Prayer in school

[pnkpanther]

i hear a lot about prayer in school and how many of conservative religous groups are saying they're kids arent allowed to pray, which is untrue, liberals just want to make sure there isnt organized prayer in school...which is way i think it should be, if a christian/muslim/jewish child would like to pray, i say so be it, i think if he wants to do it before he eats, good for the kid

but this isnt good enough for religous right, they want prayer lead school, which i think if thats what they want, they should send them to a christian school, not a public school

But jesus's sermon from the mount says this on public prayer

But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

[*NZ*]

they want prayer lead school, which i think if thats what they want, they should send them to a christian school, not a public school [/I]

nuff said

[Jiddy78]

Not in my backyard utensils....Go back to China!!!


Biddybommmmmm.

[*NZ*]

Not in my backyard utensils....Go back to China!!!


Biddybommmmmm.

I love that show. Have you seen it on broadway?

[Jiddy78]

I love that show. Have you seen it on broadway?

I saw the traveller in Jacksonville.

[Vegas]

I don't know of any groups that are looking to push for organized prayer in school. They are merely looking for the constitutionally recognized freedom of religion to be expressed through prayer in school.

[pnkpanther]

I don't know of any groups that are looking to push for organized prayer in school. They are merely looking for the constitutionally recognized freedom of religion to be expressed through prayer in school.

children are allowed to pray in school at their own leisure, it's just not acceptable for Teachers school officals to lead them in prayer during school time. If they want to meet after school, i'm ok with that, pray before class's good for them.

these as of now are their current rights. No one wants to change that, us "liberals" just have issues when Teachers pray over intercom or during announcements, that doesnt belong in school.

Christian extreme groups are saying we wont to persecute people for praying or they tell horror stories of teachers stopping kids praying during lunch (which are usually made up, much like 95% of the stories Reagan told)

[Tom Joad]

I don't know of any groups that are looking to push for organized prayer in school. They are merely looking for the constitutionally recognized freedom of religion to be expressed through prayer in school.


No school is going to stop a student from praying. And, if they tried, they'd be in the news getting a ton of bad press.

[residenceevil]

I don't know of any groups that are looking to push for organized prayer in school. They are merely looking for the constitutionally recognized freedom of religion to be expressed through prayer in school.

Doesn't the constitution call for separation of church and state (the state being the govt funded public school system)? Like someone else said, if Religion is that important to you, send your kids to the private Christian school.

Why do we need prayer in school anyways? Do people want to pray before each class? Seriously?

[Hotpapa666]

If a child wants to pray on the child's own time in school so be it. If they want to bless the wonderful cuisine that sits on their tray before enjoying the delectible morsels, so be it. If they pray and it gets in the way of learning, they should be punished in the same as a kid who won't sit down or pay attention.

My hang-up with prayer in school is rather simple. I think the vast majority of people who are up-in-arms about prayer in school aren't really all that interested in the actual "prayer" part, but the fact that it is in public and people are looking at them while they "strut their faith". I have never once heard a person say "there aren't enough in the day for me to get all of my praying done,". If the prayer were the important part, people would just pray at home or at church, or in the car ride home, or..., on their own time. But, it's not about the actual prayer, it's the folks playing "look at me"; no different than the baseball players walking around with a chew in all day, or the goth kids with their black lip-stick,. etc..

[Ed Who?]

i hear a lot about prayer in school and how many of conservative religous groups are saying they're kids arent allowed to pray, which is untrue, liberals just want to make sure there isnt organized prayer in school...which is way i think it should be, if a christian/muslim/jewish child would like to pray, i say so be it, i think if he wants to do it before he eats, good for the kid

but this isnt good enough for religous right, they want prayer lead school, which i think if thats what they want, they should send them to a christian school, not a public school

But jesus's sermon from the mount says this on public prayer

But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

First of all, the verse you quote speaks of maintaining a personal relationship with God.

If someone wants to pray in school, it's to ask God to bless the children.

