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Vegas
04-13-2007, 12:58 PM
http://www.reason.com/news/show/119618.html

It's been 20 years that America has had a minimum federal drinking age. The policy began to gain momentum in the early 1980s, when the increasingly influential Mothers Against Drunk Driving added the federal minimum drinking age to its legislative agenda. By 1984, it had won over a majority of the Congress.

President Reagan initially opposed the law on federalism grounds but eventually was persuaded by his transportation secretary at the time, now-Sen. Elizabeth Dole.

Over the next three years every state had to choose between adopting the standard or forgoing federal highway funding; most complied. A few held out until the deadline, including Vermont, which fought the law all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court (and lost).

Twenty years later, the drawbacks of the legislation are the same as they were when it was passed.

The first is that the age set by the legislation is basically arbitrary. The U.S. has the highest drinking age in the world (a title it shares with Indonesia, Mongolia, Palau). The vast majority of the rest of the world sets the minimum age at 17 or 16 or has no minimum age at all.

Supporters of the federal minimum argue that the human brain continues developing until at least the age of 21.

Alcohol expert Dr. David Hanson of the State University of New York at Potsdam argues such
assertions reek of junk science. They're extrapolated from a study on lab mice, he explains, as well as from a small sample of actual humans already dependent on alcohol or drugs. Neither is enough to make broad proclamations about the entire population.

If the research on brain development is true, the U.S. seems to be the only country to have caught on to it.

Oddly enough, high school students in much of the rest of the developed world — where lower drinking ages and laxer enforcement reign — do considerably better than U.S. students on standardized tests.

The second drawback of the federal drinking age is that it set the stage for tying federal mandates to highway funds, enabling Congress to meddle in all sorts of state and local affairs it has no business attempting to regulate — so long as it can make a tortured argument about highway safety.

Efforts to set national speed limits, seat belt laws, motorcycle helmet laws and set a national blood-alcohol standard for DWI cases have rested on the premise that the federal government can blackmail the states with threats to cut off funding.

The final drawback is pretty straightforward: It makes little sense that America considers an 18-year-old mature enough to marry, to sign a contract, to vote and to fight and die for his country, but not mature enough to decide whether or not to have a beer.

So for all of those drawbacks, has the law worked? Supporters seem to think so. Their primary argument is the dramatic drop in the number of alcohol-related traffic fatalities since the minimum age first passed Congress in 1984. They also cite relative drops in the percentage of underage drinkers before and after the law went into effect.

But a new chorus is emerging to challenge the conventional wisdom. The most vocal of these critics is John McCardell Jr., the former president of Middlebury College in Vermont. McCardell's experience in higher education revealed to him that the federal age simply wasn't working.

It may have negligibly reduced total underage consumption, but those who did consume were much more likely to do so behind closed doors and to drink to excess in the short time they had access to alcohol. McCardell recently started the organization Choose Responsibility, which advocates moving the drinking age back to 18.

McCardell explains that the drop in highway fatalities often cited by supporters of the 21 minimum age actually began in the late 1970s, well before the federal drinking age set in.

What's more, McCardell recently explained in an online chat for the "Chronicle of Higher Education," the drop is better explained by safer and better built cars, increased seat belt use and increasing awareness of the dangers of drunken driving than in a federal standard.

The age at highest risk for an alcohol-related auto fatality is 21, followed by 22 and 23, an indication that delaying first exposure to alcohol until young adults are away from home may not be the best way to introduce them to drink.

McCardell isn't alone. Kenyon College President S. Georgia Nugent has expressed frustration with the law, particularly in 2005 after the alcohol-related death of a Kenyon student. And former Time magazine editor and higher ed reporter Barrett Seaman echoed McCardell's concerns in 2005.

The period since the 21 minimum drinking age took effect has been "marked by a shift from beer to hard liquor," Seaman wrote in Time, "consumed not in large social settings, since that was now illegal, but furtively and dangerously in students' residences. In my reporting at colleges around the country, I did not meet any presidents or deans who felt the 21-year age minimum helps their efforts to curb the abuse of alcohol on their campuses."

The federal drinking age has become somewhat sacrosanct among public health activists, who've consistently relied on the accident data to quell debate over the law's merits.

They've moved on to other battles, such as scolding parents for giving their own kids a taste of alcohol before the age of 21 or attacking the alcohol industry for advertising during sporting events or in magazines aimed at adults that are sometimes read by people under the age of 21.

But after 20 years, perhaps it's time to take a second look—a sound, sober (pardon the pun), science-based look—at the law's costs and benefits, as well as the sound philosophical objections to it.

McCardell provides a welcome voice in a debate too often dominated by hysterics. But beyond McCardell, Congress should really consider abandoning the federal minimum altogether, or at least the federal funding blackmail that gives it teeth.

State and local governments are far better at passing laws that reflect the values, morals and habits of their communities.

Jiddy78
04-13-2007, 01:00 PM
Does it matter? These f*cking kids are supplied by their parents in droves already...At least down here in hicksville.

