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Vegas
04-10-2007, 12:32 PM
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=261007705778165

Diplomacy: "We have an alternative Democratic foreign policy," a member of Nancy Pelosi's Mideast entourage said. Problem is, it's one applauded by terrorists around the world who couldn't be happier she's speaker of the House.

We wonder what the media reaction would have been had Newt Gingrich traveled around the world in 1995 offering an alternative Republican foreign policy. Suppose he had, to cite just one example, condemned on foreign soil Bill Clinton's shameful withdrawal from Somalia, which inspired Osama bin Laden to plan 9/11.

At least Gingrich, unlike Pelosi, wouldn't have been giving aid and comfort to America's enemies. She advocates talking to Iran, which is building nukes to annihilate Israel and shipping advanced explosive devices to Iraq to kill British and U.S. troops. She advocates a date certain for throwing the people of Iraq to the Islamofascist wolves.

Speaker Pelosi expressed the foolish thought that "the road to Damascus is the road to peace." The road to Damascus is the road Syrian supply columns traveled bringing Iranian rockets and supplies plus a few goodies of their own to help Hezbollah attack Israel and plot the overthrow of Lebanon's democracy. It was the body of that democracy that Pelosi tip-toed around to visit the killers of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, among others, who were dispatched by Syrian operatives.

We wonder if Pelosi is malicious or merely naive. After all, last December she picked Rep. Silvestre Reyes of Texas to head the critical House Intelligence Committee, describing him as having "impeccable national security credentials." But in a subsequent interview, Reyes couldn't describe Hezbollah, the Iranian-created and supplied terrorist group that used Lebanon as a human shield in its war with Israel and which murdered 241 U.S. soldiers in Beirut in 1983.

Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., head of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, who accompanied Pelosi, said during the group's stop in Israel, "We have an alternative Democratic foreign policy." And of the visit to Baathist thug Bashar Assad, Lantos said: "This is only the beginning of our constructive dialogue with Syria, and we hope to build on this visit." Our dialogue? Read the Constitution and the law, Tom.

We're of a mind with Robert F. Turner, who served as acting assistant secretary of state under President Reagan. He suggests Pelosi et al. may have violated the Logan Act, which makes it a felony for any American, even one who is third in the line of presidential succession, to conduct foreign policy on their own initiative.

The Logan Act provides a prison term of three years for anyone who "without the authority of the United States" communicates with a foreign government for the purpose of changing its policies regarding "disputes or controversies with the United States." Patrick Fitzgerald, call your office.

So who's happy with Pelosi's trip? Well, Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas' military wing in the Gaza Strip. He said her trip to Syria "is proof of the importance of the resistance against the U.S." He added that "Americans know and understand they are losing in Iraq and the Middle East and their only chance to survive is to reduce hostilities with Arab countries and with Islam."

Sharing the Islamofascist view that our "only chance to survive" is to have Pelosi negotiate the terms of our surrender is Jihad Jaara, senior member of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. "I think she is very brave and hope all the people will support her," he said. "All the American people must make peace with Syria and Iran and with Hamas."

Khaled Al-Batch, a spokesman for Islamic Jihad, says "Nancy Pelosi understands the area well" and expressed the hope she would keep winning elections. Islamic Jihad's chief, Ramadan Shallah, calls Syria home, as does Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal.

We didn't see Tip O'Neill running to Moscow with "an alternative Democratic foreign policy" subverting Reagan's confronting head-on what he called the "evil empire." But then, Tip knew all politics was local and all foreign policy was the president's responsibility.

And O'Neill knew whose side he was on.

hannitykillspuppies
04-10-2007, 12:37 PM
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=261007705778165

Diplomacy: "We have an alternative Democratic foreign policy," a member of Nancy Pelosi's Mideast entourage said. Problem is, it's one applauded by terrorists around the world who couldn't be happier she's speaker of the House.

We wonder what the media reaction would have been had Newt Gingrich traveled around the world in 1995 offering an alternative Republican foreign policy. Suppose he had, to cite just one example, condemned on foreign soil Bill Clinton's shameful withdrawal from Somalia, which inspired Osama bin Laden to plan 9/11.

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and i wonder how many die hard conservatives would be lauding the job being done in iraq if clinton had listened to rumsfield and wolfowitz and invaded iraq for no discernable reason.

Vegas
04-10-2007, 12:39 PM
and i wonder how many die hard conservatives would be lauding the job being done in iraq if clinton had listened to rumsfield and wolfowitz and invaded iraq for no discernable reason.

You're missing the point completely.

IBC
04-10-2007, 12:40 PM
And I just got dumber.

Vegas, do you truly think our foreign policy has been working? If so, we have nothing to talk about. I am not going to change your mind. Not even the preznits cheerleaders are saying this anymore. His own party is distancing himself from him. 3 Repubs went to Syria despite the Administrations strong objections. Why? Because everyone knows we can't do this anymore. This is serious and its the future of our country.