I don't believe that organized prayer is necessary. I do rue the fact that schools have come to refuse to acknowledge the existence of a higher power.

[Roy Munson]

First of all, the verse you quote speaks of maintaining a personal relationship with God.

If someone wants to pray in school, it's to ask God to bless the children.

I don't believe that organized prayer is necessary. I do rue the fact that schools have come to refuse to acknowledge the existence of a higher power.
No matter who you are, there's always a higher power...

[LSU]

First of all, the verse you quote speaks of maintaining a personal relationship with God.

If someone wants to pray in school, it's to ask God to bless the children.

I don't believe that organized prayer is necessary. I do rue the fact that schools have come to refuse to acknowledge the existence of a higher power.


Would you be happy if it were Allah that was recognized as a higher power? Or God (but not Jesus Christ)?

Or are you adamant on it being your particular Higher Power of choice that must be acknowledged?

[Roy Munson]

Would you be happy if it were Allah that was recognized as a higher power? Or God (but not Jesus Christ)?

Or are you adamant on it being your particular Higher Power of choice that must be acknowledged?
Could you imagine if non-christian "prayer" was group led in schools?

Jebus.

[domenick2x]

Could you imagine if non-christian "prayer" was group led in schools?

Jebus.
Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[LSU]

Could you imagine if non-christian "prayer" was group led in schools?

Jebus.



Yeah, it gets back to that thread Vegas started last week or so about IBD getting up in arms over a public school being Muslim-based.

And it wasn't because of the first amendment, it was because Muslims could do it, but Christians couldn't.


I would think a strong faith at home and elsewhere could persevere the 6-8 hours a days spent learning history, math, science, and social studies.

[Smoke681]

If a child wants to pray on the child's own time in school so be it. If they want to bless the wonderful cuisine that sits on their tray before enjoying the delectible morsels, so be it. If they pray and it gets in the way of learning, they should be punished in the same as a kid who won't sit down or pay attention.

My hang-up with prayer in school is rather simple. I think the vast majority of people who are up-in-arms about prayer in school aren't really all that interested in the actual "prayer" part, but the fact that it is in public and people are looking at them while they "strut their faith". I have never once heard a person say "there aren't enough in the day for me to get all of my praying done,". If the prayer were the important part, people would just pray at home or at church, or in the car ride home, or..., on their own time. But, it's not about the actual prayer, it's the folks playing "look at me"; no different than the baseball players walking around with a chew in all day, or the goth kids with their black lip-stick,. etc..
Yes. Strutting our faith. That's what we Christians are all about hotpapa. If we weren't able to strut our faith in front of all the pagans we would simply have no purpose.

Don't take away our strutting rights!

*sigh*

And you people think I misunderstand atheism? Give me a break.

[Smoke681]

For the record, I believe in 1 minute of silence during homeroom or whatever they call it now first thing in the morning to give children of any/all faiths an opportunity to say a prayer if they so desire. Those who do not wish to pray/have anyone to pray to can take a catnap.

There is no harm here, despite what all the haters would like others to think. It's one minute of the day. Not before each class. Not 10 minutes. 1 minute of silence.

[LSU]

For the record, I believe in 1 minute of silence during homeroom or whatever they call it now first thing in the morning to give children of any/all faiths an opportunity to say a prayer if they so desire. Those who do not wish to pray/have anyone to pray to can take a catnap.

There is no harm here, despite what all the haters would like others to think. It's one minute of the day. Not before each class. Not 10 minutes. 1 minute of silence.



I've got nothing against that. Could be used for teachers to get their head straight for the day. Could be used for the horny guys in class to get a peek at some boobage. Could be used for whatever, prayer, meditation, whatever. If the kids are that into their faith, they will take the time necessary to do what they feel they should do.

And honestly, it doesn't take silence to pray. It helps. But it's not a prerequisite.

