Christmas should be 'downgraded' to help race relations says Labour think tank

[KinjaKahn]

Christmas should be 'downgraded' to help race relations says Labour think tank
By JAMES CHAPMAN - Last updated at 12:56pm on 1st November 2007

Christmas should be downgraded in favour of festivals from other religions to improve race relations, says an explosive report.

Labour's favourite think-tank says that because it would be hard to "expunge" Christmas from the national calendar, 'even-handedness' means public organisations must start giving other religions equal footing.

The leaked findings of its investigation into identity, citizenship and community cohesion also propose:

• "Birth ceremonies", at which state and parents agree to "work in partnership" to bring up children

• Action to "ensure access" for ethnic minorities to "largely white" countryside

• An overhaul of Britain's "imperial" honours system

• Bishops being thrown out of the House of Lords

• An end to "sectarian" religious education

• Flying flags other than the Union Jack.

The report by the Institute for Public Policy Research was commissioned when Nick Pearce, now head of public policy at Downing Street, was its director.

IPPR has shaped many Labour policies, including ID cards, bin taxes and road pricing.

The report robustly defends multiculturalism - the idea that different communities should not be forced to integrate but should be allowed to maintain their own culture and identities.

And it says immigrants should be required to acquire some proficiency in English and other aspects of British culture "if - but only if - the settled population is willing to open up national institutions and practices to newcomers and give a more inclusive cast to national narratives and symbols".

It adds: "Even-handedness dictates that we provide public recognition to minority cultures and traditions.

"If we are going to continue as a nation to mark Christmas - and it would be very hard to expunge it from our national life even if we wanted to - then public organisations should mark other religious festivals too.

"We can no longer define ourselves as a Christian nation, nor an especially religious one in any sense.

"The empire is gone, church attendance is at historically low levels, and the Second World War is inexorably slipping from memory."

The report, written by IPPR advisers Ben Rogers and Rick Muir, calls on Ministers to launch an "urgent and upfront campaign" promoting a "multicultural understanding of Britishness".

"Multiculturalism can be shown to provide for a fairer and more liberal society and does not necessarily lead to social division and community conflict, as its critics have claimed," it says.

Councils must act to "ensure children mix and are able to form friendships with pupils from different backgrounds".

The report adds: "Any liberal state should recast the civic oaths and national ceremonies, or institutions like Parliament and the monarchy, in a more multi-religious or secular form and make religious education less sectarian."

The presence of bishops in the House of Lords, for instance, is condemned as an "anachronism" that should be removed.

The system in which parents are required to register a new baby at a register office is dismissed as "purely bureaucratic".

The occasion should be transformed into a "public rite", using citizenship ceremonies for immigrants as a model, the report says.

"Parents, their friends and family and the state [would] agree to work in partnership to support and bring up their child."

Rural Britain, the report complains, "remains a largely white place".

Much more needs to be done to "ensure access" to the countryside for black and ethnic minority groups, disabled people and children from inner-city areas.

Sayeeda Warsi, the Conservative spokesman on community cohesion, said: "Their comments betray a breathtaking misunderstanding of what it is to be British. These proposals could actually damage cohesion."

She added: "You don't build community cohesion by throwing out our history and denying the fundamental contribution Christianity has played and does play to our nation.

"As a British Muslim I can see that - so why others can't just staggers me."

And she attacked ceremonies to mark the registration of a baby.

"The thought of Gordon Brown sharing responsibility with me for bringing up my children sends a shiver down my spine. I thought we got rid of communism?"
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Christmas and Christians are to blame! :rolleyes:

[Ed Who?]

Christmas and Christians are to blame! :rolleyes:

Maybe the next action will be to behead those who won't celebrate Ramadan.

[ryr8828]

Maybe the next action will be to behead those who won't celebrate Ramadan.

If we lose, it will be.

[Jiddy78]

If we lose, it will be.

I think blackballing of those who refuse to support ponzi finance debt expansion and labeling them as communists is practically here...THEN we get to the chopping heads off part. *rubs neck and hopes for the best*

[V]

Christmas and Christians are to blame! :rolleyes:

Jesus wasn't even born on December 25th. Christmas is a pagan/hallmark holiday! Hmmm....perhaps the Jehovah Witnesses were right....:D

[IBC]

Maybe the next action will be to behead those who won't celebrate Ramadan.

Only if Democrats get their way. I hear they are having a secret meeting right now signing over America to Islamofascists! Only then can we all be on the right path, isn't that right..... COMRADE!

[Jiddy78]

Jesus wasn't even born on December 25th. Christmas is a pagan/hallmark holiday! Hmmm....perhaps the Jehovah Witnesses were right....:D

That's one way of looking at it...Another way is that the pagans couldn't party for sh*t so Christians had to show them how to do it right.

[V]

That's one way of looking at it...Another way is that the pagans couldn't party for sh*t so Christians had to show them how to do it right.

Well, Jesus did turn water into wine....Hey!

[IBC]

Attack on Christmas! Shed a tear for the oppressed Christian, the most downtrodden of all our citizens. Everywhere they go they are forced to put up with taunts and unspeakable horrors! Poor Christians. When will we finally get some white male Christian leaders in this country?

[Jiddy78]

Well, Jesus did turn water into wine....Hey!

