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Vegas
09-11-2007, 12:56 PM
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By LAWRENCE KUDLOW | Posted Monday, September 10, 2007 4:30 PM PT

A simple yet overlooked thought in the current debate about the health of the economy, the subprime credit virus and the proper role of Federal Reserve monetary policy is this:

You don't have credit blowups, liquidity freezes, dysfunctional commercial paper markets, suspect bank loan quality — nor do these ailments spill over into London and European money markets — when central bank policies are easy and accommodative.

Financial panics and overly stressed markets are symptomatic of tight and restrictive money. In other words, the current story of financial fear, trembling and high anxiety is itself a critically important signal that money is way too tight.

Economists are always on the hunt for indicators to determine whether central banks are fostering liquidity shortages or liquidity excesses. They look at currencies, commodities, bond rates and a host of other price indicators.

One such indicator in the economist's arsenal demanding attention is the current financial state of extreme risk-aversion, cash-hoarding and utter lack of financial confidence. More than any other gauge, it is today's financial panic that unequivocally signals to the Fed (and perhaps the Bank of England and the European Central Bank) that something is wrong with money.

Friday's disappointing jobs report pounds this point home. The unexpected loss of 4,000 corporate payroll jobs (the first drop in four years) plus a very unsettling 316,000 drop in the household jobs survey is consistent with the recent shocks to our financial system.

So were the 81,000 downward revisions to the months of June and July. Incidentally, the only reason unemployment held firm at 4.6% is a 340,000 drop in the civilian labor force. This undoubtedly signals worker discouragement and declining labor morale.

After President Bush slashed tax rates four years ago, many of us argued that the rising household survey of jobs gains was a good leading indicator of more work and lower unemployment. We were right. Both the payroll and the household surveys produced over 8 million new jobs, while the unemployment rate dropped from 6.3% to 4.5%. That said, year to date the monthly change in household employment is actually falling by an average of 16,000. This is a big negative and does not bode well for future job tallies.

There are some saving graces to the economic story. While the Goldilocks, soft-landing scenario is imperiled by the deepening financial squeeze, it is not yet completely dead in the water.

Recent numbers from the Institute for Supply Management show an expanding economy in manufacturing and services. Same-store chain sales came in above estimates for August. Personal incomes after tax and after inflation are still rising by 3.8% for the 12 months ending in July.

Silver linings aside, the commercial paper market for short-term business loans continues its deep-south migration with an almost unprecedented $300 billion evaporation. In the months ahead, nearly a trillion dollars of commercial paper will have to be rolled over.

It's hard to say where all this money is going to come from in today's risk-averse environment. At present, investors are more than willing to finance short-term Treasury paper at roughly 4%, but so-called asset backed corporate paper is going unfunded despite a better-than-6% return. Exactly the same problem is cropping up in the London interbank loan market, as Libor rates have jumped nearly a hundred basis points in recent days.

The main point here is that if businesses are unable to access working capital to fund their daily needs, then these firms will be forced to shrink their operations. That means layoffs. American companies are already experiencing their first profit decline in over five years. Nonfinancial domestic corporations have experienced negative profit margins and falling profits over the past three quarters.

Treasury Department tax collections from business income have fallen off a cliff. Wall Street analyst Dan Clifton revealed that corporate tax revenues fell 29% in August compared with a year ago. And these corporate tax collections have now dropped in three of the past four months. A year ago, they were rising by more than 20%.

So while big companies are still benefiting from overseas-based profits, the domestic story is rapidly deteriorating. Moreover, it's a safe bet that the financial sector will deliver downside surprises as today's mortgage mess continues to unwind.

Unfortunately, not a single one of these critical economic issues came up in last week's GOP debate in New Hampshire. But make no mistake about it, the financial credit crunch and the economic downturn is going to loom large in next year's election.

As for the Federal Reserve, it is, of course, an independent agency. None of its members will be standing in front of voters come November 2008. Nonetheless, it is the Fed, more than any other policy lever, that holds the all-important key to our economic future. Disappointingly, so far it has downplayed the disruption in financial markets.

If central bankers would come to their analytical senses, they would appreciate that today's financial panic is itself sufficient reason to slash the Fed funds target rate by at least a full percentage point from today's 5.25% to something around 4%. Such a move would be a much-needed injection of confidence into a rattled marketplace.

Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan has compared the current financial turmoil to that of 1987's stock plunge and the 1998 dislocation of giant hedge fund Long Term Capital Management. Fortunately, financial panics don't occur very often. But what we have before us today is a modern version of the old-fashioned run on the bank. The only difference is that the bank today is the global money market.

The Fed can fix this. But it better get moving.