[Smoke681]

I've got nothing against that. Could be used for teachers to get their head straight for the day. Could be used for the horny guys in class to get a peek at some boobage. Could be used for whatever, prayer, meditation, whatever. If the kids are that into their faith, they will take the time necessary to do what they feel they should do.

And honestly, it doesn't take silence to pray. It helps. But it's not a prerequisite.
Indeed, not a prerequisite. But it's time set aside for an undisturbed moment to pray to whomever or take that nap or look at those boobs.

[LSU]

Here's a question, though.

For Muslims, aren't they required to pray at certain times throughout the day? Or can they do it randomly? Is there a sign up in the classroom to know which way to face Mecca? Can they unroll their carpets to kneel on? What the standard protocol for such an activity?

[Roy Munson]

I've got nothing against that. Could be used for teachers to get their head straight for the day. Could be used for the horny guys in class to get a peek at some boobage. Could be used for whatever, prayer, meditation, whatever. If the kids are that into their faith, they will take the time necessary to do what they feel they should do.

And honestly, it doesn't take silence to pray. It helps. But it's not a prerequisite.


ding ding ding...

[LSU]

Indeed, not a prerequisite. But it's time set aside for an undisturbed moment to pray to whomever or take that nap or look at those boobs.


1 minute nap. Now that's a power nap.

[Hotpapa666]

Yes. Strutting our faith. That's what we Christians are all about hotpapa. If we weren't able to strut our faith in front of all the pagans we would simply have no purpose.

Don't take away our strutting rights!

*sigh*

And you people think I misunderstand atheism? Give me a break.

I am not foolish enough to think that all Christians everywhere think the same way and act with the same motivation. I made an observation, if you don't fit within the bounds of that observation good for you. However, others do.

[Hotpapa666]

Here's a question, though.

For Muslims, aren't they required to pray at certain times throughout the day? Or can they do it randomly? Is there a sign up in the classroom to know which way to face Mecca? Can they unroll their carpets to kneel on? What the standard protocol for such an activity?

No idea. I went to high school with some kids who were in the Nation of Islam and they never prayed in school. I had a teacher in 9th grade, same deal, she never prayed.

[IBC]

I've got nothing against that. Could be used for teachers to get their head straight for the day. Could be used for the horny guys in class to get a peek at some boobage. Could be used for whatever, prayer, meditation, whatever. If the kids are that into their faith, they will take the time necessary to do what they feel they should do.

And honestly, it doesn't take silence to pray. It helps. But it's not a prerequisite.
I am against it simply because there is absolutely no reason for it. No need. If kids wanna pray before class? they can, at home? they can, in class? they can, while looking at boobs? they can. We do not need to frickin' organize time to do it and leave it in the hand of individual schools to do whatever with that time.

[thrasymachus]

I don't see why there needs to be prayer in school. What are the benefits?

I'm not opposed to it if there's an actual benefit to students and it can be done in a neutral manner.

[LSU]

No idea. I went to high school with some kids who were in the Nation of Islam and they never prayed in school. I had a teacher in 9th grade, same deal, she never prayed.


I knew of one girl in school that was Muslim. She wasn't Mid Eastern, though, she was a black chick and her parents were Muslim. No burkas or anything like that, just a "normal" broad. I never noticed her praying, but never paid much attention to it.

I have seen some that pray like 6 times a day all at certain hours of the day, so wasn't sure what the SOP on that was.

[MTVike]

On a related note, how many of you recognize this publicly recited pledge:

I trust in God
I love my country, and will respect its laws,
I will play fair, and strive to win
But win or lose, I will always do my best

[LSU]

On a related note, how many of you recognize this publicly recited pledge:

I trust in God
I love my country, and will respect its laws,
I will play fair, and strive to win
But win or lose, I will always do my best

Never heard of it.

[thrasymachus]

On a related note, how many of you recognize this publicly recited pledge:

I trust in God
I love my country, and will respect its laws,
I will play fair, and strive to win
But win or lose, I will always do my best
That must have been before my time.