One should not mock the baby Jesus. Even if you don't believe he is God, he was a good man....If more were like him today, the world would be a better place...But people are too busy gettin' somethin' for nuthin and slothing their asses out on every sin in the book...Buncha whores. Why don't you mock them?

You don't happen to flip houses, by any chance, do you? I bet you do Panama Red. I bet you do.

[V]

Attack on Christmas! Shed a tear for the oppressed Christian, the most downtrodden of all our citizens. Everywhere they go they are forced to put up with taunts and unspeakable horrors! Poor Christians. When will we finally get some white male Christian leaders in this country?

When Hilary gets elected

[V]

One should not mock the baby Jesus. Even if you don't believe he is God, he was a good man....If more were like him today, the world would be a better place...But people are too busy gettin' somethin' for nuthin and slothing their asses out on every sin in the book...Buncha whores. Why don't you mock them?

You don't happen to flip houses, by any chance, do you? I bet you do Panama Red. I bet you do.


I am not mocking Jesus! The man turned water into wine!

However, the world would be a better place is fake-ass christians acted more like Jesus instead of insulting others and then hiding behind their bible (and not even being insightful enough to know the history of the bible)

[Jiddy78]

I am not mocking Jesus! The man turned water into wine!

However, the world would be a better place is fake-ass christians acted more like Jesus instead of insulting others and then hiding behind their bible (and not even being insightful enough to know the history of the bible)

The world would be a better place if each of us made an attempt to be good to the other. That only comes from each individual.

Why are you so angry?

I need the anecdotals.

[Jiddy78]

I am not mocking Jesus! The man turned water into wine!

However, the world would be a better place is fake-ass christians acted more like Jesus instead of insulting others and then hiding behind their bible (and not even being insightful enough to know the history of the bible)


BTW, I'm still waiting for the flip houses answer. You smell like a realtwhore. I've got myself duped that I have a keen sense for these things.

[V]

BTW, I'm still waiting for the flip houses answer. You smell like a realtwhore. I've got myself duped that I have a keen sense for these things.

A realtwhore, flipping houses? No, I am not and do not. What a strange assumption. Why would you ask that?

[Jiddy78]

A realtwhore, flipping houses? No, I am not and do not. What a strange assumption. Why would you ask that?

Hope. You let me down.

Banker, perhaps? :cool:

[V]

The world would be a better place if each of us made an attempt to be good to the other. That only comes from each individual.

YES, I totally and completely agree. It ONLY comes from each individual. But making the attempt means going through a spirtual process. Not everyone is insightful or self-aware enough for that process. Those that are, are called "enlightened" in Buddhism.

Why are you so angry?

I need the anecdotals.




I am not necessarily angry, but more disgusted. I guess you could say I am "angry" at how primarily the evangelical Christians have distorted Christianity and caused a lot of people to be turned off by the message of Jesus. I, myself, will most likely never go to a church again. I also do not like the insults to homosexuals because some Christians think the Bible (and thus God) finds them to be an abomination. OR that Muslims want to kill Christians and all the other slanderous, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson shit I have heard throughout the years.

[V]

Hope. You let me down.

Banker, perhaps? :cool:

Nope. Didn't you read my profile!

[LSU]

I am not necessarily angry, but more disgusted. I guess you could say I am "angry" at how primarily the evangelical Christians have distorted Christianity and caused a lot of people to be turned off by the message of Jesus. I, myself, will most likely never go to a church again. I also do not like the insults to homosexuals because some Christians think the Bible (and thus God) finds them to be an abomination. OR that Muslims want to kill Christians and all the other slanderous, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson shit I have heard throughout the years.


You're on the wrong site then.

[V]

You're on the wrong site then.

Really? I wouldn't necessarily say that. Especially not from the posts I have read. Why are you an evangelical?

[Jiddy78]

You're on the wrong site then.

"Insurmountable" is your word of the week.

[Jiddy78]

Really? I wouldn't necessarily say that. Especially not from the posts I have read. Why are you an evangelical?

I'm Catholic. Do your worst, Count of Monte Cristo.

[V]

I'm Catholic. Do your worst, Count of Monte Cristo.

LOL, I was raised in Catholic school and church for the better part of my early years. Thus, why I am where I am at. I can thank the falsities of Catholicism for my questioning of Christianity. However, I think Catholicism is primarily where it all went wrong.

[IBC]

Nope. Didn't you read my profile!

Don't sweat Jiddy, he just hates Babylonians, thats all.

[LSU]

Really? I wouldn't necessarily say that. Especially not from the posts I have read. Why are you an evangelical?



http://www.twistedcodes.com/graphics/funny_pictures/a/lmao.jpg

[V]

Don't sweat Jiddy, he just hates Babylonians, thats all.

No, no no. Pharisees. that is all.

[IBC]

http://www.twistedcodes.com/graphics/funny_pictures/a/lmao.jpg

Best picture ever to use on this board.

LSU is far from an evangelical. He is a scientist with a flair for calm and controlled convo. Is there a flair for that?

[V]

http://www.twistedcodes.com/graphics/funny_pictures/a/lmao.jpg

yawn

[V]

yawn

Oh I see, then. Still...yawn.

[Jiddy78]

Oh I see, then. Still...yawn.

If you can come up with a better LMAO picture, I will accept this yawn as fact.