IBC
04-10-2007, 12:42 PM
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=261007705778165

Diplomacy: "We have an alternative Democratic foreign policy," a member of Nancy Pelosi's Mideast entourage said. Problem is, it's one applauded by terrorists around the world who couldn't be happier she's speaker of the House.

We wonder what the media reaction would have been had Newt Gingrich traveled around the world in 1995 offering an alternative Republican foreign policy. Suppose he had, to cite just one example, condemned on foreign soil Bill Clinton's shameful withdrawal from Somalia, which inspired Osama bin Laden to plan 9/11.

At least Gingrich, unlike Pelosi, wouldn't have been giving aid and comfort to America's enemies. She advocates talking to Iran, which is building nukes to annihilate Israel and shipping advanced explosive devices to Iraq to kill British and U.S. troops. She advocates a date certain for throwing the people of Iraq to the Islamofascist wolves.

Speaker Pelosi expressed the foolish thought that "the road to Damascus is the road to peace." The road to Damascus is the road Syrian supply columns traveled bringing Iranian rockets and supplies plus a few goodies of their own to help Hezbollah attack Israel and plot the overthrow of Lebanon's democracy. It was the body of that democracy that Pelosi tip-toed around to visit the killers of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, among others, who were dispatched by Syrian operatives.

We wonder if Pelosi is malicious or merely naive. After all, last December she picked Rep. Silvestre Reyes of Texas to head the critical House Intelligence Committee, describing him as having "impeccable national security credentials." But in a subsequent interview, Reyes couldn't describe Hezbollah, the Iranian-created and supplied terrorist group that used Lebanon as a human shield in its war with Israel and which murdered 241 U.S. soldiers in Beirut in 1983.

Rep. Tom Lantos, D-Calif., head of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, who accompanied Pelosi, said during the group's stop in Israel, "We have an alternative Democratic foreign policy." And of the visit to Baathist thug Bashar Assad, Lantos said: "This is only the beginning of our constructive dialogue with Syria, and we hope to build on this visit." Our dialogue? Read the Constitution and the law, Tom.

We're of a mind with Robert F. Turner, who served as acting assistant secretary of state under President Reagan. He suggests Pelosi et al. may have violated the Logan Act, which makes it a felony for any American, even one who is third in the line of presidential succession, to conduct foreign policy on their own initiative.

The Logan Act provides a prison term of three years for anyone who "without the authority of the United States" communicates with a foreign government for the purpose of changing its policies regarding "disputes or controversies with the United States." Patrick Fitzgerald, call your office.

So who's happy with Pelosi's trip? Well, Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas' military wing in the Gaza Strip. He said her trip to Syria "is proof of the importance of the resistance against the U.S." He added that "Americans know and understand they are losing in Iraq and the Middle East and their only chance to survive is to reduce hostilities with Arab countries and with Islam."

Sharing the Islamofascist view that our "only chance to survive" is to have Pelosi negotiate the terms of our surrender is Jihad Jaara, senior member of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. "I think she is very brave and hope all the people will support her," he said. "All the American people must make peace with Syria and Iran and with Hamas."

Khaled Al-Batch, a spokesman for Islamic Jihad, says "Nancy Pelosi understands the area well" and expressed the hope she would keep winning elections. Islamic Jihad's chief, Ramadan Shallah, calls Syria home, as does Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal.

We didn't see Tip O'Neill running to Moscow with "an alternative Democratic foreign policy" subverting Reagan's confronting head-on what he called the "evil empire." But then, Tip knew all politics was local and all foreign policy was the president's responsibility.

And O'Neill knew whose side he was on.
Yes, blame Clinton for 9/11 again. You know, Clinton caught and prosecuted those responsible for the 1st WTC bombing. You also know he tried to kill Bin Laden on multiple occasions. How many meeting did Bush have on terror prior to 9/11? Just wondering. This is a total bullshit article, completely detached from reality.

hannitykillspuppies
04-10-2007, 12:43 PM
You're missing the point completely.

explain what i missed about what i quoted and bolded? it would appear to be another lame complaint about the unfair liberal media bias.

Vegas
04-10-2007, 01:00 PM
explain what i missed about what i quoted and bolded? it would appear to be another lame complaint about the unfair liberal media bias.

The president is responsible for foreign policy. He's the only one responsible for foreign policy. If Nancy Pelosi wants to be in charge of foreign policy, she needs to win a presidential election.

LSU
04-10-2007, 01:04 PM
The president is responsible for foreign policy. He's the only one responsible for foreign policy. If Nancy Pelosi wants to be in charge of foreign policy, she needs to win a presidential election.


Don't forget his advisors. I'm sure you meant it as a whole admin, but just wanted to throw that in...

