Realistic history of Christianity

[Hotpapa666]

I thought it would be interesting to compile some historical facts about Christrianity.

Let's start early:

Here's some info about the church's activity in the middle ages:

http://www.borndigital.com/tinq.htm

A brief overview...

[KinjaKahn]

I thought it would be interesting to compile some historical facts about Christrianity.

Let's start early:

Here's some info about the church's activity in the middle ages:

http://www.borndigital.com/tinq.htm

A brief overview...

ROFL... I am convinced now. :D

[Hotpapa666]

ROFL... I am convinced now. :D


I'll post something every day or so, given 2000 years of attrocities I figure I'll have plenty of amo. :D

[Hotpapa666]

Here's a Wiki on the Catholic Church Sex Scandel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

I know this wiki isn't air-tight, there is probably a little misinformation in it but it is a pretty good overview.

[ryr8828]

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. (1 John 2:18 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=English&version=NIV&passage=1+John+2:18) NIV) This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. (1 John 4:2-3 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=English&version=NIV&passage=1+John+4:2-3) NIV)





Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=English&version=NIV&passage=1+John+2:22) NIV)

Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.(2 John 7 (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?language=English&version=NIV&passage=2+John+7) NIV)

[swordfish]

I think the passage he is looking for is the one that grants immunity for murder. I feel this is the one problem with Christianity. The church will condemn and kill others, which goes against my interpretation of the bible. When you can justify murder in your own mind and in the mind of others I feel that the message of Christianity is lost.

[ryr8828]

Mr. 666,
You can find sins committed by Christians since the beginning of Christianity. Man is not perfect, thus the need for God's forgiveness. Then there are the intentional deceivers

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

and there is you and your ilk:
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

I see nothing in the TOS I wrote denying the antichrist posting privileges, so I suppose you may continue.

[Ed Who?]

Here's one for you, Hotpapa. I pray God opens your eyes.

Matthew 24:4-14 : Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. "

You just need to be careful.

[KinjaKahn]

Hotpapa... when the Christian death toll surpasses the 100,000,000 killed by your left wing commie atheist partners in crime Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin and the 30,000,000 million by your Chinese atheist comrades....


Let me know.

[Jiddy78]

Lotta antichrists out there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Divine_Comedy

The last two circles of Hell punish sins that involve conscious fraud or treachery.


* Eighth Circle. The fraudulent—those guilty of deliberate, knowing evil—are located in a circle named Malebolge ("Evil Pockets"), divided into ten bolgie, or ditches of stone, with bridges spanning the ditches:
o Bolgia 1: Panderers and seducers walk in separate lines in opposite directions, whipped by demons. In the group of panderers the poets notice Venedico Caccianemico, and in the group of seducers Virgil points out Jason.(Canto XVIII)
o Bolgia 2: Flatterers are steeped in human excrement. (Canto XVIII)
o Bolgia 3: Those who committed simony are placed head-first in holes in the rock, with flames burning on the soles of their feet. One of them, Pope Nicholas III, denounces as simonists two of his successors, Pope Boniface VIII and Pope Clement V. (Canto XIX)
o Bolgia 4: Sorcerers and false prophets have their heads twisted around on their bodies backward, so they can only see what is behind them and not into the future.(Canto XX)
o Bolgia 5: Corrupt politicians (barrators) are immersed in a lake of boiling pitch, guarded by devils, the Malebranche ("Evil Claws"). Their leader, Malacoda ("Evil Tail"), assigns a troop to escort Virgil and Dante to the next bridge. The troop hook and torment Ciampolo, who identifies some Italian grafters and then tricks the Malebranche in order to escape back into the pitch. (Cantos XXI through XXIII)
o Bolgia 6: The bridge over this bolgia is broken: the poets climb down into it and find the Hypocrites listlessly walking along wearing gold-gilded lead cloaks. Dante speaks with Catalano and Loderingo, members of the Jovial Friars. It is also ironic in this canto that whilst in the company of hypocrites, the poets also discover that the guardians of the fraudulent (the malebranche) are hypocrites themselves, as they find that they have lied to them, giving false directions, when at the same time they are punishing liars for similar sins. (Canto XXIII)
o Bolgia 7: Thieves, guarded by the centaur (as Dante describes him) Cacus, are pursued and bitten by snakes. The snake bites make them undergo various transformations, with some resurrected after being turned to ashes, some mutating into new creatures, and still others exchanging natures with the snakes, becoming snakes themselves that chase the other thieves in turn. (Cantos XXIV and XXV)
o Bolgia 8: Fraudulent advisors are encased in individual flames. Dante includes Ulysses and Diomedes together here for their role in the Trojan War. Ulysses tells the tale of his fatal final voyage, where he left his home and family to sail to the end of the Earth. He equated life as a pursuit of knowledge that humanity can attain through effort, and in his search God sank his ship outside of Mount Purgatory. This symbolizes the inability of the individual to carve out one's own salvation. Instead, one must be totally subservient to the will of God and realize the inability of one to be a God unto oneself. Guido da Montefeltro recounts how his advice to Pope Boniface VIII resulted in his damnation, despite Boniface's promise of absolution. (Cantos XXVI and XXVII)
o Bolgia 9: A sword-wielding demon hacks at the sowers of discord. As they make their rounds the wounds heal, only to have the demon tear apart their bodies again. Muhammad tells Dante to warn the schismatic and heretic Fra Dolcino. (Cantos XXVIII and XXIX)
o Bolgia 10: Groups of various sorts of falsifiers (alchemists, counterfeiters, perjurers, and impersonators) are afflicted with different types of diseases. (Cantos XXIX and XXX)

[IBC]

Rapture!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jiddy78]

All that's left is pnky to bring in his divorce/remarriage/adultery/sin comments and this thread is complete. Well done everybody. Well done.

[IBC]

All that's left is pnky to bring in his divorce/remarriage/adultery/sin comments and this thread is complete. Well done everybody. Well done.

I can't stand the baby Jesus.... or homos..... or baby-killers.... or Bush.... WARMONGERS!!!!!!!!!

['Lifer]

This gets so confusing.

Where's all the Christian love?

[Emmanuel]

This gets so confusing.

Where's all the Christian love?
Here. (http://www.christianbale.net/)

I'll leave the low brow answer to the heathens.

[IBC]

Hotpapa... when the Christian death toll surpasses the 100,000,000 killed by your left wing commie atheist partners in crime Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin and the 30,000,000 million by your Chinese atheist comrades....


Let me know.
Lol

['Lifer]

Here. (http://www.christianbale.net/)

I'll leave the low brow answer to the heathens.

I'm afraid to enter that kingdom.

[Reagan Smash]

Lotta antichrists out there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Divine_Comedy


I was always impressed Dante had so much time to write that while working at the Quickstop and playing roof hockey.

[Hotpapa666]

I'm not going to respond to every post in this thread, mostly because I can't, I'm typing on the other side of the world and I sleep/work while you are awake, also, I don't want this thread to degenerate into a battle of cutesy quips.

First, Kinja points out that atrocities have been commited by athiests, most notably, Hitler and Stalin. That is absolutely true, Athiests have done terrible things. But this raises a few interesting points.

1. Athiesm doesn't, as Christianity does, claim to make people better, more moral people. Athiesm doesn't say anything except that there is no God. Christianity is supposed to lift people up morally, Athiesm makes no such claims. To prevent the arguments from the shadows and the nil I'll also say that Atheism doesn't/hasn't promote immorallity by Christian or any other standard, Morality is a simple part of biology, just as every other social trait is.

2. Hitler and Stalin were atheists, they were not acting with the support of Atheism. The atrocieties that I have listed so far are done at least with tacit consent of the church and at worst perpatrated by the church itself. Remember, the church is supposed to be the organization that improves people morally. There is no such thing as organized Atheism in the same way that there is an Organized Catholic Church, nor will there ever be; people don't get together to celebrate shit that they don't believe in. Atheism isn't about people believing in something...

3. If the best thing that Christianity can say about their role in history is that it hasn't been as bad as Hitler and Stalin COMBINED, well, that ain't saying much. In the case of those two, humanity was bright enough to get rid of the systems that generated them comparatively quickly, Hitler under two decades, hardcore Stalinism, roughly 50 years. Christianity is commiting horrendous acts in the name of God for it's 21st century and people continue to make excuses for it.


To round out my ideas. The posting of scripture has always been a head scratcher for me. Don't get me wrong, I understand the power of poetry, and how easily one can become fired up by well written poetry, it has a mystical quality, it's definitions lie in shadows and require great thought to unravel and even then the words are mysterious. The Bible is really just a collection of poems and stories with meanings more maluable than sheets of lead; people bend the meanings of verses of scripture so much that they can take any meaning at all. Not the kind of book that it is easy to live ones life by; there is just too much left open to interpretation and too many contradictions.

[Ed Who?]

1. Athiesm doesn't, as Christianity does, claim to make people better, more moral people.

Communism claims to eliminate the poor as well.

2. Hitler and Stalin were atheists, they were not acting with the support of Atheism.

All atheists are awesome, except for the ones who commit atrocities, then they are simply madmen acting of their own will.

Let's change a couple of things:

All Christians are awesome, except for the ones who commit atrocities, then they are simply madmen acting of their own will.