[V]

If you can come up with a better LMAO picture, I will accept this yawn as fact.

LOL, k, you got me. Still, yawn.

[IBC]

LOL, k, you got me. Still, yawn.

No way, best LMAO picture ever. Sorry, I get excited whenever I see it. Means there is something good written before it. There should be sanctions for using that image unless what comes before it is extremely good.

[V]

No way, best LMAO picture ever. Sorry, I get excited whenever I see it. Means there is something good written before it. There should be sanctions for using that image unless what comes before it is extremely good.

K, fine. Will somebody please respond to my Romney/Mormon thread? I have been wondering about this for a while:confused:

[IBC]

K, fine. Will somebody please respond to my Romney/Mormon thread? I have been wondering about this for a while:confused:
Sorry man, don't know crap about mormons.

[V]

Sorry man, don't know crap about mormons.

which is WHY I posted the thread! sigh:rolleyes:

[KinjaKahn]

Jesus wasn't even born on December 25th. Christmas is a pagan/hallmark holiday! Hmmm....perhaps the Jehovah Witnesses were right....:D
Clue: Not all Christians celebrate Christmas on Dec. 25th.

Clue: Christmas is not celebrated on the winter solstice.

Clue: Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, what day they do it is irrelevant.

[V]

Clue: Not all Christians celebrate Christmas on Dec. 25th.

Clue: Christmas is not celebrated on the winter solstice.

Clue: Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, what day they do it is irrelevant.

Hint: yes, I know not all Christians celebrate Christmas on Dec. 25th. There are some Christians out there that know their history.

Hint: Winter Solstice is on Dec. 21st

Hint: Then perhaps they should not sing "Christ was born on Christmas day"

[KinjaKahn]

Hint: Then perhaps they should not sing "Christ was born on Christmas day"
Perhaps you can take this moment to instigate some litigation...

[ryr8828]

I am not necessarily angry, but more disgusted. I guess you could say I am "angry" at how primarily the evangelical Christians have distorted Christianity and caused a lot of people to be turned off by the message of Jesus. I, myself, will most likely never go to a church again. I also do not like the insults to homosexuals because some Christians think the Bible (and thus God) finds them to be an abomination. OR that Muslims want to kill Christians and all the other slanderous, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson shit I have heard throughout the years.
Muslims don't want to kill Christians?

Have you canvassed all of them?

[V]

Muslims don't want to kill Christians?

Have you canvassed all of them?

Of course not. And yes, believe it or not, NOT ALL MUSLIMS WANT TO KILL CHRISTIANS. Just as there are fanatics in Christianity and other religions and social causes there are muslim fanatics who are sadly mislead.

[MTVike]

Of course not. And yes, believe it or not, NOT ALL MUSLIMS WANT TO KILL CHRISTIANS. Just as there are fanatics in Christianity and other religions and social causes there are muslim fanatics who are sadly mislead.

That is true, of course.

We had a speaker from the National Foreign service talk to us about that.

He described the common Muslim as being like the common Christian...interested in living their own lives in peace.

The small pecentage has taken up the fundamentalist jihad belief that Islam must be defended at all costs...even if it means taking the battle to the perceived enemy, us in this case.

There are examples of Christian militarism in our history. Even today, some religious nuts are protesting the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq, blaming the U.S.'s tolerance of homosexuals and saying it is God's wrath.

There are nuts whereever you go.

[V]

[QUOTE=MTVike;25091]
There are examples of Christian militarism in our history. Even today, some religious nuts are protesting the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq, blaming the U.S.'s tolerance of homosexuals and saying it is God's wrath.

[QUOTE]


Yes, I believe the Crusades would be an example of one

[KinjaKahn]

Yes, I believe the Crusades would be an example of one
Really? Were the crusades justified?

[V]

Really? Were the crusades justified?

the question of justification was not in the discussion you read.

[swordfish]

Really? Were the crusades justified?

Yes when is killing justified?

Would Jesus kill Muslims?

[V]

Yes when is killing justified?

Would Jesus kill Muslims?

exactly :D

[KinjaKahn]

Yes when is killing justified?

Would Jesus kill Muslims?
So Jesus would just stand back and watch muslims slaughter people? Perhaps the sword peter had in the garden which he used to lop off the ear of the "arresting" thug, was not for defense and was really to used to slice bread? Would Jesus be arrested today for turning over the moneychangers tables?

"Thou shalt not kill" doesn't mean let someone kill you or others.

Do you think the second coming is about a euchre tournament with the anti-christ?

[KinjaKahn]