[LSU]

I am against it simply because there is absolutely no reason for it. No need. If kids wanna pray before class? they can, at home? they can, in class? they can, while looking at boobs? they can. We do not need to frickin' organize time to do it and leave it in the hand of individual schools to do whatever with that time.



Realistically, I would imagine even many religious kids would just let their mind wander during that time. There would be some that would put it to use, but in the grand scheme of things, they'll just be sitting there staring at the wall waiting for the bell to ring for first class.

[LSU]

I am against it simply because there is absolutely no reason for it. No need. If kids wanna pray before class? they can, at home? they can, in class? they can, while looking at boobs? they can. We do not need to frickin' organize time to do it and leave it in the hand of individual schools to do whatever with that time.



Too many activist teachers will be trying to force their religious beliefs on the class?

[IBC]

Realistically, I would imagine even many religious kids would just let their mind wander during that time. There would be some that would put it to use, but in the grand scheme of things, they'll just be sitting there staring at the wall waiting for the bell to ring for first class.

So what is the point?

[LSU]

So what is the point?



Ask Yom. I said I wouldn't be against it, not that I was advocating it.

[thrasymachus]

Realistically, I would imagine even many religious kids would just let their mind wander during that time. There would be some that would put it to use, but in the grand scheme of things, they'll just be sitting there staring at the wall waiting for the bell to ring for first class.
I think it would be an extreme waste of time. And I have yet to see any benefits that the child can't get simply by praying by himself (or with others if they so choose) on his own time.

[Hotpapa666]

I don't see why there needs to be prayer in school. What are the benefits?

I'm not opposed to it if there's an actual benefit to students and it can be done in a neutral manner.

I think I agree. What is the benefit? The school house isn't the clearinghouse for everyone's ideas. Next thing you know people are going to be calling for "a moment to think about snap-together-model awareness". I say done respectfully, on one's own time (we all had personal time at school) pray away, otherwise, save it for church, home, the bus-ride home...

Think about it this way, in a school of 600 kids (my high school) one minute per day, that's 600*5, 3,000 minutes, 500 hours of learning time per week used up on something that is not school related and not learning time. Multiply that out over a year... And yes, every minute counts.

[LSU]

I think it would be an extreme waste of time. And I have yet to see any benefits that the child can't get simply by praying by himself (or with others if they so choose) on his own time.



Let's not go overboard here. If it's 1 minute, it's hardly an extreme waste of time. If it were 5-10 min of sitting there, perhaps.

[MTVike]

Never heard of it.

Little league pledge, still recited by thousands of school-aged children around the country before the start of games.

Including my girls' majors team.

[LSU]

I think I agree. What is the benefit? The school house isn't the clearinghouse for everyone's ideas. Next thing you know people are going to be calling for "a moment to think about snap-together-model awareness". I say done respectfully, on one's own time (we all had personal time at school) pray away, otherwise, save it for church, home, the bus-ride home...

Think about it this way, in a school of 600 kids (my high school) one minute per day, that's 600*5, 3,000 minutes, 500 hours of learning time per week used up on something that is not school related and not learning time. Multiply that out over a year... And yes, every minute counts.


No, it's 1 minute. Not 500 hours.

[LSU]

Little league pledge, still recited by thousands of school-aged children around the country before the start of games.

Including my girls' majors team.


Little league, to my knowledge, is not a school sponsored function, is it?

[thrasymachus]

Let's not go overboard here. If it's 1 minute, it's hardly an extreme waste of time. If it were 5-10 min of sitting there, perhaps.
Well, 1 minute isn't going to work. Because if we're going to let people pray and there are people who need to set up to pray to Mecca, well that's not going to work at all.

[LSU]

Well, 1 minute isn't going to work. Because if we're going to let people pray and there are people who need to set up to pray to Mecca, well that's not going to work at all.

I asked about that earlier.

Maybe we just make it for people that can fold their hands and bow their heads then.