Hmm, you would not allow me the luxury of making the second statement, even though that's the exact and proper answer. You just condemned Christians because of a few zealots. But yet you aren't willing to condemn people who despise Christianity because of a few zealots.

3. If the best thing that Christianity can say about their role in history is that it hasn't been as bad as Hitler and Stalin COMBINED, well, that ain't saying much. In the case of those two, humanity was bright enough to get rid of the systems that generated them comparatively quickly, Hitler under two decades, hardcore Stalinism, roughly 50 years. Christianity is commiting horrendous acts in the name of God for it's 21st century and people continue to make excuses for it.

You are so full of shit. Horrendous acts in the name of God? Name one right now. War on Terror? Let me check the evidence. Four airplanes, four buildings (if passenger mutiny hadn't prevailed).

If you want a dose of reality, take a bus over to Mecca. Try to proclaim there's no Allah. See how quickly your head rolls down the dirt path, buddy. You think Christians are intolerant, you haven't seen anything.

Your whole argument against Christianity is that the whole group is a bunch of aggressive zealots who will kill anyone who disagrees. I guess you must be fortunate, because if that were actually true, your head would be rolling right now. But no, we tolerate morons who get amusement from taunting, ridiculing, and pissing on the name of our God. According to your characterization, we probably should be taking bets on whether God will dip you head or feet first into the lake of fire, but no, I pretty much mourn the fact you will not listen. It breaks my heart actually.

[KinjaKahn]

If you want a dose of reality, take a bus over to Mecca. Try to proclaim there's no Allah. See how quickly your head rolls down the dirt path, buddy. You think Christians are intolerant, you haven't seen anything.

Non-Muslims ARE NOT ALLOWED in Mecca.

[Hotpapa666]

I have some time so I'll deal with your points as you made them. Sadly, If I respond to your post the quotes that you link will not show up, so I will deal with them as originally numbered, by me.

1: Communism and atheism are different things. Communism is a political system. Atheism is the evidence based acknowledgement that there is no god.

2. If that is the paradigm that you are willing to deal with than you will have to accept a few corallaries. First, is that Christians and Atheists act alone. Which means that there is nothing that ties the members of either group to the other members of the group. Which, for Christians, means that there is nothing to bind you together, meaning, since the thing that binds all Christians together is god, there is no god.

3. I'm not really sure where to start, so I guess I'll just go and see where it takes me. The fact that the Christian zealots of my home country no longer kill people who disagree with them I should be overjoyed. A brief 75 years ago protestants were hanging black men and black women in the name of god. How is that for a history? What does it say about the history of your church when you look at pictures of your church's members, torches in hand, crosses burning, cheering the death of a man hanged for the crime of being black? That is one reality of Christianity in America. So is mass rape, child molestation...

History has shown in shocking detail how the benevolent link between man and god desolves into hatred, slavery, murder and rape (even in the pages in the Christian Bible) at the first sign of distress.

Wanna know why?


Because the whole story is made up to fit with how people normally, socially react to problems and is set to poetry. Check it out, you can almost dance to it...

[KinjaKahn]

3. If the best thing that Christianity can say about their role in history is that it hasn't been as bad as Hitler and Stalin COMBINED, well, that ain't saying much.

Do you really believe this? Perhaps you could turn your eyes to some of the Good Christianity does for PEOPLE. Upon an honest look, If you still see no benefit in Christianity, then maybe you can come up with a Plan for Government to replace countless... Orphanages, Hospitals, Hospice centers, Schools, Univeristies, Drug rehab centers, Homeless shelters and soup kitchens... Then find some good people to run them, which will be alot tougher.

In the case of those two, humanity was bright enough to get rid of the systems that generated them comparatively quickly, Hitler under two decades, hardcore Stalinism, roughly 50 years. Christianity is commiting horrendous acts in the name of God for it's 21st century and people continue to make excuses for it.
Examples required of those Christians committing these acts in the 21st century in the name of God.

[Ed Who?]

History has shown in shocking detail how the benevolent link between man and god desolves into hatred, slavery, murder and rape (even in the pages in the Christian Bible) at the first sign of distress.

Honestly, I really truly feel sorry for you. I am not sure what Christians (or a Christian in particular) has done to you personally, but I pray that someday the brick wall you've erected around your heart crumbles for reasons unbeknownest to you.

[Hotpapa666]

Do you really believe this? Perhaps you could turn your eyes to some of the Good Christianity does for PEOPLE. Upon an honest look, If you still see no benefit in Christianity, then maybe you can come up with a Plan for Government to replace countless... Orphanages, Hospitals, Hospice centers, Schools, Univeristies, Drug rehab centers, Homeless shelters and soup kitchens... Then find some good people to run them, which will be alot tougher. .

I have never in my life said that Christianity has never done anything good for people. I will say that Christianity has never done anything for humanity that humanity could not have done for itself. For example, charity is not a christian invention. I live in a country that is Shinto/Buddist/atheist in beliefs and all of the same charities are provided for, Orphanages, Selters (I volunteer at one) schools, Unis, there aren't really drugs in Japan so no rahab, etc.. People here donate their time out of a sense of purpose, a sense of keeping the social order intact. No Christian god or sense of redmption needed.


Examples required of those Christians committing these acts in the 21st century in the name of God.

I don't have any particulars on Christians raping children in this century so I guess they are off the hook for the past years. But, the church has been actively covering it up...

[Hotpapa666]

Honestly, I really truly feel sorry for you. I am not sure what Christians (or a Christian in particular) has done to you personally, but I pray that someday the brick wall you've erected around your heart crumbles for reasons unbeknownest to you.


I'm not sure why you feel sorry for me. I live a beautiful life, in a beautiful country, I have a beautiful life and I enjoy the freedom to do whatever I want. I haven't erected a brick wall against anything but, let's make a deal, instead of praying for me, I propose a deal:

Let's work together to make the world a better place. I'll match you hour for hour in community service. We'll start another to catalog the things that we as able bodied citizens should be doing anyway, regardless of faith. We'll figure out how to keep each other honest later.

Deal?

[KinjaKahn]

1: Communism and atheism are different things. Communism is a political system. Atheism is the evidence based acknowledgement that there is no god.
Comical. Atheists cannot exist without God. Who would atheists not believe in to rebel against? Let me guess... ummmm Loch Ness Monster, unicorns, and Bigfoot?

3. I'm not really sure where to start, so I guess I'll just go and see where it takes me. The fact that the Christian zealots of my home country no longer kill people who disagree with them I should be overjoyed. A brief 75 years ago protestants were hanging black men and black women in the name of god. How is that for a history? What does it say about the history of your church when you look at pictures of your church's members, torches in hand, crosses burning, cheering the death of a man hanged for the crime of being black? That is one reality of Christianity in America. So is mass rape, child molestation...

History has shown in shocking detail how the benevolent link between man and god desolves into hatred, slavery, murder and rape (even in the pages in the Christian Bible) at the first sign of distress.

Prior to religion there was no morality to stop molestation, mass rape, and murder. Without religion I doubt man would have ever grown out of nomadic tribes.

[KinjaKahn]

I have never in my life said that Christianity has never done anything good for people. I will say that Christianity has never done anything for humanity that humanity could not have done for itself. For example, charity is not a christian invention. I live in a country that is Shinto/Buddist/atheist in beliefs and all of the same charities are provided for, Orphanages, Selters (I volunteer at one) schools, Unis, there aren't really drugs in Japan so no rahab, etc.. People here donate their time out of a sense of purpose, a sense of keeping the social order intact. No Christian god or sense of redmption needed.
Francis Xavier, a Jesuit missionary, went to Kagoshime in August 1549. The Jesuit missionary work was concentrated on Kyushu (the southernmost island of Japan) and by 1579 six regional military lords were converted to Christianity. There were about 100,000 Christians, but the efforts of the Jesuits were initially not taken seriously by the military leaders, Oda Nobunagaa and Toyotomi Hideyoshi. As the Christian influence began to spread in Kyushu, Hideyoshi attempted to put a stop to it by having 26 Christians crucified at Nagasaki in 1597. In 1600, Tokugasa Ieyasu became the de facto ruler of Japan and allowed the missionaries to remain, but 14 years later the government forbade Christianity and forced the missionaries out of the country. At this point in time, there were about 300,000 Japanese Christians and many of them renounced Christianity as a result of persecution. In addition, it is estimated that about 3,000 Christians were executed. In spite of the persecution, many Christians remained strong in their beliefs and worshipped in private.

Perhaps a more accurate look at Japan is required?




I don't have any particulars on Christians raping children in this century so I guess they are off the hook for the past years. But, the church has been actively covering it up...
So why Lie about it. Did you think nobody would notice?

[Hotpapa666]

Francis Xavier, a Jesuit missionary, went to Kagoshime in August 1549. The Jesuit missionary work was concentrated on Kyushu (the southernmost island of Japan) and by 1579 six regional military lords were converted to Christianity. There were about 100,000 Christians, but the efforts of the Jesuits were initially not taken seriously by the military leaders, Oda Nobunagaa and Toyotomi Hideyoshi. As the Christian influence began to spread in Kyushu, Hideyoshi attempted to put a stop to it by having 26 Christians crucified at Nagasaki in 1597. In 1600, Tokugasa Ieyasu became the de facto ruler of Japan and allowed the missionaries to remain, but 14 years later the government forbade Christianity and forced the missionaries out of the country. At this point in time, there were about 300,000 Japanese Christians and many of them renounced Christianity as a result of persecution. In addition, it is estimated that about 3,000 Christians were executed. In spite of the persecution, many Christians remained strong in their beliefs and worshipped in private.