545: Birth of Abdullah, the Holy Prophet's father.
571: Birth of the Holy Prophet. Year of the Elephant. Invasion of Makkah by Abraha the Viceroy of Yemen, his retreat.
577: The Holy Prophet visits Madina with his mother. Death of his mother.
580: Death of Abdul Muttalib, the grandfather of the Holy Prophet.
583: The Holy Prophet's journey to Syria in the company of his uncle Abu Talib. His meeting with the monk Bahira at Bisra who foretells of his prophethood.
586: The Holy Prophet participates in the war of Fijar.
591: The Holy Prophet becomes an active member of "Hilful Fudul", a league for the relief of the distressed.
594: The Holy Prophet becomes the Manager of the business of Lady Khadija, and leads her trade caravan to Syria and back.
595: The Holy Prophet marries Hadrat Khadija. Seventh century
605: The Holy Prophet arbitrates in a dispute among the Quraish about the placing of the Black Stone in the Kaaba.
610: The first revelation in the cave at Mt. Hira. The Holy Prophet is commissioned as the Messenger of God.
613: Declaration at Mt. Sara inviting the general public to Islam.
614: Invitation to the Hashimites to accept Islam.
615: Persecution of the Muslims by the Quraish. A party of Muslims leaves for Abyssinia.
616: Second Hijrah to Abysinnia.
617: Social boycott of the Hashimites and the Holy Prophet by the Quraish. The Hashimites are shut up in a glen outside Makkah.
619: Lifting of the boycott. Deaths of Abu Talib and Hadrat Khadija. Year of sorrow.
620: Journey to Taif. Ascension to the heavens.
621: First pledge at Aqaba.
622: Second pledge at Aqaba. The Holy Prophet and the Muslims migrate to Yathrib.
623: Nakhla expedition.
624: Battle of Badr. Expulsion of the Bani Qainuqa Jews from Madina.
625: Battle of Uhud. Massacre of 70 Muslims at Bir Mauna. Expulsion of Banu Nadir Jews from Madina. Second expedition of Badr.
626: Expedition of Banu Mustaliq.
627: Battle of the Trench. Expulsion of Banu Quraiza Jews.
628: Truce of Hudaibiya. Expedition to Khyber. The Holy Prophet addresses letters to various heads of states.
629: The Holy Prophet performs the pilgrimage at Makkah. Expedition to Muta (Romans).
630: Conquest of Makkah. Battles of Hunsin, Auras, and Taif.
631: Expedition to Tabuk. Year of Deputations.
632: Farewell pilgrimage at Makkah.
632: Death of the Holy Prophet. Election of Hadrat Abu Bakr as the Caliph. Usamah leads expedition to Syria. Battles of Zu Qissa and Abraq. Battles of Buzakha, Zafar and Naqra. Campaigns against Bani Tamim and Musailima, the Liar.
633: Campaigns in Bahrain, Oman, Mahrah Yemen, and Hadramaut. Raids in Iraq. Battles of Kazima, Mazar, Walaja, Ulleis, Hirah, Anbar, Ein at tamr, Daumatul Jandal and Firaz.
634: Battles of Basra, Damascus and Ajnadin. Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph. Battles of Namaraq and Saqatia.
635: Battle of Bridge. Battle of Buwaib. Conquest of Damascus. Battle of Fahl.
636: Battle of Yermuk. Battle of Qadsiyia. Conquest of Madain.
637: Conquest of Syria. Fall of Jerusalem. Battle of Jalula.
638: Conquest of Jazirah.
639: Conquest of Khuizistan. Advance into Egypt.
640: Capture of the post of Caesaria in Syria. Conquest of Shustar and Jande Sabur in Persia. Battle of Babylon in Egypt.
641: Battle of Nihawand. Conquest Of Alexandria in Egypt.
642: Battle of Rayy in Persia. Conquest of Egypt. Foundation of Fustat.
643: Conquest of Azarbaijan and Tabaristan (Russia).
644: Conquest of Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Mekran and Kharan. Martyrdom of Hadrat Umar. Hadrat Othman becomes the Caliph.
645: Campaigns in Fats.
646: Campaigns in Khurasan, Armeain and Asia Minor.
647: Campaigns in North Africa. Conquest of the island of Cypress.
648: Campaigns against the Byzantines.
651: Naval battle of the Masts against the Byzantines.
652: Discontentment and disaffection against the rule of Hadrat Othman.
656: Martyrdom of Hadrat Othman. Hadrat Ali becomes the Caliph. Battle of the Camel.
657: Hadrat Ali shifts the capital from Madina to Kufa. Battle of Siffin. Arbitration proceedings at Daumaut ul Jandal.
658: Battle of Nahrawan.
659: Conquest of Egypt by Mu'awiyah.
660: Hadrat Ali recaptures Hijaz and Yemen from Mu'awiyah. Mu'awiyah declares himself as the Caliph at Damascus.
661: Martyrdom of Hadrat Ali. Accession of Hadrat Hasan and his abdication. Mu'awiyah becomes the sole Caliph.
662: Khawarij revolts.
666: Raid of Sicily.
670: Advance in North Africa. Uqba b Nafe founds the town of Qairowan in Tunisia. Conquest of Kabul.
672: Capture of the island of Rhodes. Campaigns in Khurasan.
