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i_hate_righties
04-13-2007, 05:26 PM
On the way to work the other day they had a discussion about the possibility of implementing the draft again...I listened to the callers and their opinions...Most were against it...But I got to thinking, my kid is going to be 13 this year...if there were a draft that would be 5 years away the he would be eligible for it...I seriously would consider having him leave the country if we were still at war in the middle east...and I was curious if anyone else would do the same if they were either that age or had a child that would be eligible for the draft????
Vegas
04-13-2007, 05:29 PM
I wouldn't waste too much energy even thinking about it. The volunteer military has been incredibly successful and they won't bring back the draft. Even the registration (a Jimmy Carter leftover) is a complete waste of money.
hannitykillspuppies
04-13-2007, 05:32 PM
On the way to work the other day they had a discussion about the possibility of implementing the draft again...I listened to the callers and their opinions...Most were against it...But I got to thinking, my kid is going to be 13 this year...if there were a draft that would be 5 years away the he would be eligible for it...I seriously would consider having him leave the country if we were still at war in the middle east...and I was curious if anyone else would do the same if they were either that age or had a child that would be eligible for the draft????
that's lame.
One of the main arguments I hear for the draft is that then the people fighting the war would be more evenly distributed among social status...i.e., it wouldn't just be the poor people...the rich (congressman for instance) don't have to worry about their kids dying, so they'll send whoever to whatever war.
I think that's stupid. Mainly because there weren't a lot of rich kids fighting in Viet Nam, but there certainly was a draft that "selected" without regards to social scale.
The rich boys will always find a way out of war if they want to...
Jiddy78
04-13-2007, 05:57 PM
that's lame.
I agree...At least have balls and go to jail kicking and screaming like I would. Running is weak.
pnkpanther
04-13-2007, 06:09 PM
One of the main arguments I hear for the draft is that then the people fighting the war would be more evenly distributed among social status...i.e., it wouldn't just be the poor people...the rich (congressman for instance) don't have to worry about their kids dying, so they'll send whoever to whatever war.
I think that's stupid. Mainly because there weren't a lot of rich kids fighting in Viet Nam, but there certainly was a draft that "selected" without regards to social scale.
The rich boys will always find a way out of war if they want to...
Maybe even become president
ryr8828
04-13-2007, 06:39 PM
The only people to try to put a draft proposal before congress lately have been Democrats.
Since they're in power now, maybe you should be concerned.
hannitykillspuppies
04-14-2007, 12:29 AM
The only people to try to put a draft proposal before congress lately have been Democrats.
Since they're in power now, maybe you should be concerned.
depending on how much longer we're in iraq it may not matter who is controlling congress.
Reagan Smash
04-14-2007, 01:03 AM
The question is, would it be like the NFL Draft. Would you have Colin Powell acting as the Mel Kiper Jr, and would the last pick in the draft get a two day vacation in Grenada?
i_hate_righties
04-14-2007, 01:15 AM
that's lame.
Excuse me!...It was a topic on the radio that I listened to from the time I left my driveway until the time I got to work (about an hours drive)...I thought the topic would generate some discussion on here other than being called lame!
Goddess if I was in your position and that scenario came to pass, I would get my son the hell out of the country without question.
ryr8828
04-14-2007, 09:29 PM
I doubt anyone wants their children put in harm's way. When goddess's son reaches adulthood there will still be no draft, although his free will may lead in in a direction she doesn't favor. At 18 I don't know if she'll be getting him to go anywhere he doesn't want to go. He may make up his mind to be the biggest baddest balls all out Green Beret in history, and nothing will change his mind.
My daughter joined the Guard, I was against it. She's a girl for God's sake. I was paying for her school and she wanted to pay for it herself. This was in the Clinton years, and when she did some research about who was going overseas she dropped out before basic training. She's very religious and couldn't stand the thought of killing someone.
My son went to join, I said Look son if you're doing it for yourself fine. Clinton decides he needs another blowjob and the next thing you know you'll be in a foreign land wondering why people are shooting at you so he can draw attention away from his latest fling. My son was declined because he had asthma as a child, they wouldn't take him.