Perhaps a more accurate look at Japan is required?





So why Lie about it. Did you think nobody would notice?


Care to give a source?

And, what did I lie about? You certainly aren't talking about the decades of boy raping that were pushed under the rug by your church are you? Hey, about the Bishop that was promoted to Cardinal during the mess? Wasn't he Bishop in one of the major boy raping diocese? Oh yeah, good things, very good things...

[Ed Who?]

Let's work together to make the world a better place. I'll match you hour for hour in community service. We'll start another to catalog the things that we as able bodied citizens should be doing anyway, regardless of faith. We'll figure out how to keep each other honest later.


I'll estimate 4 hours of service per week for me currently, and that isn't even counting my preparation time etc.

[KinjaKahn]

Care to give a source?Tell me i'm lying and prove me wrong.

And, what did I lie about?
Christianity is commiting horrendous acts in the name of God for it's 21st century and people continue to make excuses for it.


You certainly aren't talking about the decades of boy raping that were pushed under the rug by your church are you? Hey, about the Bishop that was promoted to Cardinal during the mess? Wasn't he Bishop in one of the major boy raping diocese? Oh yeah, good things, very good things...
How much Teacher molestation has been covered up? do you really think this is just a new phenomena? Molesters seek access to children. I don't have a defense for faggot priest pedophile fiends. Rest ASSURED, the Church is not promoting the molestation of children nor has it ever. The issues with any coverup is purely something that would have to have come from personal relationships between bishops and priests.

[IBC]

Tell me i'm lying and prove me wrong.






How much Teacher molestation has been covered up? do you really think this is just a new phenomena? Molesters seek access to children. I don't have a defense for faggot priest pedophile fiends. Rest ASSURED, the Church is not promoting the molestation of children nor has it ever. The issues with any coverup is purely something that would have to have come from personal relationships between bishops and priests.
Ahhh, "faggot priest pedophile fiends."

[KinjaKahn]

Ahhh, "faggot priest pedophile fiends."
Oh I forgot... lets not hurt their feelings. Is "unpopular priest" PC enough for you?

[IBC]

Oh I forgot... lets not hurt their feelings. Is "unpopular priest" PC enough for you?

No, what you said is fucking disgusting. PC? WTF is the matter with you?

[Hotpapa666]

Tell me i'm lying and prove me wrong. .

It is the role of the person who quotes information to varify that information.


How much Teacher molestation has been covered up? do you really think this is just a new phenomena? Molesters seek access to children. I don't have a defense for faggot priest pedophile fiends. Rest ASSURED, the Church is not promoting the molestation of children nor has it ever. The issues with any coverup is purely something that would have to have come from personal relationships between bishops and priests.

The answers to these questions have been well documented. The Catholic Church lost millions of members over the Priest raping scandels, a court case and lotsa dough. If you want to justify Priests raping children because teachers have criminally raped children, well, that's you're own brand of logic. You can justify child rape as long as you want to. I'll go on thinking that it is evil, the Catholic church will go on sweeping it under the rug.

[KinjaKahn]

No, what you said is fucking disgusting. PC? WTF is the matter with you?
Only disgusting to those who are, ignorant, intentionally or not, to what was going on. The VAST majority of pedophile priests were molesting boys. I backed, this assertion of fact, up with proof. Any questions about it? Hit the search button. You like fags, I don't. You want kids brought up to believe it's the equal opposite of heterosexual relations, I don't.

[KinjaKahn]

It is the role of the person who quotes information to varify that information.
Information provided by the Japanese Embassy.




The answers to these questions have been well documented. The Catholic Church lost millions of members over the Priest raping scandels, a court case and lotsa dough. If you want to justify Priests raping children because teachers have criminally raped children, well, that's you're own brand of logic. You can justify child rape as long as you want to. I'll go on thinking that it is evil, the Catholic church will go on sweeping it under the rug.
Child molestation is not part of Christianity. Allow me to make it simpler; the same argument you make about madmen who murdered MILLIONS while subscribing to the tenets atheism.

[IBC]

Only disgusting to those who are, ignorant, intentionally or not, to what was going on. The VAST majority of pedophile priests were molesting boys. I backed, this assertion of fact, up with proof. Any questions about it? Hit the search button. You like fags, I don't. You want kids brought up to believe it's the equal opposite of heterosexual relations, I don't.

This is a disgusting attitude. I am blown away that this level of ignorance exists from people that can spell. Fuckin' disgusting.

[IBC]

Child molestation is not part of Christianity. Allow me to make it simpler; the same argument you make about madmen who murdered MILLIONS while subscribing to the tenets atheism.
But it is apparently part of homosexuality? It is a jaded world you live in.

[IBC]

Only disgusting to those who are, ignorant, intentionally or not, to what was going on. The VAST majority of pedophile priests were molesting boys. I backed, this assertion of fact, up with proof. Any questions about it? Hit the search button. You like fags, I don't. You want kids brought up to believe it's the equal opposite of heterosexual relations, I don't.

Yes, you backed that up? You were blown out of the water by most people in that argument and made yourself look desperate and ignorant.

[Ed Who?]

But it is apparently part of homosexuality? It is a jaded world you live in.

Here is the point. .................................................. ...................... Here is where you are.

Broad swipes are bullshit, and so isn't KK's. BUUUUUUUT, Hotpapa has just smeared the entirety of Christianity because of a few bad apples.

Someone wanted to stir some shit, read the initial post. They're getting it, and I'm sure they will get it one day.

[KinjaKahn]

But it is apparently part of homosexuality? It is a jaded world you live in.
It's also a despicable part of heterosexuality. Rejection of homosexual behavior by the church combined with a policy that doesn't permit priests to marry, creates a hiding place for Catholic deviants, and subsequently fouls the priesthood with homosexuals.

[IBC]

It's also a despicable part of heterosexuality. Rejection of homosexual behavior by the church combined with a policy that doesn't permit priests to marry, creates a hiding place for Catholic deviants, and subsequently fouls the priesthood with homosexuals.

If it is part of heterosexuality and homosexuality it is part of the church too. WTF?

[IBC]

Here is the point. .................................................. ...................... Here is where you are.

Broad swipes are bullshit, and so isn't KK's. BUUUUUUUT, Hotpapa has just smeared the entirety of Christianity because of a few bad apples.

Someone wanted to stir some shit, read the initial post. They're getting it, and I'm sure they will get it one day.

I don't agree with the way HP is going about this.

[KinjaKahn]

If it is part of heterosexuality and homosexuality it is part of the church too. WTF?
You're clueless. Go to Church!

[IBC]

You're clueless. Go to Church!

Oh, because I can't follow your brilliant logic? Give me a break man, here is somebody who was taken to task on their bigoted and ignorant views, so he says "go to church". Nice man.

[KinjaKahn]

Oh, because I can't follow your brilliant logic? Give me a break man, here is somebody who was taken to task on their bigoted and ignorant views, so he says "go to church". Nice man.
I am not the Church thus I instruct you to seek answers there. Taken to task? By someone who's taking the side with the ideals of the wicked to prove that my faith is really the wicked ideal? Am I not to laugh at this?

[IBC]

I am not the Church thus I instruct you to seek answers there. Taken to task? By someone who's taking the side with the ideals of the wicked to prove that my faith is really the wicked ideal? Am I not to laugh at this?

Faith?
You like fags, I don't.
faggot priest pedophile fiends.


LOL!!!!!!!!

[KinjaKahn]

Faith?
Clue: Homosexuality, the acts, are forbidden by valid Christian faiths. Homosexuals need to give up the acts and renounce them, to be accepted.

LOL!!!!!!!!
You're hysteria is amusing.

[Ed Who?]

Clue: Homosexuality, the acts, are forbidden by valid Christian faiths. Homosexuals need to give up the acts and renounce them, to be accepted.


You're hysteria is amusing.

You're preaching to people who would rather not listen. Truth is constant. Whether one chooses to listen or not, the truth remains.

[IBC]

Clue: Homosexuality, the acts, are forbidden by valid Christian faiths. Homosexuals need to give up the acts and renounce them, to be accepted.


You're hysteria is amusing.

Seriously? Your church encourages you to hate homosexuals? Call them faggots? That is unlike most Christian churches, and against anything Jesus ever said.

[IBC]

You're preaching to people who would rather not listen. Truth is constant. Whether one chooses to listen or not, the truth remains.

Truth, Jesus wants you to call homosexuals faggots?

[KinjaKahn]

Truth, Jesus wants you to call homosexuals faggots?
Would he prefer, pole smoker, deviant freak, or semen burping slimeball? Whatever word you use that they don't like is the essentially the same; offensive.

[Jiddy78]

Clue: Homosexuality, the acts, are forbidden by valid Christian faiths. Homosexuals need to give up the acts and renounce them, to be accepted.


You're hysteria is amusing.
Acts of greed are forbidden by valid Christian faiths. Greedy f*cks who act upon their greed must give up the acts and renounce them, to be accepted.