[Hotpapa666]

No, it's 1 minute. Not 500 hours.

No it's 1 minute experienced by 600 people five times. The man power equivilant of 500 hours/week lost to a minute of reflection.

[thrasymachus]

Little league, to my knowledge, is not a school sponsored function, is it?
I don't know the facts, but it might be government sponsored at some point.

[thrasymachus]

I asked about that earlier.

Maybe we just make it for people that can fold their hands and bow their heads then.
Yeah, and if we do that...then it fails my neutral test and then I'm against it.

[LSU]

No it's 1 minute experienced by 600 people five times. The man power equivilant of 500 hours/week lost to a minute of reflection.


No, it's 1 minute.

And we're not talking about man power or production. It's 1 minute.

If it makes you feel better, school can end at 3:31 rather than 3:30. Problem solved.

[MTVike]

Little league, to my knowledge, is not a school sponsored function, is it?

No, but it is a publicly sponsored activity, not a private one.

Analagous to the school argument maybe, maybe not. Kinda like courthouse lawn displays, phrases on money, and the like.

The fact that I thought about the issue presented here the last time I recited it with the kids is why I brought it up.

In years past, it would have gone unnoticed.

[LSU]

I don't know the facts, but it might be government sponsored at some point.



Could be. But we're talking about schools. And public schools. Little league is certainly public baseball, but if a family is opposed to the "prayer" said, is withholding a kid from little league on par with withholding a kid from school?

[LSU]

Yeah, and if we do that...then it fails my neutral test and then I'm against it.


I would be, too.

But that's if it's designated "prayer" time. If it's designated "prayer" time, it shouldn't be put in place.

If it's designated "personal" time, anyone can do anything with that one minute as they so choose. Quietly.

[thrasymachus]

Could be. But we're talking about schools. And public schools. Little league is certainly public baseball, but if a family is opposed to the "prayer" said, is withholding a kid from little league on par with withholding a kid from school?
I think they're different situations. The reason "public schools" are an issue is because they are funded by taxpayer money. If Little League is privately funded, then anyone opposed can kiss off. It'd be like saying you can't have prayer in Church because Churches are, by and large, open to the public.

[Hotpapa666]

Little league, to my knowledge, is not a school sponsored function, is it?

Nope, and in my two years of LL (we switched to PONY league after LL) I never spoke that pleadge once.

[thrasymachus]

I would be, too.

But that's if it's designated "prayer" time. If it's designated "prayer" time, it shouldn't be put in place.

If it's designated "personal" time, anyone can do anything with that one minute as they so choose. Quietly.
But then I ask: why do we need this 1 minute of designated "personal" time? Isn't the whole notion of "homeroom" so that the students can relax and socialize for like 10 minutes before the actual school day begin?

[Hotpapa666]

No, but it is a publicly sponsored activity, not a private one.

Analagous to the school argument maybe, maybe not. Kinda like courthouse lawn displays, phrases on money, and the like.

The fact that I thought about the issue presented here the last time I recited it with the kids is why I brought it up.

In years past, it would have gone unnoticed.

Little League gets tax dollars?

[LSU]

But then I ask: why do we need this 1 minute of designated "personal" time? Isn't the whole notion of "homeroom" so that the students can relax and socialize for like 10 minutes before the actual school day begin?



I don't know what the idea of homeroom is. I never understood it. I think my homeroom teacher even made us be quiet for that time, so it was already quiet time, aside from whispers.

[MTVike]

Little League gets tax dollars?

Not directly, but the parks in which the games are held are generally maintained by tax dollars.

Fees are paid for by the parents.

[LSU]

Little League gets tax dollars?

It's played on public fields.

Otherwise, don't parents pay an entry fee to cover costs?

[LSU]

Not directly, but the parks in which the games are held are generally maintained by tax dollars.

Fees are paid for by the parents.



You can hold a religious wedding in a public park, too.