I have the utmost respect for those who serve this country in the military, but I doubt that in time of war that many parents drive their children down to the recruiting station.
Nixon's Head
04-16-2007, 12:35 PM
If the draft comes back, I'll see you in Canada.
hannitykillspuppies
04-16-2007, 03:49 PM
If the draft comes back, I'll see you in Canada.
how old are you?
The only people to try to put a draft proposal before congress lately have been Democrats.
Since they're in power now, maybe you should be concerned.
Why did they do that?
BoredWithNoSB
04-16-2007, 03:58 PM
Why did they do that?
Fear mongering.
Reagan Smash
04-16-2007, 04:01 PM
I don't think we will see a draft because it would be Political suicide. That's just my opinion.
On the way to work the other day they had a discussion about the possibility of implementing the draft again...I listened to the callers and their opinions...Most were against it...But I got to thinking, my kid is going to be 13 this year...if there were a draft that would be 5 years away the he would be eligible for it...I seriously would consider having him leave the country if we were still at war in the middle east...and I was curious if anyone else would do the same if they were either that age or had a child that would be eligible for the draft????
I would be off like a prom dress, and help those that wanted to leave too. I think I am too old for them anyway. Our military is stretched very thin, and I think it is a possibility, especially if the war widens.
Fear mongering.
Like the mushroom cloud?
I think they tried to prove a point. how many of those that voted for this war have kids serving? None till Webb I believe.
Less than 1% of our country is directly involved with the war effort. In WWII (a much larger war granted) it was around 40%. IMO, that is the reason we can't end this war. Barely anybody is actually asked to sacrifice. If more were, or at least had to think about it, I think things would be different.
Nixon's Head
04-16-2007, 05:59 PM
how old are you?26.
hannitykillspuppies
04-17-2007, 05:10 PM
26.
you wouldn't have to go anywhere. you're past the cutoff age.
you wouldn't have to go anywhere. you're past the cutoff age.
Neither would I but I would be taking who wanted to go across the border.
Vegas
04-17-2007, 05:25 PM
So would you have fought in WWII?
So would you have fought in WWII?
Yes, to free Europe I think i would have. Not in any war since then though. It would take America being attacked.
Vegas
04-17-2007, 05:55 PM
Yes, to free Europe I think i would have. Not in any war since then though. It would take America being attacked.
So I assume you are OK with the war in Afghanistan?
So I assume you are OK with the war in Afghanistan?
I am not ok with the way it was handled. We needed to go in and get Osama though. We failed at that, and the Taliban is enjoying a resurgence. We pulled troops to fight Iraq. Horrid mistake. Do you agree?
Vegas
04-17-2007, 06:06 PM
I am not ok with the way it was handled. We needed to go in and get Osama though. We failed at that, and the Taliban is enjoying a resurgence. We pulled troops to fight Iraq. Horrid mistake. Do you agree?
I don't agree. I still think that Iraq was a threat and the war there was/is the right thing to do.
So how did you feel about the invasion of Grenada to rescue the Americans?
hannitykillspuppies
04-18-2007, 12:34 PM
Neither would I but I would be taking who wanted to go across the border.
why?
hannitykillspuppies
04-18-2007, 12:35 PM
So would you have fought in WWII?
why do conservatives compare the current war to WWII? do you truly believe there are any similarities between the two?
hannitykillspuppies
04-18-2007, 12:36 PM
I don't agree. I still think that Iraq was a threat and the war there was/is the right thing to do.
So how did you feel about the invasion of Grenada to rescue the Americans?
how the hell was iraq a threat? how? the bush administration prior to 9/11 had said containment was working.
I don't agree. I still think that Iraq was a threat and the war there was/is the right thing to do.
So how did you feel about the invasion of Grenada to rescue the Americans?
Rescue the Americans.
why?
Because drafting young men and women to a war that never should be fought is immoral. We have an obligation not to follow immoral laws.
Rescue the Americans.
That is a joke. The Americans could have been taken out peacefully. They offered.
Grenada was opposed by famous liberals like Margaret Thatcher.