Wonderful alliteration. Thank you.

[KinjaKahn]

Acts of greed are forbidden by valid Christian faiths. Greedy f*cks who act upon their greed must give up the acts and renounce them, to be accepted.


Wonderful alliteration. Thank you.
I missed the alliteration... help me.

[IBC]

Would he prefer, pole smoker, deviant freak, or semen burping slimeball? Whatever word you use that they don't like is the essentially the same; offensive.

No, i am quite sure He would prefer none of those. Was Jesus for hatred?

[KinjaKahn]

No, i am quite sure He would prefer none of those. Was Jesus for hatred?

Not sure... but he didn't like those "greedy f*cks" (Thanks Jiddy) called moneychangers in the Temple.

[Ed Who?]

Acts of greed are forbidden by valid Christian faiths. Greedy f*cks who act upon their greed must give up the acts and renounce them, to be accepted.


Leave the baptist "name-it-and-claim-it"'s out of it.

[Reagan Smash]

Acts of greed are forbidden by valid Christian faiths. Greedy f*cks who act upon their greed must give up the acts and renounce them, to be accepted.


Wonderful alliteration. Thank you.


Thank God for Protestant Values

[Jiddy78]

I missed the alliteration... help me.

Upon review...You suck. Ok...I suck...but really, you should suck too. Just because.

Signed,

Messenger Killer

[Hotpapa666]

Child molestation is not part of Christianity. Allow me to make it simpler; the same argument you make about madmen who murdered MILLIONS while subscribing to the tenets atheism.


First, there are no tenets of atheism. It isn't, as many religious leaders claim, an alternative faith to Christianity. It is the absence of faith. You might want to copy this somewhere because I am sure that you try and raise this argument again, it is one of the few arrows in the Christian quiver.

Second, the Catholic Church has long supported the rape of children. Monestaries and Convents throughout the middle ages until very recently were used as free whore houses by members of church (and others), this is very well documented through letters from the time and well ridiculed in such contemporary works as "The Canterbury Tale", "The Decameron", etc.. Remember, in those days, children were brought to the whore house, I mean convent, in their early teens. This was all done with every level of the church knowing about it. Certainly that counts as molestation being part of Christianity. The Catholic Church's support of the sexual abuse of children has continued to modern times. Rather than turn in Priests who serially raped children, they moved them around to protect them and allow them to rape again. This was done with the knowledge of high members of the church. Certainly this quilifies as Christianity supporting the rape of children. Etc.

You don't get to have it both ways. Christianity may have done some decent thing throughout it's history but it's done a hell of a lot of evil shit as well. I would think that an organization that is supposed to represent the word of god on Earth would not commit evil acts, would not be permited by god to commit those acts.

[MTVike]

Second, the Catholic Church has long supported the rape of children. Monestaries and Convents throughout the middle ages until very recently were used as free whore houses by members of church (and others), this is very well documented through letters from the time and well ridiculed in such contemporary works as "The Canterbury Tale", "The Decameron", etc.. Remember, in those days, children were brought to the whore house, I mean convent, in their early teens. This was all done with every level of the church knowing about it. Certainly that counts as molestation being part of Christianity. The Catholic Church's support of the sexual abuse of children has continued to modern times. Rather than turn in Priests who serially raped children, they moved them around to protect them and allow them to rape again. This was done with the knowledge of high members of the church. Certainly this quilifies as Christianity supporting the rape of children. Etc.



You're out of your tree if you think the Catholic church knowingly supported the abuse of children. You must separate the deeds of fallen men from the ideals of Christianity.

There are closeted homosexual priests and even pedophiles that are part of the Catholic church. There are these types in any institution that comes into contact with the public, including schools, hospitals, etc. I'm not aware the numbers of offending clergy in the church are that much higher than those in the general population per capita, but it sure makes for good headlines. The criminals disguised as clergy are a very small majority.

You need to separate the sins of men from the Christianity whose followers endeavor to live life in the way Christ showed us. Do any of us live up to this ideal? No. But his path is without error.

[Hotpapa666]

You're out of your tree if you think the Catholic church knowingly supported the abuse of children. You must separate the deeds of fallen men from the ideals of Christianity.

Except that it is very well documented that the Catholic Church knew of and often supported institutions that abused Children sexually, the cases I mention above are two prominent examples.

[KinjaKahn]

Except that it is very well documented that the Catholic Church knew of and often supported institutions that abused Children sexually, the cases I mention above are two prominent examples.
So how does this reflect negatively on the Amish, Jehovah Witness's, Baptists, etc... ? Is your problem really with the Catholic Church and you just don't know it?

[Ed Who?]

First, there are no tenets of atheism.

Fortunately for you, there really is a God that sorted out all the moral stuff at the beginning. Otherwise, you'd probably have a shiv stuck through your heart because some modern version of a Barbarian would have stabbed you for the fun of it. Seeing that there's really no basis for morality, right?

[Hotpapa666]

So how does this reflect negatively on the Amish, Jehovah Witness's, Baptists, etc... ? Is your problem really with the Catholic Church and you just don't know it?

Christians will, mostly, agree that they share the same god, heaven, hell and basic tenets. There are some ideas that vary but on the big issues listed above they all agree enough that they can be lumped together. And, for the first 3/4 of the history of Christianity in Western Europe (which is where these other religions either grew from, or were an inspiration to their creators) there was only a Catholic Church. So, it's a pretty good time frame to pick apart Christianity; there was only one church in the most successful area of the world, that had to be the right one, right? Well, God didn't run with a very moral horse. Also, if I don't get bored with this, which I will in time, I will probably get to just about any major sect of Christianity. Maybe tonight, if I don't get caught up in the spirit of the weekend, I'll post some evil commited by some Protestants, will that make you feel better?

My problem is with ALL religion, everywhere, Religion tricks people into believing in things aren't real, which in Children is fine, Santa is a wonderful illusion to have as a kid,but for adults, it is posion to the mind.

[Hotpapa666]

Fortunately for you, there really is a God that sorted out all the moral stuff at the beginning. Otherwise, you'd probably have a shiv stuck through your heart because some modern version of a Barbarian would have stabbed you for the fun of it. Seeing that there's really no basis for morality, right?

I have never said that there is no basis for morality, I just don't think that there is a Christian basis for it. I think it grows out of a combination of our biology, social and historical context. The moral question of murder is answered the same way in every culture throughout the world, for a reason, it is deemed wrong for Christians, Shinto, Hindus, tribesmen in Papau/ New Guinea, everywhere. It didn't take Moses carrying down some tablets to teach the Jews that Murder was wrong, they fucking knew that from the beginning, there was nothing profound on those tablets, it's a combination of common sense (biology) and cultural standards.

[Ed Who?]

My problem is with ALL religion, everywhere, Religion tricks people into believing in things aren't real, which in Children is fine, Santa is a wonderful illusion to have as a kid,but for adults, it is posion to the mind.

Atheism tricks people into believing that there is no higher power.

[Hotpapa666]

OK, here's an article about the Amish and their taste for incest.

Enjoy: http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2005/feature_labi_janfeb05.msp

Such gentle people...

[Reagan Smash]

So because many of these vast religions have people that circumvent the beliefs of the religion, people should instead believe in nothing, because there is nothing to circumvent?

[Jiddy78]

Here's my Catholic history tidbit for the day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

St. Thomas Aquinas, the leading theologian of the Catholic Church, argued charging of interest is wrong because it amounts to "double charging", charging for both the thing and the use of the thing. Aquinas said this would be morally wrong in the same way as if one sold a bottle of wine, charged for the bottle of wine, and then charged for the person using the wine to actually drink it. Similarly, one cannot charge for a piece of cake and for the eating of the piece of cake. Yet this, said Aquinas, is what usury does. Money is exchange-medium. It is used up when it is spent. To charge for the money and for its use (by spending) is to charge for the money twice. It is also to sell time since the usurer charges, in effect, for the time that the money is in the hands of the borrower. Time, however, is not a commodity that anyone can sell. (For a detailed discussion of Aquinas and usury, go to Thought of Thomas Aquinas Part I).

This did not, as some think, prevent investment. What it stipulated was that in order for the investor to share in the profit he must share the risk. In short he must be a joint-venturer. Simply to invest the money and expect it to be returned regardless of the success of the venture was to make money simply by having money and not by taking any risk or by doing any work or by any effort or sacrifice at all. This is usury. St Thomas quotes Aristotle as saying that "to live by usury is exceedingly unnatural". Islam likewise condemns usury. Judaism condemns it save when practised against non-Jews. St Thomas allows, however, charges for actual services provided. Thus a banker or credit-lender could charge for such actual work or effort as he did carry out e.g. any fair administrative charges. The Catholic Church, in a decree of the 5th Lateran Council (Session 10, 4 May 1515) expressly allowed such charges in respect of credit-unions run for the benefit of the poor known as "montes pietatis".

In the 13th century Cardinal Hostiensis enumerated thirteen situations in which charging interest was not immoral.[8] The most important of these was lucrum cessans (profits given up) which allowed for the lender to charge interest "to compensate him for profit foregone in investing the money himself." (Rothbard 1995, p. 46) This idea is very similar to Opportunity Cost. Many scholastic thinkers who argued for a ban on interest charges also argued for the legitimacy of lucrum cessans profits (e.g. Pierre Jean Olivi and St. Bernardino of Siena).