674: The Muslims cross the Oxus. Bukhara becomes a vassal state.
677: Occupation of Sarnarkand and Tirmiz. Siege of Constantinople.
680: Death of Muawiyah. Accession of Yazid. Tragedy of Kerbala and martyrdom of Hadrat Hussain.
682: In North Africa Uqba b Nafe marches to the Atlantic, is ambushed and killed at Biskra. The Muslims evacuate Qairowan and withdraw to Burqa.
683: Death of Yazid. Accession of Mu'awiyah II.
684: Abdullah b Zubair declares himself aS the Caliph at'Makkah. Marwan I becomes the Caliph' at Damascus. Battle of Marj Rahat.
685: Death of Marwan I. Abdul Malik becomes the Caliph at Damascus. Battle of Ain ul Wada.
686: Mukhtar declares himself as the Caliph at Kufa.
687: Battle of Kufa between the forces of Mukhtar and Abdullah b Zubair. Mukhtar killed.
691: Battle of Deir ul Jaliq. Kufa falls to Abdul Malik.
692: The fall of Makkah. Death of Abdullah b Zubair. Abdul Malik becomes the sole Caliph.
695: Khawarij revolts in Jazira and Ahwaz. Battle of the Karun. Campaigns against Kahina in North Africa. The' Muslims once again withdraw to Barqa. The Muslims advance in Transoxiana and occupy Kish.
700: Campaigns against the Berbers in North Africa.
702: Ashath's rebellion in Iraq, battle of Deir ul Jamira.
705: Death of Abdul Malik. Accession of Walid I as Caliph.
711: Conquest of Spain, Sind and Transoxiana.
712: The Muslims advance in Spain, Sind and Transoxiana.
713: Conquest of Multan.
715: Death of Walid I. Accession of Sulaiman.
716: Invasion of Constantinople.
717: Death of Sulaiman. Accession of Umar b Abdul Aziz.
720: Death of Umar b Abdul Aziz. Accession of Yazid II.
724: Death of Yazid II. Accession of Hisham.
725: The Muslims occupy Nimes in France.
732: The battle of Tours in France.
737: The Muslims meet reverse at Avignon in France.
740: Shia revolt under Zaid b Ali. Berber revolt in North Africa. Battle of the Nobles.
741: Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa.
742: The Muslim rule restored in Qiarowan.
743: Death of Hisham. Accession of Walid II. Shia revolt in Khurasan under Yahya b Zaid.
744: Deposition of Walid I1. Accession of Yazid II1 and his death. Accession of Ibrahim and his overthrow. Battle of Ain al Jurr. Accession of Marwan II.
745: Kufa and Mosul occupied by the Khawarjites.
746: Battle of Rupar Thutha, Kufa and Mosul occupied by Marwan II.
747: Revolt of Abu Muslim in Khurasan.
748: Battle of Rayy.
749: Battles of lsfahan and Nihawand. Capture of Kufa by the Abbasids. As Saffah becomes the Abbasid Caliph at Kufa.
750: Battle of Zab. Fall of Damascus. End of the Umayyads.
751: Conquest of Wasit by the Abbasid. Murder of the Minister Abu Salama.
754: Death of As Saffah. Accession of Mansur as the Caliph.
755: Revolt of Abdullah b Ali. MUrder of Abu Muslim. Sunbadh revolt in Khurasan.
756: Abdul Rahman founds the Umayyad state in Spain.
762: Shia revolt under Muhammad (Nafs uz Zakia) and Ibrahim.
763: Foundation of Baghdad. Defeat of the Abbasids in Spain.
767: Khariji state set up by Ibn Madrar at Sijilmasa. Ustad Sees revolt in Khurasan.
772: Battle of Janbi in North Africa. Rustamid. state set up in Morocco.
775: Death or the Abbasid Caliph Mansur, Accession of Mahdi.
777: Battle of Saragossa in Spain.
785: Death of the Caliph Mahdi. Accession of Hadi.
786: Death of Hadi. Accession of Harun ur Rashid.
788: Idrisid state set up in the Maghrib. Death of Abdul Rahman of Spain, and accession of Hisham.
792: Invasion of South France.
796: Death of Hisham in Spain; accession of al Hakam.
799: Suppression of the revolt of the Khazars. Ninth century.
800: The Aghlabid rule is established in North Africa.
803: Downfall of the Barmakids. Execution of Jafar Barmki.
805: Campaigns against the Byzantines. Capture of the islands of Rhodes and Cypress.
809: Death of Harun ur Rashid. Accession of Amin.
814: Civil war between Amin and Mamun. Amin killed and Mamun becomes the Caliph.
815: Shia revolt under Ibn Tuba Tabs.
816: Shia revolt in Makkah; Harsama quells the revolt. In Spain the Umayyads capture the island of Corsica.
817: Harsama killed.
818: The Umayyads of Spain capture the islands of Izira, Majorica, and Sardinia.
819: Mamun comes to Baghdad.
820: Tahir establishes the rule of the Tahirids in Khurasan.
822: Death of Al Hakam in Spain; accession of Abdul Rahman. II.
823: Death of Tahir in Khurasan. Accession of Talha and his deposition. Accession of Abdullah b Tahir.
827: Mamun declares the Mutazila creed as the state religion.
833: Death of Mamun. Accession of Mutasim.
836: Mutasim shifts the capital to Samarra.
837: Revolt of the Jats.
838: Revolt of Babek in Azarbaijan suppressed.
