View Full Version : Spurrier calls for removal of Confederate flag
BambinoBear
04-16-2007, 02:58 PM
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) - The Confederate flag shouldn't fly at the Statehouse, South Carolina football coach Steve Spurrier said Saturday after the Gamecocks' annual spring game.
Spurrier's comments came in response to questions about something he said Friday night when he received an award from a volunteer organization. According to people at that event, Spurrier said the flag should come down.
"My opinion is we don't need the Confederate flag at our Capitol," Spurrier said Saturday. "I don't really know anybody that wants it there, but I guess there are a lot of South Carolinians that do want it there."
City Year board chairman Kerry Abel said Spurrier's remarks at his group's awards banquet Friday night caught everyone by surprise.
Jenna Micklash, who attended the event, said the coach's comments came as he accepted a citizenship award from the group, which encourages young people to take on community improvement projects.
Micklash said Spurrier prefaced his remarks by saying the event wasn't supposed to be political and said that he doesn't usually get a chance to talk to as diverse a crowd as was at the awards ceremony.
"I think everybody got kind of excited about" bringing down the flag, Micklash said later Friday. "It was one of the coolest moments I've seen."
Spurrier's predecessor, Lou Holtz, joined Clemson's football coach Tommy Bowden and both schools' basketball coaches in calling for the flag to be removed from the Capitol dome in 2000, when the NAACP started a boycott of the state.
The flag was removed from the dome in 2000, but placed at the Confederate Soldier Monument on Statehouse grounds. The state chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People said that was not good enough and continued its boycott. The initial boycott drew wide support from inside and outside the state, but encouragement for the ongoing effort has waned in recent years.
Spurrier said Saturday that no one had asked him his opinion of the flag in the two seasons he has coached at South Carolina.
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/6684398
Vegas
04-16-2007, 03:00 PM
It's nice that someone (of course not a politician) can speak up and say the right thing about that issue.
It's nice that someone (of course not a politician) can speak up and say the right thing about that issue.
I agree.
BambinoBear
04-16-2007, 03:06 PM
It's nice that someone (of course not a politician) can speak up and say the right thing about that issue.
I agree.
The sad thing is I can see that flag appearing even more now at any game South Carolina plays
pnkpanther
04-16-2007, 04:02 PM
i fully agree, i dont know why this is a contested issue...
fly an Islamic flag over SC state house and watch all the red necks get in an uproar
They fly this one around LSU. The whole U has come out against it asking people to not fly it on gamedays, but they don't force people to take it down...
http://www.blackcollegewire.org/news/051031_lsu-flag-protest/lsuflag.jpg
'Lifer
04-16-2007, 04:32 PM
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) - The Confederate flag shouldn't fly at the Statehouse, South Carolina football coach Steve Spurrier said Saturday after the Gamecocks' annual spring game.
Spurrier's comments came in response to questions about something he said Friday night when he received an award from a volunteer organization. According to people at that event, Spurrier said the flag should come down.
"My opinion is we don't need the Confederate flag at our Capitol," Spurrier said Saturday. "I don't really know anybody that wants it there, but I guess there are a lot of South Carolinians that do want it there."
City Year board chairman Kerry Abel said Spurrier's remarks at his group's awards banquet Friday night caught everyone by surprise.
Jenna Micklash, who attended the event, said the coach's comments came as he accepted a citizenship award from the group, which encourages young people to take on community improvement projects.
Micklash said Spurrier prefaced his remarks by saying the event wasn't supposed to be political and said that he doesn't usually get a chance to talk to as diverse a crowd as was at the awards ceremony.
"I think everybody got kind of excited about" bringing down the flag, Micklash said later Friday. "It was one of the coolest moments I've seen."
Spurrier's predecessor, Lou Holtz, joined Clemson's football coach Tommy Bowden and both schools' basketball coaches in calling for the flag to be removed from the Capitol dome in 2000, when the NAACP started a boycott of the state.