And, for those that actually read some of the sh*t I've been typing over the past few years:

In The Divine Comedy Dante places the usurers in the inner ring of the seventh circle of hell, below even suicides. (Showing how cultural attitudes have changed since the 14th century, the usurers' ring was shared only by the blasphemers and sodomites.)


The whole history of usury is fantasizing to me. I think Cardinal Hostiensis f*cked up.

[KinjaKahn]

My problem is with ALL religion, everywhere, Religion tricks people into believing in things aren't real, which in Children is fine, Santa is a wonderful illusion to have as a kid,but for adults, it is posion to the mind.
Do you believe in Love?

[Hotpapa666]

So because many of these vast religions have people that circumvent the beliefs of the religion, people should instead believe in nothing, because there is nothing to circumvent?


That's not really the logic that I would use. For many years religious people have used the arguement that religion makes people better, more moral people. But, it doesn't work that way, there are as many scoundrel Christians, Jews, Shinto, etc.. as their are non-religious people. It's not really an argument FOR atheism as much as it is an argument debunking one of the arguements that religious people use to justify their religion.

Also, I think it is important to look at all of the things done by the religious and religious institutions. It makes me wonder where god is and what he's doing while his supposed representatives are spreading evil around the world.

[Hotpapa666]

Do you believe in Love?

Semetantics about the meaning of "believe" aside, yes, I believe in Love as I believe in all emotions. And, the existence of emotions does nothing to further an argument for a god, emotions are felt by many species, not just those "choosen by god".

[IBC]

Semetantics about the meaning of "believe" aside, yes, I believe in Love as I believe in all emotions. And, the existence of emotions does nothing to further an argument for a god, emotions are felt by many species, not just those "choosen by god".

Dog is love.

[swordfish]

OK to recap.

Calling child molesters homosexuals is bad.
Calling the whole of Christianity evil is good.

Any questions?

[IBC]

OK to recap.

Calling child molesters homosexuals is bad.
Calling the whole of Christianity evil is good.

Any questions?

No, both are bad and inaccurate.

[IBC]

OK to recap.

Calling child molesters homosexuals is bad.
Calling the whole of Christianity evil is good.

Any questions?
Oh, and I think this is a bit mischaracterized of what was said. Filthy fa**ots makes it a bit different for me.

[KinjaKahn]

Oh, and I think this is a bit mischaracterized of what was said. Filthy fa**ots makes it a bit different for me.

No it isn't... you're just too heart broken that I used a word you can't bring yourself to type.

[Hotpapa666]

Here's one that fell on my homepage like a gift from Zeus:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/18/church.abuse.alaska.ap/index.html

Another proud day in the Catholic Church.

[Reagan Smash]

Here's one that fell on my homepage like a gift from Zeus:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/18/church.abuse.alaska.ap/index.html

Another proud day in the Catholic Church.


Throwing out the baby with the bathwater

[swordfish]

http://httpwwwbabyboomeradvisorclubcom.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/the-atheist-and-the-killer-shark/

There is this atheist swimming in the ocean. All of the sudden he sees this shark in the water, so he starts swimming towards his boat.

As he looks back he sees the shark turn and head towards him. His boat is a ways off and he starts swimming like crazy. He’s scared to death, and as he turns to see the jaws of the great white beast open revealing its teeth in a horrific splendor, the atheist screams, “Oh God! Save me!”

In an instant time is frozen and a bright light shines down from above. The man is motionless in the water when he hears the voice of God say, “You are an atheist. Why do you call upon me when you do not believe in me?”

Aghast with confusion and knowing he can’t lie the man replies, “Well, that’s true I don’t believe in you, but how about the shark? Can you make the shark believe in you?”

The Lord replies, “As you wish,” and the light retracted back into the heavens and the man could feel the water begin to move once again.

As the atheist looks back he can see the jaws of the shark start to close down on him, when all of sudden the shark stops and pulls back.

Shocked, the man looks at the shark as the huge beast closes its eyes and bows its head and says, “Thank you Lord for this food for which I am about to receive…”

[Hotpapa666]

Throwing out the baby with the bathwater

Except that these are grown men. Grown men more interested in the Baby than the bath water it would seem...

[IBC]

No it isn't... you're just too heart broken that I used a word you can't bring yourself to type.

I was at home and I have to copy and paste "g" because I lost the "g" on my keyboard. Thought that worked as well as anything. By teh way, it doesn't take bravery or courage to type that word.

[Ed Who?]

I was at home and I have to copy and paste "g" because I lost the "g" on my keyboard. Thought that worked as well as anything. By teh way, it doesn't take bravery or courage to type that word.

No, just brains.

[IBC]

No, just brains.

Really smart people say faggot all the time? That is rich.

[IBC]

Harassing people because of what type of life they live is not protected speech. Hate is not a Christian value. Therapy is a good start for those who hate homosexuals so much that they resort to name-calling and ignorance. Unless a homosexual has done you wrong (and it is still idiocy to blame the whole group), think of what is the matter with you people that you believe in attacking a whole group of people for no reason. Stop twisting your religion.

[Ed Who?]

Except that these are grown men. Grown men more interested in the Baby than the bath water it would seem...

Humans cannot be perfect. You can hold clergy to higher standards, but undoubtedly they will fail. Just like leaders of atheism will fail. And unfortunately for them, they are too closedminded to understand that debt has been paid. One's own religion (or lack thereof) doesn't dictate the standard their lives will be held to in the end.

[Ed Who?]

Really smart people say faggot all the time? That is rich.

I thougth you meant "God."

[Ed Who?]

Harassing people because of what type of life they live is not protected speech. Hate is not a Christian value. Therapy is a good start for those who hate homosexuals so much that they resort to name-calling and ignorance. Unless a homosexual has done you wrong (and it is still idiocy to blame the whole group), think of what is the matter with you people that you believe in attacking a whole group of people for no reason. Stop twisting your religion.

Instead, a believer should keep his mouth shut and watch someone engrossed in a sinful life die because they were afraid of offending. To me, that sounds more hateful than to say something, allowing someone to die for the sins they've committed. Because we've all committed them.

[IBC]

Humans cannot be perfect. You can hold clergy to higher standards, but undoubtedly they will fail. Just like leaders of atheism will fail. And unfortunately for them, they are too closedminded to understand that debt has been paid. One's own religion (or lack thereof) doesn't dictate the standard their lives will be held to in the end.

I agree. I am glad you said lack thereof.

[IBC]

I thougth you meant "God."

No, I understand. :D

[IBC]

Instead, a believer should keep his mouth shut and watch someone engrossed in a sinful life die because they were afraid of offending. To me, that sounds more hateful than to say something, allowing someone to die for the sins they've committed. Because we've all committed them.

If you would like to try and "save" homosexuals, that is fine. If it has anything to do with gay-bashing, be it verbal, physical or any other way, than it is stupid. I am not saying you cannot be against homosexuality. I am saying that having hatred for them is ignorant, especially when followed with KK(K)'s spewing of said ignorance.

[ryr8828]

Harassing people because of what type of life they live is not protected speech. Hate is not a Christian value. Therapy is a good start for those who hate homosexuals so much that they resort to name-calling and ignorance. Unless a homosexual has done you wrong (and it is still idiocy to blame the whole group), think of what is the matter with you people that you believe in attacking a whole group of people for no reason. Stop twisting your religion.


Hate is not in the word. The hate is assigned to the word by those who find the word distasteful or not politically correct.

When I call one friend a tight Jew bastard or call another a coonass, there is no hate involved.

[IBC]

HP,
I love ya man, but I think you are lumping in all Christians together. I would say the number of Christians who are bad people is as low if not a bit lower than in society as a whole. More boring? Yes. More evil? No.
Also, go to the Illini Board at SB and take your lumps please. 2 and f'in 10? How about 9 and f'in 3!!!!!!!!!!

[IBC]

Hate is not in the word. The hate is assigned to the word by those who find the word distasteful or not politically correct.

When I call one friend a tight Jew bastard or call another a coonass, there is no hate involved.

No, that is just ignorant. Sorry man, but it is. If you cannot see how that is offensive and hateful there is no reason to talk about it any more. NOW GO WHITEY!

[ryr8828]

No, that is just ignorant. Sorry man, but it is. If you cannot see how that is offensive and hateful there is no reason to talk about it any more. NOW GO WHITEY!

You call it ignorant. The Jew and the Cajun call it friendly banter among men.

[ryr8828]

No, that is just ignorant. Sorry man, but it is. If you cannot see how that is offensive and hateful there is no reason to talk about it any more. NOW GO WHITEY!
I just have to ask this.

IBC, could your ass be any tighter?

Do you wonder around scared to death that you might offend some poor minority? Even when they're your friends?

[IBC]

You call it ignorant. The Jew and the Cajun call it friendly banter among men.

Friendly banter is not what was posted here. Filthy faggots ss not friendly banter, neither is the stuff you have posted in the past about homosexuals.

[IBC]

I just have to ask this.

IBC, could your ass be any tighter?

Do you wonder around scared to death that you might offend some poor minority? Even when they're your friends?