Vegas
04-18-2007, 12:53 PM
That is a joke. The Americans could have been taken out peacefully. They offered.
So I get the distinct impression that you're OK with any war that Democrats get us involved in but you go crazy for anything that the Republicans do.
So I get the distinct impression that you're OK with any war that Democrats get us involved in but you go crazy for anything that the Republicans do.
No, not at all. Have I been clear?
WWII ok
Everything after besides Afghanistan, not so much.
So I get the distinct impression that you're OK with any war that Democrats get us involved in but you go crazy for anything that the Republicans do.
By the way, why not dispute my point. They offered to send the Med students home. They weren't attacked.
Vegas
04-18-2007, 12:59 PM
By the way, why not dispute my point. They offered to send the Med students home. They weren't attacked.
I simply don't believe that is true.
So how upset were you when Clinton sent troops into war? Especially when he did so without UN authorization. Did you go hand out flyers or protest in any way?
I simply don't believe that is true.
So how upset were you when Clinton sent troops into war? Especially when he did so without UN authorization. Did you go hand out flyers or protest in any way?
I didn't hand out fliers, but thanks for your condescending tone. I was opposed, but also was smart enough to know the difference. That wasn't a war.
Apples and oranges.
I simply don't believe that is true.
So how upset were you when Clinton sent troops into war? Especially when he did so without UN authorization. Did you go hand out flyers or protest in any way?
I believe anyone historian you ask will say that, but hey.
Vegas
04-18-2007, 01:14 PM
I didn't hand out fliers, but thanks for your condescending tone. I was opposed, but also was smart enough to know the difference. That wasn't a war.
Apples and oranges.
Thanks for my condescending tone? This coming from you?
So the guys that got killed when Clinton sent them to war (on both sides) didn't matter? That's how it was different? You have an interesting set of standards.
Thanks for my condescending tone? This coming from you?
So the guys that got killed when Clinton sent them to war (on both sides) didn't matter? That's how it was different? You have an interesting set of standards.
C'mon man. You really think there is a comparison between the two? I was against it, but there is no comparison. You can try and setup this little logic trap if you want. It doesn't work because there is no comparison. There was a civil war in Kosovo, we started one in Iraq. Are you seriously trying to make this comparison man. 78 days to 4 fuckin years? NATO ran it. I love teh help from Palau, but its not NATO.
Vegas
04-18-2007, 01:25 PM
C'mon man. You really think there is a comparison between the two? I was against it, but there is no comparison. You can try and setup this little logic trap if you want. It doesn't work because there is no comparison. There was a civil war in Kosovo, we started one in Iraq. Are you seriously trying to make this comparison man. 78 days to 4 fuckin years? NATO ran it. I love teh help from Palau, but its not NATO.
But you love Clinton and Bush is the anti-Christ.
But you love Clinton and Bush is the anti-Christ.
No, I don't think either of those two things. I wish we had Billy-boy, but he is far from ideal. I think Bush is misguided, a bit dim, inflexible, dishonest, and a bad president. I don't think he is the devil though. that is Cheney:) :) :)
Nixon's Head
04-18-2007, 02:01 PM
No, I don't think either of those two things. I wish we had Billy-boy, but he is far from ideal. I think Bush is misguided, a bit dim, inflexible, dishonest, and a bad president. I don't think he is the devil though. that is Cheney:) :) :)
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Iron Jaw
05-05-2007, 10:00 PM
Of course, when my son becomes of age that would be his decision, not mine, as he would be the one facing felonious charges, prison time, ex-patriation, not me. But then, I think I've raised my son to the point where he would not make the decision to refuse induction into the military. As it stands, he currently has a burning desire to gain acceptance into the U.S. Naval Academy and become a Marine Corps officer.
I've already served my time - I wish I was young enough to go again. Heck, if everything breaks loose they'll probably let me take my commission back as well. During WWII, when we fielded a military force that exceeded 20 million, the draft age was elevated to 44, and the voluntary enlistment age to 54 - even older if the person had prior military service. I'm in better physical condition than many of the youngsters that are joining now anyway.
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