The flag was removed from the dome in 2000, but placed at the Confederate Soldier Monument on Statehouse grounds. The state chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People said that was not good enough and continued its boycott. The initial boycott drew wide support from inside and outside the state, but encouragement for the ongoing effort has waned in recent years.
Spurrier said Saturday that no one had asked him his opinion of the flag in the two seasons he has coached at South Carolina.
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/6684398
What would Al do?
Vegas
04-16-2007, 04:52 PM
What would Al do?
Which Al?
BoredWithNoSB
04-16-2007, 05:45 PM
Which Al?
Sharpton: Boycott South Carolina and demand financial redress for the state's offended population.
Gore: Demand all the flags be burned for energy.
Bundy: Waive it.
Vegas
04-16-2007, 05:53 PM
Sharpton: Boycott South Carolina and demand financial redress for the state's offended population.
Gore: Demand all the flags be burned for energy.
Bundy: Waive it.
Very well done, man. Very well.
Jiddy78
04-16-2007, 08:34 PM
Sharpton: Boycott South Carolina and demand financial redress for the state's offended population.
Gore: Demand all the flags be burned for energy.
Bundy: Waive it.
You forgot my favorite one:
Greenspan: Ensure it is worth 1 million dollars.
Iron Jaw
04-16-2007, 09:50 PM
That's a pretty touchy issue in South Carolina. Elections are won or lost on that issue.
From 1996-99, I was assigned to the Border Patrol Academy as a Physical Techniques Instructor - the academy was in Charleston, SC (great town). In 1998, there was a Governor election and one of the prime issues was the flag.
The two candidates, David Beasley (R) and James Hodges (D) battled over the issue. Beasley, the incumbent, supported removing the Confederate Flag from the state flag. Hodges, trailing in the polls, jumped at the opportunity to dismantle Beasley and supported keeping the flag as one of SC's honored traditions.
South Carolina is a Republican state, and has been for quite some time (since the slow dismantling of the "southern democrats" began in the 70's). Hodges is a Democrat. A more modern dem in most categories. But the flag issue was on his side, and brought back memories of the old "Southern Dem" south (ala, George Wallace, Charles Griffin, Millard Tidings, Lester Maddox, etc.). The Republican Beasley went against it.......and subsequently lost the election to Hodges.
Beasley was supposed to win the election. He was the incumbent Republican in a Republican state. And one comment in support of the flag would have garnered him a re-election. But he didn't - and he lost.
One issue race.
I've been back in Arizona since 1999. And our politics in the Governor's branch are even more screwed up than SC. But that's another issue.
pnkpanther
04-16-2007, 11:25 PM
That's a pretty touchy issue in South Carolina. Elections are won or lost on that issue.
From 1996-99, I was assigned to the Border Patrol Academy as a Physical Techniques Instructor - the academy was in Charleston, SC (great town). In 1998, there was a Governor election and one of the prime issues was the flag.
The two candidates, David Beasley (R) and James Hodges (D) battled over the issue. Beasley, the incumbent, supported removing the Confederate Flag from the state flag. Hodges, trailing in the polls, jumped at the opportunity to dismantle Beasley and supported keeping the flag as one of SC's honored traditions.
South Carolina is a Republican state, and has been for quite some time (since the slow dismantling of the "southern democrats" began in the 70's). Hodges is a Democrat. A more modern dem in most categories. But the flag issue was on his side, and brought back memories of the old "Southern Dem" south (ala, George Wallace, Charles Griffin, Millard Tidings, Lester Maddox, etc.). The Republican Beasley went against it.......and subsequently lost the election to Hodges.
Beasley was supposed to win the election. He was the incumbent Republican in a Republican state. And one comment in support of the flag would have garnered him a re-election. But he didn't - and he lost.
One issue race.
I've been back in Arizona since 1999. And our politics in the Governor's branch are even more screwed up than SC. But that's another issue.
the democrats lost the south in 1964 when they supporoted civil rights, the south never forgave them.
Confederate flag is symbol of a divided country and of a an area that wanted to continue to have the right to own black people.
I dont look at it and get offended, but i understand why some people do. Private citizens want to own, thats there right, but not OVER the state capital.