I actually enjoy a good joke, I enjoy most good ones. My idea of one is not filthy faggot or any derivatives of that. I also think tight-fisted jew is in the same boat.

[pnkpanther]

Instead, a believer should keep his mouth shut and watch someone engrossed in a sinful life die because they were afraid of offending. To me, that sounds more hateful than to say something, allowing someone to die for the sins they've committed. Because we've all committed them.

but you're taking it upon yourself to judge others?

[IBC]

but you're taking it upon yourself to judge others?

Yes.

Ed 7:19

And it shall be Ed who holds teh homosexuals to account for their abomination before God and Je-Hee-Sus.

[KinjaKahn]

And it shall be Ed who holds teh homosexuals to account for their abomination before God and Je-Hee-Sus.
Hypocrite.

[IBC]

Hypocrite.

WTF?

[KinjaKahn]

This is a disgusting attitude. I am blown away that this level of ignorance exists from people that can spell. Fuckin' disgusting.

ignorant

Main Entry:
ig·no·rant Listen to the pronunciation of ignorant

Pronunciation:
\ˈig-n(ə-)rənt\
Function:
adjective
Date:
14th century

1 a: destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>

2: unaware, uninformed

— ig·no·rant·ly adverb
— ig·no·rant·ness noun
synonyms ignorant, illiterate, unlettered, untutored, unlearned mean not having knowledge. ignorant may imply a general condition or it may apply to lack of knowledge or awareness of a particular thing <an ignorant fool> <ignorant of nuclear physics>. illiterate applies to either an absolute or a relative inability to read and write <much of the population is still illiterate>. unlettered implies ignorance of the knowledge gained by reading <an allusion meaningless to the unlettered>. untutored may imply lack of schooling in the arts and ways of civilization <strange monuments built by an untutored people>. unlearned suggests ignorance of advanced subjects <poetry not for academics but for the unlearned masses>.



Under synonyms I couldn't find disrespectful. Perhaps you should watch a little less of the whining flamers on TV who are ignorant to the existance of a dictionary; too much TV has left you sounding like a parrot. I am not ignorant to the plight of the queer. I am in fact intentionally disrespectful to them, and among these sexual deviants, I don't discriminate between male and female, they are equally repulsive.

[IBC]

Under synonyms I couldn't find disrespectful. Perhaps you should watch a little less of the whining flamers on TV who are ignorant to the existance of a dictionary; too much TV has left you sounding like a parrot. I am not ignorant to the plight of the queer. I am in fact intentionally disrespectful to them, and among these sexual deviants, I don't discriminate between male and female, they are equally repulsive.

And you are a sad excuse for a human.

[IBC]

Under synonyms I couldn't find disrespectful. Perhaps you should watch a little less of the whining flamers on TV who are ignorant to the existance of a dictionary; too much TV has left you sounding like a parrot. I am not ignorant to the plight of the queer. I am in fact intentionally disrespectful to them, and among these sexual deviants, I don't discriminate between male and female, they are equally repulsive.

Seek therapy. Get help. Do something. What that is called is a personality disorder. That is a professional opinion.

[KinjaKahn]

Seek therapy. Get help. Do something. What that is called is a personality disorder. That is a professional opinion.
ROFL. Professional what?

[IBC]

ROFL. Professional what?

Opinion of someone that goes out of his way to disrespect others. That is really sick man.

[IBC]

I am not joking bro, get it together. That is anti-social behavior. Maybe it is all the gangsta rap you listen to. You are not Eminem.

[Vegas]

I am not joking bro, get it together. That is anti-social behavior. Maybe it is all the gangsta rap you listen to. You are not Eminem.

So if one is repulsed by heterosexuals who cheat on their spouse, is that anti-social behavior?

[KinjaKahn]

Opinion of someone that goes out of his way to disrespect others. That is really sick man.
ROFL... I am not going out of my way... This thread is not about queers. I said something that stuck you like a knife and I have been needled by you since. I didn't start a thread about the nefarious deeds homosexuality or the acceptance of, and despicable affect it has had in and on society.

[KinjaKahn]

So if one is repulsed by heterosexuals who cheat on their spouse, is that anti-social behavior?
One subscribing to progressive nature psychology could argue that it is a hindrance to the current social climate.

[KinjaKahn]

I am not joking bro, get it together. That is anti-social behavior. Maybe it is all the gangsta rap you listen to. You are not Eminem.
Stick to comic books.

[IBC]

So if one is repulsed by heterosexuals who cheat on their spouse, is that anti-social behavior?

No, repulsion is not antisocial. Going out of your way to be disrespectful to people when they have done nothing to you is. Also, apples and oranges my friend.

[IBC]

ROFL... I am not going out of my way... This thread is not about queers. I said something that stuck you like a knife and I have been needled by you since. I didn't start a thread about the nefarious deeds homosexuality or the acceptance of, and despicable affect it has had in and on society.

You said you were intentionally disrespectful to homosexuals. That is not normal behavior man.

[KinjaKahn]

You said you were intentionally disrespectful to homosexuals. That is not normal behavior man.
ROFL. Homosexualiy is not NORMAL.

[IBC]

ROFL. Homosexualiy is not NORMAL.

Then judge them Kinja, judge them. Treat them like subhumans. I will tell you though, it is far from normal to behave like this. I am really not joking with you. That behavior is really out there man.

[KinjaKahn]

Then judge them Kinja, judge them. Treat them like subhumans. I will tell you though, it is far from normal to behave like this. I am really not joking with you. That behavior is really out there man.
Homosexuals judges themselves to be homosexual. I dont treat anybody like a subhuman. It used to be normal to lock homosexuals up in Jail. So your whining about what's "normal" is totally stupid. Normal changes with the wind.

[ryr8828]

Seek therapy. Get help. Do something. What that is called is a personality disorder. That is a professional opinion.

I sometimes think the same thing when you go on a rant unrelated to the point at hand. Actually I think it when I read 90% of your posts.
I'm talking about kidding a jew and a cajun who are friends of mine, you go off on a rant about calling queers queers.

My point still stands about people assigning hate speech because of political correctness. Your only answer to that was that I'm ignorant.

Homosexual, queer, faggot, I think they all mean the same thing. Now they prefer to be called gay, thus completely queering the meaning of that word. When did deviants get to take control of the English language?

When I was a kid black people were called negroes. I get a spell check error on both negros and negroes so I guess this word has been drummed out of existence. Then apparently the most vocal of the black leaders decided they should be called black people. Maybe after that it went to african american or visa versa. I can't keep up with it. Naturally then and now, nigger was a slur, but only a slur if used by anyone besides a black. More than once I've had a black man proclaim to me about another black man "that nigger" ain't no good, or "that nigger" this or that.

Then we now have the illegal immigration problem. Mostly from Mexico. Illegal immigrant, illegal alien, those terms are already offending people. Tough shit. Wetback, referring to people who swam across the
Rio Grande is now a big time slur on par with the n word. Wetback. You swam across a river to get into this country illegally. When you sat foot on US soil, your back was wet. Wet Back.

Everybody's always offended. You know what offends me? The constant changing of the English language for political agenda purposes or because someone got their little feelings hurt.


I'll be honest, I'm tired of liberals tying up minorities in order to further their agenda while they edge this country towards socialism. They jump on every refugee boat to try and get more voters on their side in order to promote their agenda. They crucify Trent Lott and glorify Robert Byrd. When I look at, talk to, or converse with a liberal on a message board I always see one thing. Total hypocrisy.

[IBC]

Homosexuals judges themselves to be homosexual. I dont treat anybody like a subhuman. It used to be normal to lock homosexuals up in Jail. So your whining about what's "normal" is totally stupid. Normal changes with the wind.

I think you are intelligent enough to know how I am using the word.

[ryr8828]

Then judge them Kinja, judge them. Treat them like subhumans. I will tell you though, it is far from normal to behave like this. I am really not joking with you. That behavior is really out there man.

I don't know where it's normal or regular for one man to put his penis in another man's ass either.

Since we're talking about someone being far from normal.

Analyze that.

[IBC]

I sometimes think the same thing when you go on a rant unrelated to the point at hand. Actually I think it when I read 90% of your posts.
I'm talking about kidding a jew and a cajun who are friends of mine, you go off on a rant about calling queers queers.

My point still stands about people assigning hate speech because of political correctness. Your only answer to that was that I'm ignorant.

Homosexual, queer, faggot, I think they all mean the same thing. Now they prefer to be called gay, thus completely queering the meaning of that word. When did deviants get to take control of the English language?

When I was a kid black people were called negroes. I get a spell check error on both negros and negroes so I guess this word has been drummed out of existence. Then apparently the most vocal of the black leaders decided they should be called black people. Maybe after that it went to african american or visa versa. I can't keep up with it. Naturally then and now, nigger was a slur, but only a slur if used by anyone besides a black. More than once I've had a black man proclaim to me about another black man "that nigger" ain't no good, or "that nigger" this or that.

Then we now have the illegal immigration problem. Mostly from Mexico. Illegal immigrant, illegal alien, those terms are already offending people. Tough shit. Wetback, referring to people who swam across the
Rio Grande is now a big time slur on par with the n word. Wetback. You swam across a river to get into this country illegally. When you sat foot on US soil, your back was wet. Wet Back.