839: Revolt of Maziar in Tabaristan. The Muslims occupy South Italy. Capture of the city of Messina in Sicily.
842: Death of Mutasim, accession of Wasiq.
843: Revolts of the Arabs.
847: Death of Wasiq, accession of Mutawakkil.
850: Mutawakkil restores orthodoxy.
849: Death of the Tahirid ruler Abdullah b Tahir; accession of Tahir II.
852: Death of Abdur Rahman II of Spain;. accession of Muhammad I.
856: Umar b Abdul Aziz founds the Habbarid rule in Sind.
858: Mutawakkil founds the town of Jafariya.
860: Ahmad founds the Samanid rule in Transoxiana.
861: Murder of the Abbasid Caliph Mutawakkil; accession of Muntasir.
862: Muntasir poisoned to death; accession of Mutasin.
864: Zaidi state established in Tabaristan by Hasan b Zaid.
866: Mutasim flies from Samarra, his depostion and accession of Mutaaz.
867: Yaqub b Layth founds the Saffarid rule in Sistan.
868: Ahmad b Tulun founds the Tulunid rule in Egypt.
869: The Abbasid Caliph Mutaaz forced to abdicate, his death and accession of Muhtadi.
870: Turks revolt against Muhtadi, his death and accession of Mutamid.
873: Tahirid rule extinguished.
874: Zanj revolt in South Iraq. Death of the Samanid ruler Ahmad, accession of Nasr.
877: Death of Yaqubb Layth in Sistan, accession of Amr b Layth.
885: Death of Ahmad b Tulun in Egypt, accession of Khamar- wiyiah.
866: Death of Muhammad I the Umayyad ruler of Spain, accession of Munzir. Death of Abdullah b Umar the Habbari ruler of Sind.
888: Death of Munzir the Umayyad ruler of Spain, accession of Abbullah.
891: The Qarmatian state established at Bahrain.
892: Death of the Samanid ruler Nasr, accession of Ismail.
894: The Rustamids become the vassals of Spain.
896: Death of the Tulunid ruler Khamarwiyiah; accession of Abul Asakir Jaish.
897: Assassination of Abul Asakir Jaish; accession of Abu Musa Harun.
898: Qarmatians sack Basra.
902: Death of the Abbasid Caliph Muktafi; death of the Saffarid ruler Amr.
903: Assassination of the Qarmatian ruler Abu Said; accession of Abu Tahir.
905: Abdullah b Hamdan founds the Hamdanid rule in Mosul and Jazira. End of the Tulunid rule in Egypt.
907: Death of the Abbasid Caliph Muktafi; accession of Muqtadir.
908: End of the Saffarid rule, annexation of their territories by the Samanids.
909: Ubaidullah overthrows the Aghlablds and founds the Fatimid rule in North Africa.
912: Death of the Umayyad Amir Abdullah in Spain, accession of Abdur Rahman III.
913: Assassination of the Samanid ruler Ahmad II, accession of Nasr II.
928: Mardawij b Ziyar founds the Ziyarid rule in Tabaristan.
929: Qarmatians sack Makkah and carry away the Black Stone from the Holy Kaaba. In Spain, Abdur Rahman III declares himself as the Caliph.
931: Deposition and restoration of the Abbasid Caliph Muqtadir. Death of the Qarmatian ruler Abu Tahir; accession of Abu Mansur.
932: Death of the Abbasid Caliph Muqtadir; accession of Al Qahir.
934: Deposition of the Abbasid Caliph Al Qahir; accession of Ar Radi. Death of the Fatimid Caliph Ubaidullah ; accession of Al Qaim.
935: Assassination of the Ziyarid ruler Mardawij; accession of Washimgir. Death of Hamdanid ruler Abdullah b Hamdan accession of Nasir ud Daula.
936: By coup Ibn Raiq becomes the Amir ul Umara.
938: By another coup power at Baghdad is captured by Bajkam.
940: Death of the Abbasid Caliph Ar Radi, accession of Muttaqi.
941: Assassination of Bajkam, capture of power by Kurtakin.
942: Ibn Raiq recaptures power.
943: Al Baeidi captures power. The Abbasid Caliph Muttaqi is forced to seek refuge with the Hamdanids. Sail ud Daula captures power at Baghdad and the Caliph returns to' Baghdad. Power is captured by Tuzun and Sail ud Daula retires' to Mosul. Death of the Samanid ruler Nasr II, accession of Nuh.
944: Muttaqi is blinded and deposed, accession of Mustakafi.
945: Death of Tuzun. Shirzad becomes Amir ul Umra. The Buwayhids capture power. Deposition of the Abbasid Caliph Mustakafi.
946: Death of the Fatimid Caliph A1 Qaim. accession of Mansur. Death of the Ikhshid ruler Muhammad b Tughj, accession of Abul' Qasim Ungur.
951: The Qarnaatiana restore the Black Stone to the Holy Kaaba.
954: Death of the Sasanid ruler Nuh, accession of Abdul Malik.
961: Death of the Samanid ruler Abdul Malik, accession of Manauf. Alptgin founds the rule of the Ghazanavids. Death of the Umayyad Caliph Abdul Rahman III in Spain; accession of Hakam. Death of the Ikhshid ruler Ungur accession of Abul Hasan Ali.
965: Death of the Qarmatian ruler Abu Mansur; accession of Hasan Azam. Assassination of the Ikhshid ruler Abul Hasan Ali; power captured by Malik Kafur.
