View Full Version : Forecaster Blasts Gore on Global Warming
Vegas
04-09-2007, 04:57 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/06/AR2007040601959.html
NEW ORLEANS -- A top hurricane forecaster called Al Gore "a gross alarmist" Friday for making an Oscar-winning documentary about global warming.
"He's one of these guys that preaches the end of the world type of things. I think he's doing a great disservice and he doesn't know what he's talking about," Dr. William Gray said in an interview with The Associated Press at the National Hurricane Conference in New Orleans, where he delivered the closing speech.
A spokeswoman said Gore was on a flight from Washington, D.C., to Nashville Friday; he did not immediately respond to Gray's comments.
Gray, an emeritus professor at the atmospheric science department at Colorado State University, has long railed against the theory that heat-trapping gases generated by human activity are causing the world to warm.
Over the past 24 years, Gray, 77, has become known as America's most reliable hurricane forecaster; recently, his mentee, Philip Klotzbach, has begun doing the bulk of the forecasting work.
Gray's statements came the same day the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change approved a report that concludes the world will face dire consequences to food and water supplies, along with increased flooding and other dramatic weather events, unless nations adapt to climate change.
Rather than global warming, Gray believes a recent uptick in strong hurricanes is part of a multi-decade trend of alternating busy and slow periods related to ocean circulation patterns. Contrary to mainstream thinking, Gray believes ocean temperatures are going to drop in the next five to 10 years.
Gore's documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," has helped fuel media attention on global warming.
Kerry Emanuel, an MIT professor who had feuded with Gray over global warming, said Gray has wrongly "dug (his) heels in" even though there is ample evidence that the world is getting hotter.
Seeing that we're questioning people's qualifications based on how well they predict the weather, let's not forget Dr. Gray's pinpoint accuracy for the 2006 hurricane season:
17 named storms, 9 hurricanes, 5 of Category 3 or higher
more info here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Atlantic_hurricane_season
Jiddy78
04-09-2007, 05:48 PM
Seeing that we're questioning people's qualifications based on how well they predict the weather, let's not forget Dr. Gray's pinpoint accuracy for the 2006 hurricane season:
17 named storms, 9 hurricanes, 5 of Category 3 or higher
more info here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Atlantic_hurricane_season
Hurricanes help the economy. Dr. Gray was jubilant.
Vegas
04-09-2007, 05:51 PM
Seeing that we're questioning people's qualifications based on how well they predict the weather, let's not forget Dr. Gray's pinpoint accuracy for the 2006 hurricane season:
17 named storms, 9 hurricanes, 5 of Category 3 or higher
more info here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Atlantic_hurricane_season
I guess you missed this part in the article:
Over the past 24 years, Gray, 77, has become known as America's most reliable hurricane forecaster; recently, his mentee, Philip Klotzbach, has begun doing the bulk of the forecasting work.
I guess you missed this part in the article:
The most reliable amongst an unreliable science...that's a great endorsement. Kinda like the car salesman that lies the least...
i_hate_righties
04-09-2007, 06:24 PM
uumm can we just heap all these articles in one thread or at least have a separate Global warming forum?...If every time another article comes out for either side, and its posted, I think we are going to be arguing the same issues over and over again!
uumm can we just heap all these articles in one thread or at least have a separate Global warming forum?...If every time another article comes out for either side, and its posted, I think we are going to be arguing the same issues over and over again!
Uhhhh...isn't that what any issue in politics is? Just a recycled debate?
i_hate_righties
04-09-2007, 06:35 PM
Uhhhh...isn't that what any issue in politics is? Just a recycled debate?
well yeah...but if I search daily for articles either pro or con on this issue, I am going to find them...How many am I supposed to post?...Will it give my side more leverage? will it affect your stance on the issue eventually if I post enough of them?...I was just making an observation, that is all!
well yeah...but if I search daily for articles either pro or con on this issue, I am going to find them...How many am I supposed to post?...Will it give my side more leverage? will it affect your stance on the issue eventually if I post enough of them?...I was just making an observation, that is all!
I know, but if we just had one conversation about a particular topic, we'd have run out of topics by now. Vegas and I have a weekly debate regarding global warming, evolution, or stem cell research, and, although it's fun, neither one of us really breaks out any new facts or thoughts.
i_hate_righties
04-09-2007, 06:41 PM
I know, but if we just had one conversation about a particular topic, we'd have run out of topics by now. Vegas and I have a weekly debate regarding global warming, evolution, or stem cell research, and, although it's fun, neither one of us really breaks out any new facts or thoughts.
Time for personal attacks?...lol
Time for personal attacks?...lol
I'm building an arsenal. Only time will tell.
Jiddy78
04-09-2007, 06:53 PM
Time for personal attacks?...lol
Jiddy half-sperm > LSU sperm
Jiddy half-sperm > LSU sperm
I'm glad both you and mad decided my sperm was the gold standard.
Land_Shark
04-11-2007, 01:14 AM
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/04/10/deforestation_pla_print.html
Tree-Planting Could Add to Warming
AFP, AFP
April 10, 2007 — Planting new trees in snow-covered northern regions may actually contribute to global warming as they have the counter-effect of tropical forests, according to a study out Monday.
While rainforests help cool the planet by absorbing carbon dioxide and producing clouds that reflect sunlight, the dark canopy of Canadian, Scandinavian and Siberian forests catches sunrays that would be reflected back to space by the snow, the study said.
The study, published Monday in the online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that reforestation projects in the tropics would help mitigate global warming, but such projects would be "counterproductive" in high latitudes.
In mid-latitude locations like the United States and most of Europe, more trees would only create marginal benefits for climate change, the researchers said.
"Our study shows that only tropical rainforests are strongly beneficial in helping slow down global warming," Govindasamy Bala, who led the research, said in a statement.
"It is a win-win situation in the tropics because trees in the tropics, in addition to absorbing carbon dioxide, promote convective clouds that help to cool the planet," he said.
"In other locations, the warming from the albedo effect (sunlight absorption) either cancels or exceeds the net cooling from the other two effects," said Bala, an atmospheric scientist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.
Researchers used a three-dimensional computer simulation to study the effects of large-scale deforestation and look at the positive and negative effects of tree cover at different latitudes.
"When it comes to rehabilitating forests to fight global warming, carbon dioxide might be only half of the story; we also have to account for whether they help to reflect sunlight by producing clouds, or help to absorb it by shading snowy tundra," said study co-author Ken Caldeira.
By 2100, forests in temperate and northern countries will make some places 10 degrees Farhenheit warmer that if the trees had not been there, the study said.
However, the authors did not endorse slashing down boreal forests as a measure against global warming.
"Preservation of ecosystems is a primary goal of preventing global warming, and the destruction of ecosystems to prevent global warming would be a counterproductive and perverse strategy," said Caldeira.
"In planning responses to global challenges, it is important to pursue broad goals and avoid narrow criteria that may lead to environmentally harmful consequences," said Caldeira, of the Carnegie Institution.
Bala added: "Forests provide natural habitat to plants and animals, preserve the biodiversity, produce economically valuable timber and firewood, protect watersheds and indirectly prevent ocean acidification."
Researchers from Stanford University in California and Universite Montpellier II in France contribute to the study.
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