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 01:54 PM
Seriously, Vegas, do you laugh at this and consider cancelling the check you send these fools?

What a f*cking joke...Crying for a rate cut to save the day because reality is hitting them in the face, one that they have been denying for quite some time.

Vegas
09-11-2007, 02:14 PM
Seriously, Vegas, do you laugh at this and consider cancelling the check you send these fools?

What a f*cking joke...Crying for a rate cut to save the day because reality is hitting them in the face, one that they have been denying for quite some time.

So what would it take for you to advocate a rate cut?

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 02:35 PM
So what would it take for you to advocate a rate cut?

Not this, that's for sure....Seriously, for being one of the "right" persuasion, I would hardly think you would be about rewarding financial irresponsibility. Similar to giving a f*cking handout. How high is the interest rate right now in comparison to history? If things are so strong right now, as you've stated many MANY times, why do we need a rate cut? Do you not agree that risk is a necessary part of the market? A rate cut would be nothing more than a bandaid for a wound that requires amputation. Seriously, this kind of moaning and groaning and financial idiocy being surrendered to reeks of socialism and is a far cry from what the world markets are looking for in a risk premium.

Vegas
09-11-2007, 02:42 PM
Not this, that's for sure....Seriously, for being one of the "right" persuasion, I would hardly think you would be about rewarding financial irresponsibility. Similar to giving a f*cking handout. How high is the interest rate right now in comparison to history? If things are so strong right now, as you've stated many MANY times, why do we need a rate cut? Do you not agree that risk is a necessary part of the market? A rate cut would be nothing more than a bandaid for a wound that requires amputation. Seriously, this kind of moaning and groaning and financial idiocy being surrendered to reeks of socialism and is a far cry from what the world markets are looking for in a risk premium.

The problem is that the fed has had a bias against inflation for many years and they have often repeatedly erred on the high side of interest rates. Your buddy Mr. Greenspan held his foot on the brakes way too long and way too often when inflation was very tame. It's a leftover Keynsian thing.

KinjaKahn
09-11-2007, 02:56 PM
Whats the problem? Just tell them to fuck off.

Vegas
09-11-2007, 03:00 PM
Whats the problem? Just tell them to fuck off.

Who is "them?"

KinjaKahn
09-11-2007, 03:02 PM
Who is "them?"The complainers who see this imaginary problem.

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 03:21 PM
The problem is that the fed has had a bias against inflation for many years and they have often repeatedly erred on the high side of interest rates. Your buddy Mr. Greenspan held his foot on the brakes way too long and way too often when inflation was very tame. It's a leftover Keynsian thing.

Well, except for that doubling of land prices, which subsequently doubled all fixed cost for every company and person in America....'cept that part, right? I forgot we pick and choose our inflation....That's "appreciation" of course.


I say "boo" to you.

Vegas
09-11-2007, 03:26 PM
Well, except for that doubling of land prices, which subsequently doubled all fixed cost for every company and person in America....'cept that part, right? I forgot we pick and choose our inflation....That's "appreciation" of course.


I say "boo" to you.

Land prices doubling causes increased fixed costs of every company? That's news to me.

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 03:30 PM
Land prices doubling causes increased fixed costs of every company? That's news to me.

Consider yourself "newsed"....

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 03:32 PM
Looks like the market enjoys this news...Too bad they've been pricing it in for a while now...Mmmmm...Big fall looming...You ready to scalp buddy?

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 03:35 PM
Looks like the market enjoys this news...Too bad they've been pricing it in for a while now...Mmmmm...Big fall looming...You ready to scalp buddy?

http://sim.massart.edu/themes/default/images/scalpel.jpg

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 03:37 PM
Here's a simple question that will get crickets:

Why would the Fed cut rates if the market is going up?

Enjoy.

KinjaKahn
09-11-2007, 03:52 PM
Here's a simple question that will get crickets:

Why would the Fed cut rates if the market is going up?

Enjoy.

Facade.

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 04:40 PM
Facade.

I consider this part of the crickets...Continue on with the non-answering, folks. Remember, stocks follow profits and earnings of corporations...Many stocks are hitting all-time, lifetime highs...Why are we cutting rates to "help" the economy?

*enjoys the sweet silence*

Vegas
09-11-2007, 05:25 PM
Here's a simple question that will get crickets:

Why would the Fed cut rates if the market is going up?

Enjoy.

To ensure an adequate supply of money for growth.

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 05:32 PM
To ensure an adequate supply of money for growth.

Hogwash....It would only be to influence consumer spending...Nothing more...Increasing the money supply is handled by just that...Increasing it.

Vegas
09-11-2007, 05:38 PM
Hogwash....It would only be to influence consumer spending...Nothing more...Increasing the money supply is handled by just that...Increasing it.