967: Death of the Buwayhid Sultan Muiz ud Daula, accession of Bakhtiar. Death of the Hamdanid ruler Sail ud Daula.
968: Byzantines occupy Aleppo. Death of the Ikhshid ruler Malik Kafur; accession of Abul Fawaris.
969: The Fatimids conquer Egypt.
972: Buluggin b Ziri founds the rule of the Zirids Algeria.
973: Shia Sunni disturbances in Baghdad; power captured in Baghdad by the Turkish General Subuktgin.
974: Abdication of the Abbasid Caliph Al Muttih; accession of At Taii.
975: Death of the Turk General Subuktgin. Death of the Fatimid Caliph Al Muizz.
976: The Buwayhid Sultan Izz ud Daula recaptures power with the help of his cousin Azud ud Daula. Death of the Samanid ruler Mansur, accession of Nuh II. In Spain death of the Umayyad Caliph Hakam, accession of Hisham II.
978: Death of the Buwayhid Sultan Izz ud Daula, power captured by Azud ud Daula. The Hamdanids overthrown by the Buwayhids.
979: Subkutgin becomes the Amir of Ghazni.
981: End of the Qarmatian rule at Bahrain.
982: Death of the- Buwayhid Sultan Azud ud Daula; accession of Samsara ud Daula.
984: Death of the Zirid ruler Buluggin, accession of Mansur.
986: The Buwyhid Sultan Samsara ud Daula overthrown by Sharaf ud Daula.
989: Death of the Buwayhid Sultan Sharaf ud Daula, accession of Baha ud Daula.
991: Deposition of the Abbasid Caliph At Taii, accession of Al Qadir.
996: Death of the Zirid ruler Mansur, accession of Nasir ud Daula Badis.
997: Death of the Samanid ruler Nuh II, accession of Mansur II.
998: Death of the Samanid ruler Mansur II, accession of Abdul Malik II. Mahmud becomes the Amir of Ghazni.
999: End of the Samanids.
1001: Mahmud Ghazanavi defeats the Hindu Shahis.
1004: Mahmud captures Bhatiya.
1005: Mahmud captures Multan and Ghur.
1008: Mahmud defeats the Rajput confederacy.
1010: Abdication of Hisham II in Spain. accession of Muhammad.
1011: In Spain Muhammad is overthrown by Sulaiman.
1012: In Spain power is captured by Bani Hamud. Death of the Buwayhid Baha ud Daula, accession of Sultan ud Daula.
1016: Death of the Zirrid ruler Nasir ud Daula Badis; accession of Al Muizz.
1018: In Spain power is captured by Abdul Rahman IV.
1019: Conquest of the Punjab by Mahmud Ghazanavi.
1020: The Buwayhid Sultan ud Daula is Overthrown by Musharaf ud Daula, Death of the Fatimid Caliph Al Hakim, accession of Al Zahir.
1024: In Spain assassination of Abdul Rahman IV, accession of Mustafi.
1025: Death of the Buwayhid Mushgraf ud Daula, accession of Jalal ud Daula.
1029: In Spain death of Mustaft, accession of Hisham III.
1030: Death of Mahmud Ghazanavi.
1031: In Spain deposition of Hisharn III, and end of the Umayyad rule. Death of the Abbasid Caliph Al Qadir, accession of Al Qaim.
1036: Death of the Fatimid Caliph Al Zahir, accession of Mustansir. Tughril Beg is crowned as the king of the Seljuks.
1040: Battle of Dandanqan, the Seljuks defeat the Ghazanavids. Deposition of Masud the Ghazanavid Sultan, accession of Muhammad. Al Moravids come to power in North Africa.
1041: The Ghazanavid Sultan Muhammad is overthrown by Maudud.
1044: Death of the Buwayhid Jalal ud Daula, accession of Abu Kalijar.
1046: Basasiri captures power in Baghdad.
1047: The Zirids in North Africa repudiate allegiance to the Fatimid and transfer allegiance to-the Abbasids.
1048: Death of the Buwayhid Abu Kalijar, accession of Malik ur Rahim.
1050: Yusuf b Tashfin comes to power .in the Maghrib.
1055: Tughril Beg overthrows the Buwayhids.
1057: Basasiri recaptures power in Baghdad, deposes Al Qaim and offers allegiance to the Fatimid Caliph.
1059: Tughril Beg recaptures power in Baghdad, al Qaim is restored as the Caliph.
1060: Ibrahim becomes the Sultan of Ghazni. Yusuf b Tashfin founds the city of Marrakesh. The Zirids abandon their capital Ashir and establish their capital at Bougie.
1062: Death of the Zirid ruler Al Muizz, accession of Tamin.
1063: Death of the Seljuk Sultan Tughril Beg; accession of Alp Arsalan.
1071: Battle of Manzikert, the Byzantine emperor taken captive by the Seljuks.
1073: Death of Alp Arsalan, accession of Malik Shah.
1077: Death of the Abbasid Caliph Al Qaim, accession of Al Muqtadi.
1082: The A1 Moravids conquer Algeria.
1086: Battle of Zallakha. The Al Moravids defeat the Christians in Spain. Death of the Rum Sejuk Sultan Sulaiman, accession of Kilij Arsalan.
1091: The Normans conquer the island of Sicily; end of the Muslim rule.
1092: Death of the Seljuk Sultan Malik Shah, accession of Mahmud.
1094: Death of Mahmud; accession of Barkiaruk. Death of the Abbasid Caliph Al Muqtadi, accession of Mustahzir.
1095: The first crusade. ABOUT FUCKING TIME eh?