I have very limited expierence with the south and southerners, but they're a different breed, we're all americans, but there are several regional differences and it's amazing.
Iron Jaw
04-17-2007, 02:19 AM
the democrats lost the south in 1964 when they supporoted civil rights, the south never forgave them.
Confederate flag is symbol of a divided country and of a an area that wanted to continue to have the right to own black people.
I dont look at it and get offended, but i understand why some people do. Private citizens want to own, thats there right, but not OVER the state capital.
I have very limited expierence with the south and southerners, but they're a different breed, we're all americans, but there are several regional differences and it's amazing.
Actually, Lyndon Johnson carried a solid south in 1964. In 1968, George Wallace, a southern democrat ran on the American Independent ticket and carried much of the south to the tune of 45 electoral votes - successfully splitting the democrat party between the democrats in the west, east and north who supported Humphrey and the southern democrats who supported Wallace - which gave Republican Nixon an easier path to his election win. Essentially, the southerners did support a lifelong democrat in Wallace in '68. Four years later, to try and mend the party, Humphrey, running in the primaries was considering taking George Wallace (who was also running in the dem primaries) on as a running mate. But McGovern won the nomination. Nixon proceeded to become the first Republican ever to carry a solid south in his 1972 re-election landslide. With a few exceptions (such as Carter - '76), the Reps have carried the south ever since.
The 1964 Civil Rights act divided the democrat party between the southern dems and the rest of the pack. The southern dems, led by the likes of Wallace, gave them a choice other than the Republican Party - the segregationists within their own party ranks.
Though I was born in Mizzou, I've spent most of my life in the west (Colorado and Arizona). I did spend a three year tour in the Marine Corps in North Carolina (Camp Lejeune) and a three year tour teaching at our Border Patrol Academy in Charleston, SC. To be completely honest, I saw less racial problems in the south than I've seen in the west. But the south will always be highlighted because of the history of the modern KKK, and the divisive civil rights/segregationist issues of the 50's and 60's. The south has changed considerably, but that reputation will always prevail in the minds of those who have never actually experienced it. I mean, places like New York had the Howard Beach, Wilding and Tawana Brawley incidents - Los Angeles has been the site of several race-based riots and violence. When was the last time the south had a divisive, race-based riot?
pnkpanther
04-17-2007, 11:39 AM
Actually, Lyndon Johnson carried a solid south in 1964. In 1968, George Wallace, a southern democrat ran on the American Independent ticket and carried much of the south to the tune of 45 electoral votes - successfully splitting the democrat party between the democrats in the west, east and north who supported Humphrey and the southern democrats who supported Wallace - which gave Republican Nixon an easier path to his election win. Essentially, the southerners did support a lifelong democrat in Wallace in '68. Four years later, to try and mend the party, Humphrey, running in the primaries was considering taking George Wallace (who was also running in the dem primaries) on as a running mate. But McGovern won the nomination. Nixon proceeded to become the first Republican ever to carry a solid south in his 1972 re-election landslide. With a few exceptions (such as Carter - '76), the Reps have carried the south ever since.
The 1964 Civil Rights act divided the democrat party between the southern dems and the rest of the pack. The southern dems, led by the likes of Wallace, gave them a choice other than the Republican Party - the segregationists within their own party ranks.
Though I was born in Mizzou, I've spent most of my life in the west (Colorado and Arizona). I did spend a three year tour in the Marine Corps in North Carolina (Camp Lejeune) and a three year tour teaching at our Border Patrol Academy in Charleston, SC. To be completely honest, I saw less racial problems in the south than I've seen in the west. But the south will always be highlighted because of the history of the modern KKK, and the divisive civil rights/segregationist issues of the 50's and 60's. The south has changed considerably, but that reputation will always prevail in the minds of those who have never actually experienced it. I mean, places like New York had the Howard Beach, Wilding and Tawana Brawley incidents - Los Angeles has been the site of several race-based riots and violence. When was the last time the south had a divisive, race-based riot?
southern politics are interesting and I'm aware of many of things you pointed out, i just oversimplified. More then one democrat switched to republican party after '64. Lyndon johnson was from the south, (texas) and that's always factor regardless of party.
most of my knowledge of the south is second hand I'll admit. My limited expierence with it when i was there, makes me not want to spend time down there
Jiddy78
04-17-2007, 12:00 PM
Can I consider the Daytona 500 a race riot? I'd say it's at least a gray area.