[Hotpapa666]

No, it's 1 minute.

And we're not talking about man power or production. It's 1 minute.

If it makes you feel better, school can end at 3:31 rather than 3:30. Problem solved.

Of course we are, learning is work, improving lives building knowledge.

[thrasymachus]

Not directly, but the parks in which the games are held are generally maintained by tax dollars.

Fees are paid for by the parents.
That's different though. Because if the fields are empty and I get permission to use the fields for a certain time slot then I can use it for my own personal enjoyment.

[LSU]

Of course we are, learning is work, improving lives building knowledge.


Already solved that problem.

3:31.


Of course, one could make the argument that self reflection and centering under any condition is just as important to being able to build one's knowledge as anything else.

But I'll just leave it at 3:31.

[Hotpapa666]

Not directly, but the parks in which the games are held are generally maintained by tax dollars.

Fees are paid for by the parents.

Not in my experience. My folks were big in the baseball organization in my home town when my brother and I played, my dad was the treasurer, and the org. foot the bill for most field maintance. How many morning was I forced out of bed to rake fields...

But anyway, that's really no different than allowing a church group to use a pavillion for a BBQ. The fields are shared, and can be reserved by anyone.

[Hotpapa666]

Already solved that problem.

3:31.


Of course, one could make the argument that self reflection and centering under any condition is just as important to being able to build one's knowledge as anything else.

But I'll just leave it at 3:31.

So the small number of kids who want this minute make it so everyone else gets to stay an extra minute? That's fair. And, the teachers, I'm sure they want to work for free.

[LSU]

So the small number of kids who want this minute make it so everyone else gets to stay an extra minute? That's fair. And, the teachers, I'm sure they want to work for free.



Is a minute in Japan longer than a minute in America?


Teachers typically stay well past school lets out anyway. A minute longer is going to hurt that?

A minute?!

And I don't believe for a second that it's the "kids" that want this. It's the parents. Primarily.

[Hotpapa666]

Is a minute in Japan longer than a minute in America?


Teachers typically stay well past school lets out anyway. A minute longer is going to hurt that?

A minute?!

And I don't believe for a second that it's the "kids" that want this. It's the parents. Primarily.

Those minutes add up is my only point.

It could be the parents, it could be a small group of kids (there was one when I was in school) either way it is a big waste of potential learning time. And every classroom minute matters. Kids need a minimum of X amount of classroom minutes offered to pass where I'm from.

[MTVike]

Not in my experience. My folks were big in the baseball organization in my home town when my brother and I played, my dad was the treasurer, and the org. foot the bill for most field maintance. How many morning was I forced out of bed to rake fields...

But anyway, that's really no different than allowing a church group to use a pavillion for a BBQ. The fields are shared, and can be reserved by anyone.

Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and God...I guess Little League is considered more of a private than public organization in the eyes of most.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001870852_littleleague04e.html

[Jiddy78]

I'm not big on the prayer in school thing...not because I'm not big on prayer...but I prefer a school situation where kids are kids rather than exposed to differentiation...It's bad enough the socioeconomic issues that create gaps between children as they age...I just think a the less distance we place between children will make them much more apt to #1 be good to one another later in life and #2 work well with one another later in life. Parents bastardize their child(ren)'s innocence on a daily basis....To think that prayer would be used as a tool of this separating mentality, even indirectly or unintentionally is better off left alone. If I want my kids to have a religious education, there's plenty of venues for me to undertake it...via home study, sunday school or a private school education. I really don't see the problem with no organized prayer in school, especially if it is polarizing.

[Hotpapa666]

Anyway, I'm going to try and sleep again. I had my first run today after hurting my leg in January. It gave me so much energy that I can't sleep. One more try to prevent going to work with fewer than 5 hours of sleep...

[LSU]

Those minutes add up is my only point.

It could be the parents, it could be a small group of kids (there was one when I was in school) either way it is a big waste of potential learning time. And every classroom minute matters. Kids need a minimum of X amount of classroom minutes offered to pass where I'm from.