1099: The crusaders capture Jerusalem.

The Crusades were justified.

[V]

"Thou shalt not kill" doesn't mean let someone kill you or others.

?

So, what do you think he meant by turn the either cheek? And from what I understood, Jesus did allow himself to be killed. I do not think he fought back once and as I recall, he told Peter to put away his sword.

[KinjaKahn]

So, what do you think he meant by turn the either cheek? And from what I understood, Jesus did allow himself to be killed. I do not think he fought back once and as I recall, he told Peter to put away his sword.
Clue: There was a purpose for Jesus to Die.

The reason I brought up Peter is to highlight the fact he was armed.

[KinjaKahn]

So, what do you think he meant by turn the either cheek? And from what I understood, Jesus did allow himself to be killed. I do not think he fought back once and as I recall, he told Peter to put away his sword.
Turning the other cheek is about not seeking retaliation or revenge and forgiveness. This is not meant to say allow yourself to be robbed, your wife and child raped and then killed.

[V]

Turning the other cheek is about not seeking retaliation or revenge and forgiveness. This is not meant to say allow yourself to be robbed, your wife and child raped and then killed.

Sure, but Jesus did allow himself to be beat, tortured and killed

[KinjaKahn]

Sure, but Jesus did allow himself to be beat, tortured and killed
Clue: There was a purpose for Jesus to Die.

[swordfish]

Clue: There was a purpose for Jesus to Die.

So kids can hunt eggs?

My fault that is what I thought they were teaching.

[IBC]

So Jesus would just stand back and watch muslims slaughter people? Perhaps the sword peter had in the garden which he used to lop off the ear of the "arresting" thug, was not for defense and was really to used to slice bread? Would Jesus be arrested today for turning over the moneychangers tables?

"Thou shalt not kill" doesn't mean let someone kill you or others.

Do you think the second coming is about a euchre tournament with the anti-christ?

Because Muslims are horrible slaughterers and our Christian president is just doing this other thing, but not in the name of Christianity. Got it.

[IBC]

So Jesus would just stand back and watch muslims slaughter people? Perhaps the sword peter had in the garden which he used to lop off the ear of the "arresting" thug, was not for defense and was really to used to slice bread? Would Jesus be arrested today for turning over the moneychangers tables?

"Thou shalt not kill" doesn't mean let someone kill you or others.

Do you think the second coming is about a euchre tournament with the anti-christ?

Jesus hearts preemptive war! Do it for God!

[KinjaKahn]

Because Muslims are horrible slaughterers and our Christian president is just doing this other thing, but not in the name of Christianity. Got it.
You really think Bush is fighting Muslims unprovoked in the name of Christ? Know who Bukhari is? I doubt you do, but here is one of his Hadiths...

“Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?’ Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet said, ‘Yes,’ Maslamah said, ‘Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.’ The Prophet said, ‘You may say such things.’” Link (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html)

[KinjaKahn]

Jesus hearts preemptive war! Do it for God!

Link?

[IBC]

Link?

Link on what, warrior Jesus? Who taught us to fight Muslims before they have sex with our white women?

[KinjaKahn]

So kids can hunt eggs?

My fault that is what I thought they were teaching.

Perhaps we should let the 4yr olds watch the uncut version of the Passion of the Christ? Or just let them have fun with the easter egg nonsense until they are old enough to understand the meaning of Easter. If you think Christian church's weave the Easter Bunny into crucifixion & resurrection, I don't really know how to fix this false impression you have.

[KinjaKahn]

Link on what, warrior Jesus? Who taught us to fight Muslims before they have sex with our white women?
Link to preemptive war as policy of Jesus Christ. Throw in the link to fighting Muslims over sex partners as well. This should be good, much better than hugging Special Olympians for their efforts & accomplishments.

[IBC]

Link to preemptive war as policy of Jesus Christ. Throw in the link to fighting Muslims over sex partners as well. This should be good, much better than hugging Special Olympians for their efforts & accomplishments.

If you didn't sense the sarcasm I can't help.

[KinjaKahn]

If you didn't sense the sarcasm I can't help.
From your seemingly clueless efforts to interject nonsensical fallacies pertaining to Islame, I have no choice but see everything you say concerning Islame to be your belief. Much in the same way you see my ideal about aborting homosexual fetuses as a literal goal. Note my reactions to your silly beliefs, then compare them to your flamboyantly feigned hollow outrage expressed towards my silly beliefs. I own your sig. Rent is due bitch.

:D

[IBC]

From your seemingly clueless efforts to interject nonsensical fallacies pertaining to Islame, I have no choice but see everything you say concerning Islame to be your belief. Much in the same way you see my ideal about aborting homosexual fetuses as a literal goal. Note my reactions to your silly beliefs, then compare them to your flamboyantly feigned hollow outrage expressed towards my silly beliefs. I own your sig. Rent is due bitch.

:D
Well, I don't think what you said in my sig was in jest or could possibly be construed that way, but hey.

As far as I see it, Jesus Christ wasn't for any sort of war.

[KinjaKahn]

As far as I see it, Jesus Christ wasn't for any sort of war.
Jesus is coming back. He is going to confront the anti-Christ, if you are alive when this happens I am convinced you will be one of the anti-Christs supporters. :)

[IBC]

Jesus is coming back. He is going to confront the anti-Christ, if you are alive when this happens I am convinced you will be one of the anti-Christs supporters. :)

Sweet. I will be waiting. Any day now I am sure.