So again I ask when you would advocate a rate cut......

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 05:57 PM
So again I ask when you would advocate a rate cut......

So again I tell you, not until risk is re-established in the market....Pushing paper cannot be rewarded millions of dollars...It's not productive...and that sh*t has to be cleansed or we'll be f*cked.

Vegas
09-11-2007, 05:59 PM
So again I tell you, not until risk is re-established in the market....Pushing paper cannot be rewarded millions of dollars...It's not productive...and that sh*t has to be cleansed or we'll be f*cked.

That means nothing. There is always risk established in the market.

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 06:05 PM
That means nothing. There is always risk established in the market.

Yep...but it means little until it is actually realized....and a fed cut will only prolong the inevitable....The market WILL run its course, fed cut or no...We are in agreement...It's just a matter of timing...Just like a bandaid, let's just pull this sumb*tch off and let the market revert to the mean rather than slowly peel it...It's better that way for everyone...because if they are just patted on the tooshy for their non-production, further non-production will be spawned...much less laziness...

pnkpanther
09-11-2007, 06:48 PM
I consider this part of the crickets...Continue on with the non-answering, folks. Remember, stocks follow profits and earnings of corporations...Many stocks are hitting all-time, lifetime highs...Why are we cutting rates to "help" the economy?

*enjoys the sweet silence*

so i could still have a job


ASS

KinjaKahn
09-11-2007, 07:09 PM
So again I tell you, not until risk is re-established in the market....Pushing paper cannot be rewarded millions of dollars...It's not productive...and that sh*t has to be cleansed or we'll be f*cked.

already fucked....

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 07:14 PM
so i could still have a job


ASS

Don't kill the messenger. Don't forget that I was, and still am, angry at all the circumstances present...and I hardly caused them.

pnkpanther
09-11-2007, 07:30 PM
Don't kill the messenger. Don't forget that I was, and still am, angry at all the circumstances present...and I hardly caused them.

I'm only kidding around

Jiddy78
09-11-2007, 07:39 PM
I'm only kidding around

I know...Anything happen today? Send out some resumes?

Jiddy78
09-12-2007, 04:20 PM
Upon review...It looks like the fed has hit a 5% target rate...Looks like a quarter point reduction is in the bag at this point...based on their actions...More?

swordfish
09-12-2007, 05:31 PM
Again for the slow people. Here is the scenario.

Rates are low, as always lenders are eager. Lenders give out 110% loans, interest only loans, lend money on homes that stretch basic budgest etc.. The majority of people don't read much of the fine print, they just look at the payment and sign away their first child. After a few years the fed increases the rate over 16 + consecutive times. Balloon mortgages are hit with upwards of 3% increases. For some this means $500 a month just to cover interest payments. Foreclosures (which will always occur regardless of the market) start to increase and mortgage lenders get nervous. Couple this with the fact that in some areas there is a huge supply of new condos, rentals etc. which only lowers the value of other properties. Then mortgage lenders start to bankrupt. The fed steps in and makes repurchase agreements through the stock market to keep said companies afloat. Fed talks about rate cuts (to get the lenders off their backs) and meanwhile holds the line. Who wins in this situation? Do Americans win or is it The Federal Reserve?

Clue: Under a repurchase agreement the company not only puts up its stock for collateral on a loan, they also pay interest on the "injected" money. Its a win-win situation. The Fed collects huge interest on the loans, then still has the option for a "hostile takeover". There is no other way to look at it.

Jiddy78
09-12-2007, 06:03 PM
Again for the slow people. Here is the scenario.

Rates are low, as always lenders are eager. Lenders give out 110% loans, interest only loans, lend money on homes that stretch basic budgest etc.. The majority of people don't read much of the fine print, they just look at the payment and sign away their first child. After a few years the fed increases the rate over 16 + consecutive times. Balloon mortgages are hit with upwards of 3% increases. For some this means $500 a month just to cover interest payments. Foreclosures (which will always occur regardless of the market) start to increase and mortgage lenders get nervous. Couple this with the fact that in some areas there is a huge supply of new condos, rentals etc. which only lowers the value of other properties. Then mortgage lenders start to bankrupt. The fed steps in and makes repurchase agreements through the stock market to keep said companies afloat. Fed talks about rate cuts (to get the lenders off their backs) and meanwhile holds the line. Who wins in this situation? Do Americans win or is it The Federal Reserve?

Clue: Under a repurchase agreement the company not only puts up its stock for collateral on a loan, they also pay interest on the "injected" money. Its a win-win situation. The Fed collects huge interest on the loans, then still has the option for a "hostile takeover". There is no other way to look at it.

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