Iron Jaw
04-17-2007, 10:07 PM
Can I consider the Daytona 500 a race riot? I'd say it's at least a gray area.
The way the drunks carry on at races like that you might put it that way.
Or the riotous rites of Spring Break in Florida. But then, the crowd that carries on at the Spring Break sites in Florida are probably dominated by OTS's (other than sotherners).;)
ryr8828
04-17-2007, 10:13 PM
The way the drunks carry on at races like that you might put it that way.
Or the riotous rites of Spring Break in Florida. But then, the crowd that carries on at the Spring Break sites in Florida are probably dominated by OTS's (other than sotherners).;)
Some jackoff news organization sent some Muslims to a Nascar race last year to expose the rednecks and their bigotry.
After they were almost totally ignored, the story kind of went away.
The only reported incident went like this:
"Hey Habib, you an Earnhardt fan?"
"No my infidel friend, I root for Jeff Gordon, he is the best driver and also he drinks Pepsi."
"Why you no good son of a bitch, I ought to rip the damn towel right off of your head and shove it up your ass."
Some jackoff news organization sent some Muslims to a Nascar race last year to expose the rednecks and their bigotry.
After they were almost totally ignored, the story kind of went away.
The only reported incident went like this:
"Hey Habib, you an Earnhardt fan?"
"No my infidel friend, I root for Jeff Gordon, he is the best driver and also he drinks Pepsi."
"Why you no good son of a bitch, I ought to rip the damn towel right off of your head and shove it up your ass."
Wonder what would've been said had the Habibs been armed...
ryr8828
04-17-2007, 10:17 PM
Wonder what would've been said had the Habibs been armed...
Habib wouldn't have got off more than one shot.
ryr8828
04-17-2007, 10:17 PM
BTW, stop crossthreading my jokes dammit.
Habib wouldn't have got off more than one shot.
Not with all the billy bobs watching the race...wouldn't want to miss that next left turn.
BTW, stop crossthreading my jokes dammit.
Hey, what you see is what you get.
ryr8828
04-17-2007, 10:29 PM
Not with all the billy bobs watching the race...wouldn't want to miss that next left turn.
Or that drunk girl getting ready to lift up that t shirt.
Hell, I'm making racing sound like your favorite vacation, New Orleans.
Or that drunk girl getting ready to lift up that t shirt.
Hell, I'm making racing sound like your favorite vacation, New Orleans.
Last time I was down there, the ladies were very stingy with the lifting if their shirts. Haven't been back since.
Jiddy78
04-17-2007, 11:55 PM
Some jackoff news organization sent some Muslims to a Nascar race last year to expose the rednecks and their bigotry.
After they were almost totally ignored, the story kind of went away.
The only reported incident went like this:
"Hey Habib, you an Earnhardt fan?"
"No my infidel friend, I root for Jeff Gordon, he is the best driver and also he drinks Pepsi."
"Why you no good son of a bitch, I ought to rip the damn towel right off of your head and shove it up your ass."
Rednecks are smart enough to choose their battles wisely...I'll give them that. They keep their hate and ignorance to confined stations. You learn this as a christian white boy after a while. Mainly a bar brawl here and there...a sneaky semi-insulting bumper sticker...that unmistakable 2 second glare that says "What the hell are YOU doing here boy"...But they know when they've got you on their "turf"...
Loves park, Illinois...Ever hear of it old man? My buddy and I (black guy) broke down there...Big time redneck town...We were hungry and waiting a tow while on the way to school...About 19 at the time. We walked in a local restaurant to eat while we waited. The hostess looked at us and stated "No thank you".
I was slightly in shock...but I just shrugged it off.