Everybody's always offended. You know what offends me? The constant changing of the English language for political agenda purposes or because someone got their little feelings hurt.


I'll be honest, I'm tired of liberals tying up minorities in order to further their agenda while they edge this country towards socialism. They jump on every refugee boat to try and get more voters on their side in order to promote their agenda. They crucify Trent Lott and glorify Robert Byrd. When I look at, talk to, or converse with a liberal on a message board I always see one thing. Total hypocrisy.

Ok, use all the slurs you want bro. Its up to you after all. I don't glorify Robert Byrd at all.

You also didn't specify you were talking to friends. Don't know if you were intentionally setting a trap for me or not.

[IBC]

I don't know where it's normal or regular for one man to put his penis in another man's ass either.

Since we're talking about someone being far from normal.

Analyze that.

Treating people with intentional disrespect when they have done nothing to you isn't decent behavior. That is all.

[IBC]

I don't know where it's normal or regular for one man to put his penis in another man's ass either.

Since we're talking about someone being far from normal.

Analyze that.

It is to a large percentage of our country. Last time I checked I didn't have to have anal sex either. Still true I assume, and I hope true for you. Not sure how they are doin' it these days back in my home state, but i think you are safe.

[ryr8828]

It is to a large percentage of our country. Last time I checked I didn't have to have anal sex either. Still true I assume, and I hope true for you. Not sure how they are doin' it these days back in my home state, but i think you are safe.

A large percentage of our country's men put their penises in other men's asses?

I seriously doubt that.

[IBC]

A large percentage of our country's men put their penises in other men's asses?

I seriously doubt that.

Yes. 1% to 10% of the population is a large percentage. That doesn't even count Larry Craig and his closeted buds (ie Republican homosexuals).

[ryr8828]

Yes. 1% to 10% of the population is a large percentage. That doesn't even count Larry Craig and his closeted buds (ie Republican homosexuals).

I see that as a small percentage.

You have no proof on Larry Craig, but good try at a shot.

Of course since it's ok in your eyes, why denigrate him or other queer Republicans? Isn't that hypocritical?

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

[IBC]

I see that as a small percentage.

You have no proof on Larry Craig, but good try at a shot.

Of course since it's ok in your eyes, why denigrate him or other queer Republicans? Isn't that hypocritical?

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

No, it isn't hypocritical to pint out that those that demonize gays are sometimes gay.

[IBC]

I see that as a small percentage.

You have no proof on Larry Craig, but good try at a shot.

Of course since it's ok in your eyes, why denigrate him or other queer Republicans? Isn't that hypocritical?

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

No proof on Larry Craig? Did you watch the interview? The fact that these people have to live their lives in the closet is terribly sad to me.

To say I am denigrating gays with that comment up there is ridiculous.

[KinjaKahn]

No, it isn't hypocritical to pint out that those that demonize gays are sometimes gay.
If you truly believed homosexuality to be positive, you couldn't use it as a descriptive for Larry Craig, as his orientation would have no bearing on his occupation or philosophy. It is evident that there are delusions in the ego of the man in your mirror.

[IBC]

If you truly believed homosexuality to be positive, you couldn't use it as a descriptive for Larry Craig, as his orientation would have no bearing on his occupation or philosophy. It is evident that there are delusions in the ego of the man in your mirror.

Jeebus man, I don't view it as positive or negative. I am not running a campaign for homosexuality. WTF? Delusions? LOL.

[KinjaKahn]

Jeebus man, I don't view it as positive or negative. I am not running a campaign for homosexuality. WTF? Delusions? LOL.

If you were truly indifferent to homosexuality, you couldn't use it as a descriptive for Larry Craig, as his orientation would have no bearing on his occupation or philosophy. It is evident that there are delusions in the ego of the man in your mirror.

[IBC]

If you were truly indifferent to homosexuality, you couldn't use it as a descriptive for Larry Craig, as his orientation would have no bearing on his occupation or philosophy. It is evident that there are delusions in the ego of the man in your mirror.

I am pointing out the sad state that we put men like him into. You are grasping at straws to try and justify irrational hatred all the while trying to turn the finger on me. Good day man. I hope you get your shit worked out.

[ryr8828]

I am pointing out the sad state that we put men like him into. You are grasping at straws to try and justify irrational hatred all the while trying to turn the finger on me. Good day man. I hope you get your shit worked out.

Why does language that you disapprove of, and refusal to accept a deviant unhealthy lifestyle,

equal hatred in your eyes?

Because it's your buzz word. If we don't accept it as normal then it makes you feel better to accuse us of hatred.

[ryr8828]

I am pointing out the sad state that we put men like him into. You are grasping at straws to try and justify irrational hatred all the while trying to turn the finger on me. Good day man. I hope you get your shit worked out.

Also, I think you're right on the edge of a meltdown and I'm not even a psychologist.

[IBC]

Why does language that you disapprove of, and refusal to accept a deviant unhealthy lifestyle,

equal hatred in your eyes?

Because it's your buzz word. If we don't accept it as normal then it makes you feel better to accuse us of hatred.

Don't accept it as normal? read my posts, it should be easy to define what I have a problem with.

[IBC]

Also, I think you're right on the edge of a meltdown and I'm not even a psychologist.

Sweet, tell me how. Use my words please, not ones you are putting in my mouth.

[Hotpapa666]

Now that the squabbling seems to be over. Let's get back to the real purpose of this thread: the demonstrate the evils done by Christians.

Here's a great one that noone can contest had the full approval of the Church and was vicously brutal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

I'll probably post later on the Inquisition in other countries, like the one in Italy that landed that heathen Galileo under house arrest for the perposterous notion that the Earth revolves around the sun.

[Reagan Smash]

When I die and they lay me to rest
Gonna go to the place that's the best
When I lay me down to die
Goin' up to the spirit in the sky
Goin' up to the spirit in the sky
That's where I'm gonna go when I die
When I die and they lay me to rest
Gonna go to the place that's the best

Prepare yourself you know it's a must
Gotta have a friend in Jesus
So you know that when you die
He's gonna recommend you
To the spirit in the sky
Gonna recommend you
To the spirit in the sky
That's where you're gonna go when you die
When you die and they lay you to rest
You're gonna go to the place that's the best

Never been a sinner I never sinned
I got a friend in Jesus
So you know that when I die
He's gonna set me up with
The spirit in the sky
Oh set me up with the spirit in the sky
That's where I'm gonna go when I die
When I die and they lay me to rest
I'm gonna go to the place that's the best
Go to the place that's the best

[Hotpapa666]

When I die and they lay me to rest
Gonna go to the place that's the best
When I lay me down to die
Goin' up to the spirit in the sky
Goin' up to the spirit in the sky
That's where I'm gonna go when I die
When I die and they lay me to rest
Gonna go to the place that's the best

Prepare yourself you know it's a must
Gotta have a friend in Jesus
So you know that when you die
He's gonna recommend you
To the spirit in the sky
Gonna recommend you
To the spirit in the sky
That's where you're gonna go when you die
When you die and they lay you to rest
You're gonna go to the place that's the best

Never been a sinner I never sinned
I got a friend in Jesus
So you know that when I die
He's gonna set me up with
The spirit in the sky
Oh set me up with the spirit in the sky
That's where I'm gonna go when I die
When I die and they lay me to rest
I'm gonna go to the place that's the best
Go to the place that's the best


Ah yes, a top 40 hit about Jesus by a Jewish guy. That proves everything.

[Reagan Smash]

Ah yes, a top 40 hit about Jesus by a Jewish guy. That proves everything.


It's simple when you think about it, isn't it.

[KinjaKahn]

Now that the squabbling seems to be over. Let's get back to the real purpose of this thread: the demonstrate the evils done by Christians.

Here's a great one that noone can contest had the full approval of the Church and was vicously brutal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

I'll probably post later on the Inquisition in other countries, like the one in Italy that landed that heathen Galileo under house arrest for the perposterous notion that the Earth revolves around the sun.

ROFL. Don't you have something better to offer? Without Spanish Inquisition, it is very possible that Muslim expansion would have spread a lot further into Europe. Either way death toll estimates are between 800 and 5000 dead heretics and Spain was saved from Muslims. Meanwhile, Another of your godless heroes Pol Pot had a death toll of between 800,000 and 2.3 million.

Atheist Heroes Lenin Trotsky Stalin = 100,000,000
Atheist Hero Adolph Hitler = 12,000,000 - 25,000,000
Atheist Hero Chairman Mao = 20,000,000(Official Chinese Toll) - 72,000,000
Atheist Hero Pol Pot = 2,300,000 million

[IBC]

ROFL. Don't you have something better to offer? Without Spanish Inquisition, it is very possible that Muslim expansion would have spread a lot further into Europe. Either way death toll estimates are between 800 and 5000 dead heretics and Spain was saved from Muslims. Meanwhile, Another of your godless heroes Pol Pot had a death toll of between 800,000 and 2.3 million.

Atheist Heroes Lenin Trotsky Stalin = 100,000,000
Atheist Hero Adolph Hitler = 12,000,000 - 25,000,000
Atheist Hero Chairman Mao = 20,000,000(Official Chinese Toll) - 72,000,000
Atheist Hero Pol Pot = 2,300,000 million

LOL. Strawman. HP is a big Pol Pot supporter huh? Man do i love Stalin. What a joke of an argument. You throw in Hitler for good measure?