IBC
04-10-2007, 01:07 PM
The president is responsible for foreign policy. He's the only one responsible for foreign policy. If Nancy Pelosi wants to be in charge of foreign policy, she needs to win a presidential election.
Ahhh, what about what Hannity just posted?

Why do we want this guy to continue to error in judgment. The American people have asked for a different way forward, he is giving us more of the same awful idiocy that has got us here.

LSU
04-10-2007, 01:08 PM
Ahhh, what about what Hannity just posted?

Why do we want this guy to continue to error in judgment. The American people have asked for a different way forward, he is giving us more of the same awful idiocy that has got us here.

4 years is 4 years. Not 3 years. Unless he's removed. Otherwise, take the year and deal with it, and do better to not let someone in again that will do the same.

IBC
04-10-2007, 01:16 PM
4 years is 4 years. Not 3 years. Unless he's removed. Otherwise, take the year and deal with it, and do better to not let someone in again that will do the same.
He is subverting the will of both the other branches of government, and teh American people. As I wrote in my other post, foreign policy is not given strictly to the president under the constitution. In fact, there used to be this thing called separation of powers that worked out pretty well. The fact that we are ven talking about this is bullshit. Representatives of our congress have represented us countless times overseas.

LSU
04-10-2007, 01:21 PM
He is subverting the will of both the other branches of government, and teh American people. As I wrote in my other post, foreign policy is not given strictly to the president under the constitution. In fact, there used to be this thing called separation of powers that worked out pretty well. The fact that we are ven talking about this is bullshit. Representatives of our congress have represented us countless times overseas.


I don't disagree with the red. I don't like that the previous Congress allowed him to do it. I blame them, not him. It's his job to do what he sees fit, it's Congress' job to stop him...

And I know reps serve as...well...representatives. And I don't necessarily think what Pelosi did was wrong. She may not of done it smartly, but that doesn't mean it was wrong.

IBC
04-10-2007, 01:25 PM
I don't disagree with the red. I don't like that the previous Congress allowed him to do it. I blame them, not him. It's his job to do what he sees fit, it's Congress' job to stop him...

And I know reps serve as...well...representatives. And I don't necessarily think what Pelosi did was wrong. She may not of done it smartly, but that doesn't mean it was wrong.
Pelosi and 3 other Republicans followed by Issa later. My point would be that most of America is happy this si happening. I hope the President listens to his own party and stops this nonsense about not talking to people he considers enemies.

LSU
04-10-2007, 01:28 PM
Pelosi and 3 other Republicans followed by Issa later. My point would be that most of America is happy this si happening. I hope the President listens to his own party and stops this nonsense about not talking to people he considers enemies.


I agree. The only think I would add is that Pelosi went to Syria with Issa and the 3 others, this would be a non-issue.

IBC
04-10-2007, 01:29 PM
I agree. The only think I would add is that Pelosi went to Syria with Issa and the 3 others, this would be a non-issue.
Yes, they stayed "separate" according to the Republic party.

LSU
04-10-2007, 01:31 PM
Yes, they stayed "separate" according to the Republic party.



Yep. You give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Smart politics. Maybe not smart governance, but smart politics. The Left should take notes.

IBC
04-10-2007, 01:33 PM
Yep. You give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Smart politics. Maybe not smart governance, but smart politics. The Left should take notes.
The one thing I will give these people, is they are good at the game. Really good.

hannitykillspuppies
04-10-2007, 02:19 PM
The president is responsible for foreign policy. He's the only one responsible for foreign policy. If Nancy Pelosi wants to be in charge of foreign policy, she needs to win a presidential election.

i know he's the self proclaimed "decider" however that doesn't mean it's true.

IBC
04-10-2007, 03:27 PM
i know he's the self proclaimed "decider" however that doesn't mean it's true.
I saw a bumper sticker that read "Obama for decider 08"

pnkpanther
04-10-2007, 05:22 PM
Yes, blame Clinton for 9/11 again. You know, Clinton caught and prosecuted those responsible for the 1st WTC bombing. You also know he tried to kill Bin Laden on multiple occasions. How many meeting did Bush have on terror prior to 9/11? Just wondering. This is a total bullshit article, completely detached from reality.


i beleive zero

and condi was to give a speech at John Hopkins on 9-11-01 about the threats facing america, it had to be canceled. The context was never released, but from what's been reproted, she wasnt gonig to once mention the radical islamic terrorist.

IBC
04-10-2007, 05:40 PM
i beleive zero

and condi was to give a speech at John Hopkins on 9-11-01 about the threats facing america, it had to be canceled. The context was never released, but from what's been reproted, she wasnt gonig to once mention the radical islamic terrorist.
yes, this was my point. This stupid article again shifted blame to Clinton. It was a massive failure that everyone played a part in.