How many times in school in all classes did you teachers talk right up to the bell in class?

It happens, surely. But if a minute were that important, I wouldn't be able to think of times where we just sat there counting off the ticks left before the bell rang to get out of their.

I think kids need X amount of classroom minutes everywhere. Shit, I even got out of college classes early many times. Not just 1 min, either. I still got credit for that hour each week, even though it was only 49 minutes.

[Jiddy78]

Anyway, I'm going to try and sleep again. I had my first run today after hurting my leg in January. It gave me so much energy that I can't sleep. One more try to prevent going to work with fewer than 5 hours of sleep...


The pain is coming. Fear it.

Good night.

[fahvra]

I dont see how this is still a topic. no way in hell(lol) should there be prayer in public school.

forgive me for not reading the entire thread.

[IBC]

How many times in school in all classes did you teachers talk right up to the bell in class?

It happens, surely. But if a minute were that important, I wouldn't be able to think of times where we just sat there counting off the ticks left before the bell rang to get out of their.

I think kids need X amount of classroom minutes everywhere. Shit, I even got out of college classes early many times. Not just 1 min, either. I still got credit for that hour each week, even though it was only 49 minutes.

The minute is only an issue because there is absolutely no reason to do it. I haven't seen one here, and only think this leads to organized prayer in some schools.

[LSU]

The minute is only an issue because there is absolutely no reason to do it. I haven't seen one here, and only think this leads to organized prayer in some schools.



The use of a minute is a weak argument against YOM's original statement of having a minute of "alone" time.

There are much better, and some have been made. But the use of a minute is... minute.

[IBC]

The use of a minute is a weak argument against YOM's original statement of having a minute of "alone" time.

There are much better, and some have been made. But the use of a minute is... minute.

I know, but why use a minute for no good reason?

[LSU]

I know, but why use a minute for no good reason?



It's your judgment that it's no good reason. I can think of reasons why a moment of silence in the morning before a hectic day begins. And they don't all have to do with prayer.

[fahvra]

how about prayer before they come to school?

[thrasymachus]

What about the word "God" in the Pledge?

[LSU]

What about the word "God" in the Pledge?


It wasn't there to begin with.

[LSU]

how about prayer before they come to school?


Before school, during school, after school. Whenever.

[fahvra]

Before school, during school, after school. Whenever.

all they have to do is close their eyes. it can be done anywhere without being organized, even while the teach is talking.

[LSU]

all they have to do is close their eyes. it can be done anywhere without being organized, even while the teach is talking.



I had a physics teacher that would drop a long metal bar on the floor next to anyone that had their eyes closed during his lecture in high school.

[fahvra]

I had a physics teacher that would drop a long metal bar on the floor next to anyone that had their eyes closed during his lecture in high school.

well, they better make it quick then.

[residenceevil]

Since when was closing your eyes a prerequisite to prayer? If a kid truly needs a moment to pray they can do it without anyone else noticing or being disturbed by it.

[Roy Munson]

Little league pledge, still recited by thousands of school-aged children around the country before the start of games.

Including my girls' majors team.
not my little league...

[MTVike]

not my little league...

Interesting.

http://coe.nevada.edu/jwhitefoot/challenger_little_league/images/little_league_pledge.gif

We don't have the pledge on our patches, but it is written on the back of the official rulebook, I believe.

Even as a kid, I remember each team standing on the 1st and 3rd baselines, while a couple of kids stood on the pitching mound and recited it.

[LSU]

Since when was closing your eyes a prerequisite to prayer? If a kid truly needs a moment to pray they can do it without anyone else noticing or being disturbed by it.


Part of prayer is focusing yourself on your thoughts. Partly why eyes are closed and hands are crossed.

[KinjaKahn]

Part of prayer is focusing yourself on your thoughts. Partly why eyes are closed and hands are crossed.
Nonsense.