[KinjaKahn]

LOL. Strawman. HP is a big Pol Pot supporter huh? Man do i love Stalin. What a joke of an argument. You throw in Hitler for good measure?
Can you provide more powerful atheist leaders? Seems like atheist leaders assume the role of God over their domain and their actions back that up.

[IBC]

Can you provide more powerful atheist leaders? Seems like atheist leaders assume the role of God over their domain and their actions back that up.

Hitler was a Christian?

Hitler's religious beliefs and fanaticism

(Selected quotes from Mein Kampf)

compiled by Jim Walker

Originated: 28 Nov. 1996
Additions made: 07 July 2001

People often make the claim that Adolph Hitler adhered to Atheism, Humanism or some ancient Nordic pagan mythology. None of these fanciful and wrong ideas hold. Although one of Hitler's henchmen, Alfred Rosenberg, did undertake a campaign of Nordic mythological propaganda, Hitler and most of his henchmen did not believe in it .

Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda. Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against Jews by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. Many Christians throughout history have opposed Christian priests for various reasons; this does not necessarily make one against one's own Christian beliefs. Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

Hitler's anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Christian Austria and Germany in his time took for granted the belief that Jews held an inferior status to Aryan Christians. Jewish hatred did not spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, "On the Jews and their Lies," Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War II. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther.

Hitler did not have to parade his belief in God, as so many American Christians do now. Nor did he have to justify his Godly belief against an Atheist movement. He took his beliefs for granted just as most Germans did at that time. His thrust aimed at politics, not religion. But through his political and religious reasoning he established in 1933, a German Reich Christian Church, uniting the Protestant churches to instill faith in a national German Christianity.

Future generations should remember that Adolph Hitler could not have come into power without the support of the Protestant and Catholic churches and the German Christian populace.

The following quotes provides some of Hitler's expressions of his belief in religion, faith, fanaticism, Providence, and even a few of his paraphrasing of the Bible. It by no means represents the totality of Hitler's concerns. To realize the full context of these quotes, I implore the reader to study Mein Kampf.

The purpose of this text intends to dispute the claims made by Christians that Hitler "was an atheist," or "anti-religious," and to reveal the dangers of belief-systems. This text in no way attempts to give endorsement to anti-Semitism.

[IBC]

Can you provide more powerful atheist leaders? Seems like atheist leaders assume the role of God over their domain and their actions back that up.

By teh way, that logic really stands up for scrutiny, even moreso than Hp's that Christianity is bad because of bad Christians.

[KinjaKahn]

You can cite 20,000 nobody writers who demand Hitlers stated faith be taken as fact... 2 very distinct ideals Hitler espoused, belittle his proclaimed Faith in God. Those being Eugenics and Social Darwinism.

[IBC]

You can cite 20,000 nobody writers who demand Hitlers stated faith be taken as fact... 2 very distinct ideals Hitler espoused, belittle his proclaimed Faith in God. Those being Eugenics and Social Darwinism.
Your god is everyones? He is an atheist? Atheists proclaim their belief in god? You are an atheist if you don't believe in KK's god?

Wow man.

[KinjaKahn]

Your god is everyones? He is an atheist? Atheists proclaim their belief in god? You are an atheist if you don't believe in KK's god?

Wow man.
Do you support Eugenics and Social Darwinism? There is only 1 God and he has yet to promote Social Darwinism and Eugenics.

Social Darwinism and Eugenics are tenets of the Religion of Math and Matter.

[IBC]

Do you support Eugenics and Social Darwinism? There is only 1 God and he has yet to promote Social Darwinism and Eugenics.

Social Darwinism and Eugenics are tenets of the Religion of Math and Matter.
What else hasn't god weighed in on?

[KinjaKahn]

What else hasn't god weighed in on?
One issue at a time please.

[IBC]

One issue at a time please.

Just sayin', we haven't heard from him in a while. What is he up to? Probably busy bashin' homos huh? He hates homos, just like Jesus. Loves war though. I love it when he wrote "Onward Christian Soldiers." I usually like his earlier stuff better, but that one rocks! I heard he is a huge free market fan too, right? He loves corporations too.

[KinjaKahn]

Just sayin', we haven't heard from him in a while. What is he up to? Probably busy bashin' homos huh? He hates homos, just like Jesus. Loves war though. I love it when he wrote "Onward Christian Soldiers." I usually like his earlier stuff better, but that one rocks! I heard he is a huge free market fan too, right? He loves corporations too.
Railing?

[IBC]

Railing?

Not against Christianity.

[KinjaKahn]

Not against Christianity.
Against me? I didn't make the rules, I just try to follow them.

[IBC]

Against me? I didn't make the rules, I just try to follow them.

Very selectively from what I see.

[IBC]

Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist
not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your
enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
you; [Matthew 5:44]

The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

Justice: Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. [Matthew 5:6] Blessed are the
merciful: for they shall obtain mercy [Matthew 5:7] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your
trespasses. [Matthew 6:15]

Corporate Greed and the Religion of Wealth: In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other
sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle;
he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [John 2:14 & 15.] Watch out! Be on your guard against
all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.] Truly, I say unto you, it will
be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]

Paying Taxes & Separation of Church & State: Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the
things that are God's. [Matthew 22:21]

Community: Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39] So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
[Matthew 7:12.] If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
[Matthew 19:21]

Equality & Social Programs: But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed,
because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]

Public Prayer & Displays of Faith: And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in
the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret…
[Matthew 6:6 & 7]

Strict Enforcement of Religious Laws: If any of you has a son or a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take
hold of it and lift it out? [Matthew 12:11] The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [Mark 2:27.]

Individuality & Personal Spiritual Experience: Ye are the light of the world. [Matthew 5:14]

[IBC]

Mark 10:25

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

[KinjaKahn]

So why in one thread do you bash the Jewish vision in Christianity and in this thread promote Christ's vision?

[IBC]

So why in one thread do you bash the Jewish vision in Christianity and in this thread promote Christ's vision?

I am not bashing. All I did was post it. Whats wrong with it?

[KinjaKahn]

I am not bashing. All I did was post it. Whats wrong with it?
Nothings wrong with it, Are you to pretend that posting that was not meant to be a weapon against the ban on homosexuality?

[IBC]

Nothings wrong with it, Are you to pretend that posting that was not meant to be a weapon against the ban on homosexuality?

That posting was meant to show what Leviticus says. Where is teh ban on homosexuality? Link please.

[KinjaKahn]

That posting was meant to show what Leviticus says. Where is teh ban on homosexuality? Link please.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a
woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Killing them is pretty much a ban.

[IBC]

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a
woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Killing them is pretty much a ban.

Uh-huh. Your logic is pretty twisted man. What else are you put to death for in Leviticus? Should we put homosexuals to death? Adulterers? Rappers?

[Tom Joad]

Uh-huh. Your logic is pretty twisted man. What else are you put to death for in Leviticus? Should we put homosexuals to death? Adulterers? Rappers?

Don't they shoot each other? ;)

[IBC]

Don't they shoot each other? ;)

Yes they do. Kinja loves rappers but hates homosexuals. He is pretty confused. He still hasn't told me what Jesus said about homosexulaity.

[KinjaKahn]

Uh-huh. Your logic is pretty twisted man. What else are you put to death for in Leviticus? Should we put homosexuals to death? Adulterers? Rappers?
I don't make the rules I just try to follow them. Should homosexuals die for the sin? I would imagine they should be afforded every opportunity to repent and give up their lust for the forbidden. Once a queer refuses to repent and starts teaching his behavior to others and children, he has become a danger to society.

[KinjaKahn]

Don't they shoot each other? ;)
IBC hates rappers. He brings them up to me constantly as if I am supposed to be bothered by his opinion of them.

[IBC]

IBC hates rappers. He brings them up to me constantly as if I am supposed to be bothered by his opinion of them.

Uh-huh. Care to answer any more questins I posed?

[IBC]

I don't make the rules I just try to follow them. Should homosexuals die for the sin? I would imagine they should be afforded every opportunity to repent and give up their lust for the forbidden. Once a queer refuses to repent and starts teaching his behavior to others and children, he has become a danger to society.

Oh, teaching his behavior to others? What should we do with homosexuals?

[KinjaKahn]

Oh, teaching his behavior to others? What should we do with homosexuals?
Institutionalize them.

[IBC]

Institutionalize them.

Exactly. Have a nice day. I am done with this bullshit.

[KinjaKahn]

Exactly. Have a nice day. I am done with this bullshit.
ROFL. You're funny man.

[Hotpapa666]

ROFL. Don't you have something better to offer? Without Spanish Inquisition, it is very possible that Muslim expansion would have spread a lot further into Europe. Either way death toll estimates are between 800 and 5000 dead heretics and Spain was saved from Muslims. Meanwhile, Another of your godless heroes Pol Pot had a death toll of between 800,000 and 2.3 million.

Atheist Heroes Lenin Trotsky Stalin = 100,000,000
Atheist Hero Adolph Hitler = 12,000,000 - 25,000,000
Atheist Hero Chairman Mao = 20,000,000(Official Chinese Toll) - 72,000,000
Atheist Hero Pol Pot = 2,300,000 million


Wow, you are act