A young waitress....Maybe 16-18 years old at the time refused to serve us. This was 1998. REFUSED. An older broad served us, grudgingly, whilst the young broad served the two booths around us.
Never said a word to the young broad. She just didn't want to serve my buddy....and, most definitely, not me...the ****** lover.
Never once had that happen in all my years moving in and out of the ghettos of Chicago. NEVER ONCE.
ryr8828
04-18-2007, 12:08 AM
Rednecks are smart enough to choose their battles wisely...I'll give them that. They keep their hate and ignorance to confined stations. You learn this as a christian white boy after a while. Mainly a bar brawl here and there...a sneaky semi-insulting bumper sticker...that unmistakable 2 second glare that says "What the hell are YOU doing here boy"...But they know when they've got you on their "turf"...
Loves park, Illinois...Ever hear of it old man? My buddy and I (black guy) broke down there...Big time redneck town...We were hungry and waiting a tow while on the way to school...About 19 at the time. We walked in a local restaurant to eat while we waited. The hostess looked at us and stated "No thank you".
I was slightly in shock...but I just shrugged it off.
A young waitress....Maybe 16-18 years old at the time refused to serve us. This was 1998. REFUSED. An older broad served us, grudgingly, whilst the young broad served the two booths around us.
Never said a word to the young broad. She just didn't want to serve my buddy....and, most definitely, not me...the ****** lover.
Never once had that happen in all my years moving in and out of the ghettos of Chicago. NEVER ONCE.
Never heard of it.
Ok, I did a google maps search just to humor you.
Hell, that's NORTH of Chicago.
So much for southern rednecks. That place is 379 miles north of me.
Vegas
04-18-2007, 12:10 AM
Never heard of it.
Ok, I did a google maps search just to humor you.
Hell, that's NORTH of Chicago.
So much for southern rednecks. That place is 379 miles north of me.
I saw things about that bad even farther north in Milwaukee.
Jiddy78
04-18-2007, 12:15 AM
Never heard of it.
Ok, I did a google maps search just to humor you.
Hell, that's NORTH of Chicago.
So much for southern rednecks. That place is 379 miles north of me.
Went to school in Minnesota...Sight seen: Statue of a black boy with a noose around its neck.
Rednecks can be found everywhere....Lotsa confederate flags flowin in Minny.
ryr8828
04-18-2007, 12:20 AM
I saw things about that bad even farther north in Milwaukee.
The only thing I've seen here is a local bar, a biker bar, when a black man comes in the owner tells him about his normal customers and that he can't guarantee his safety. That didn't work out to well when the local state man came in to check his books. State man happened to be black.
State man came back a few days later when there was only a bartender there and asked for the books again. The poor stupid girl gave the state man all the books, including the books on the illegal gambling machines that every bar has but no one puts out front.
Busted.
Vegas
04-18-2007, 12:21 AM
The only thing I've seen here is a local bar, a biker bar, when a black man comes in the owner tells him about his normal customers and that he can't guarantee his safety. That didn't work out to well when the local state man came in to check his books. State man happened to be black.
State man came back a few days later when there was only a bartender there and asked for the books again. The poor stupid girl gave the state man all the books, including the books on the illegal gambling machines that every bar has but no one puts out front.
Busted.
Karma does bite back.
pnkpanther
04-18-2007, 12:32 PM
Went to school in Minnesota...Sight seen: Statue of a black boy with a noose around its neck.
Rednecks can be found everywhere....Lotsa confederate flags flowin in Minny.
maybe in southern MN
Jiddy78
04-18-2007, 12:40 PM
maybe in southern MN
Winona, specifically...from collegiate youth, no less.
Sad, but true.
pnkpanther
04-18-2007, 12:48 PM
Winona, specifically...from collegiate youth, no less.
Sad, but true.
never been to winona, my old babysitter went there, i had a huge crush on her when i was 6
southern MN is rural and redneck, different.
Twin Cities is "blue" and north east part of the state is "blue"
rest is solid red, save rochester.
but the population lies in the "blue" area's
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