is it not? Those who think their money is invested in safer, more stable bonds in funds are the ones putting up their money at the current rates long term. Most don't know it, but they have only themselves to blame for not reading the prospectus.

IBC
02-18-2008, 10:22 PM
No...I already told you that the entire thing was just greed and fraud...I see no reason why any part of the equation (buyer, seller, banker, politicians, realtors, brokers, chindians) should get helped like Obama the fraud rewarder wants....

The market and contract law allow for these dopes to throw the keys on the table....Just let 'em do it and let the banks eat it....Obama wasting my tax dollars to solve this is f*cking stupidity...You don't have to solve something that is already in the process of solving itself...What he should do is focus on what is going to happen to all these crackhouses with gutted copper pipes and counterless kitchens.....
I think he has a plan for that too :D

Jiddy78
02-18-2008, 10:23 PM
I think he has a plan for that too :D

I apologize in advance for low-grade humor:

Campaign headquarters?

IBC
02-18-2008, 10:24 PM
I apologize in advance for low-grade humor:

Campaign headquarters?
LOL. Very low grade sir. Shall I give you the website?

swordfish
02-18-2008, 10:25 PM
No...I already told you that the entire thing was just greed and fraud...I see no reason why any part of the equation (buyer, seller, banker, politicians, realtors, brokers, chindians) should get helped like Obama the fraud rewarder wants....

The market and contract law allow for these dopes to throw the keys on the table....Just let 'em do it and let the banks eat it....Obama wasting my tax dollars to solve this is f*cking stupidity...You don't have to solve something that is already in the process of solving itself...What he should do is focus on what is going to happen to all these crackhouses with gutted copper pipes and counterless kitchens.....

I think he has a plan for that too :D

Legalize crack?

Roy Munson
02-18-2008, 11:32 PM
Legalize crack?
as long as it doesn't cut into the prescription narcotics business...

Jiddy78
02-19-2008, 07:12 AM
It's individual investors in a very indirect way, is it not? Those who think their money is invested in safer, more stable bonds in funds are the ones putting up their money at the current rates long term. Most don't know it, but they have only themselves to blame for not reading the prospectus.


Muley's son (Hollis Jewell): Who's fault is it?
Agent: You know who owns the land. The Shawnee Land and Cattle Company.
Muley: And who's the Shawnee Land and Cattle Company
Agent: It ain't nobody. It's a company.
Muley's son: They got a President, ain't they? They got somebody who knows what a shotgun's for, ain't they?
Agent: Oh son, it ain't his fault, because the bank tells him what to do.
Muley's son: All right, where's the bank?
Agent: Tulsa. What's the use of pickin' on him? He ain't nothin' but the manager. And he's half-crazy hisself tryin' to keep up with his orders from the East.
Muley: Then who do we shoot?
Agent: Brother, I don't know. If I did, I'd tell ya. I just don't know who's to blame

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