Vegas
04-13-2007, 01:06 PM
Does it matter? These f*cking kids are supplied by their parents in droves already...At least down here in hicksville.

I think it does matter. Back in the day, Wisconsin had 18 as the drinking age. When it changed, it made a big difference in the total number of folks drinking especially those younger than 18.

*NZ*
04-13-2007, 01:20 PM
I think it does matter. Back in the day, Wisconsin had 18 as the drinking age. When it changed, it made a big difference in the total number of folks drinking especially those younger than 18.

In NZ we changed our age from 20 to 18 about 3 years ago and under 18 alcohol related crime has soared.

I'm proud to say I was against the change from the start. IMO it just means instead od 20 year olds buying for their 18 y/o siblings or friends, you have 18 y/o's buying it for their 16 y/os

MTVike
04-13-2007, 01:21 PM
I think it does matter. Back in the day, Wisconsin had 18 as the drinking age. When it changed, it made a big difference in the total number of folks drinking especially those younger than 18.

It was 18 for me, too. I remember underaged kids trying to get into the bars in high school (I was one, graduated at 17). There were cases of full-on puberty 16-year-olds with fake ID's sitting in bars drinking away.

I don't like the idea of kids drinking at 18, be neither do I think it's fair we can ask them to go to war and possibly get killed.

*NZ*
04-13-2007, 01:32 PM
It was 18 for me, too. I remember underaged kids trying to get into the bars in high school (I was one, graduated at 17). There were cases of full-on puberty 16-year-olds with fake ID's sitting in bars drinking away.

I don't like the idea of kids drinking at 18, be neither do I think it's fair we can ask them to go to war and possibly get killed.

Now that's a great point.

For me, the bigger issue in New Zealand (and possibly USA I don't know) is eradicating the prevailing culture that the normal thing to do for anyone aged 18-49 is to go a bar/club/friends house and get shitfaced every weekend.

Vegas
04-13-2007, 01:38 PM
Now that's a great point.

For me, the bigger issue in New Zealand (and possibly USA I don't know) is eradicating the prevailing culture that the normal thing to do for anyone aged 18-49 is to go a bar/club/friends house and get shitfaced every weekend.

The old enough to go to war argument is why a lot of states dropped the drinking age to 18 years ago. That argument largely went away when they abolished the draft.

pnkpanther
04-13-2007, 01:38 PM
18 year olds in military can buy booze on base i believe

Vegas
04-13-2007, 01:42 PM
18 year olds in military can buy booze on base i believe

I'm pretty sure you are correct.

hannitykillspuppies
04-13-2007, 02:04 PM
http://www.reason.com/news/show/119618.html



Oddly enough, high school students in much of the rest of the developed world — where lower drinking ages and laxer enforcement reign — do considerably better than U.S. students on standardized tests.

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yeah, it's because those kids in other countries drink. not because our education system is one of the worst among these developed countries.

LSU
04-13-2007, 02:17 PM
I don't think 18 is a good age. I'm not opposed to 19, though. At 18, you'll still have high school seniors...thus, high school freshman, for the most part, will have just as much access. At 19, you're in college, away from the 16 year olds, for the most part.

But as I've aged, I've realized 21 isn't that bad of an age. But I don't know if it's any better than 20. But both of those are better than 19. And all three of those are much much better than 18.

Jiddy78
04-13-2007, 02:44 PM
I don't think 18 is a good age. I'm not opposed to 19, though. At 18, you'll still have high school seniors...thus, high school freshman, for the most part, will have just as much access. At 19, you're in college, away from the 16 year olds, for the most part.

But as I've aged, I've realized 21 isn't that bad of an age. But I don't know if it's any better than 20. But both of those are better than 19. And all three of those are much much better than 18.


70.

i_hate_righties
04-13-2007, 05:08 PM
There has been a rash of recent fatal car accidents involving underage drinking....One in particular I think there were 7 kids who were killed right before christmas...It doesnt really seem to matter that there is a law or not...kids find a way to get hold of alcohol...Not that I am in favor of lowering the drinking age!

Vegas
04-13-2007, 05:10 PM
There has been a rash of recent fatal car accidents involving underage drinking....One in particular I think there were 7 kids who were killed right before christmas...It doesnt really seem to matter that there is a law or not...kids find a way to get hold of alcohol...Not that I am in favor of lowering the drinking age!

When the drinking age was 18, it was too easy to find an 18 year old who would buy for those considerably younger.

shmuck
04-14-2007, 07:16 PM
We bitch about this all of the time up here.

I have no problem with it being higher, I'd say three quarters of my high school has drank underage before, that number is probably higher. A lot of people drink every weekend.

I like the argument that if you up the age to 21, the 18 year old friends are getting the booze instead of the 16 year old friends.

The other thing, you never know hold old those girls are at the bars anymore. I keep saying girls should sticker their age to their forehead so we can see. 16 year olds look at lot like 19 year olds these days.