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Vegas
04-06-2007, 12:54 PM
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070406/OPINION01/704060333/1008



We have come to the conclusion that the crisis Michigan faces is not a shortage of revenue, but an excess of idiocy. Facing a budget deficit that has passed the $1 billion mark, House Democrats Thursday offered a spending plan that would buy a MP3 player or iPod for every school child in Michigan.

No cost estimate was attached to their hare-brained idea to "invest" in education. Details, we are promised, will follow.

The Democrats, led by their increasingly erratic speaker Andy Dillon of Redford Township, also pledge $100 million to make better downtowns.

Their plan goes beyond cluelessness. Democrats are either entirely indifferent to the idea that extreme hard times demand extreme belt tightening, or they are bone stupid. We lean toward the latter.

We say that because the House plan also keeps alive, again without specifics, the promise of tax hikes.

The range of options, according to Rep. Steve Tobocman, D-Detroit, includes raising the income tax, levying a 6 percent tax on some services, and taxing junk food and soda.

We wonder how financially strained Michigan residents will feel about paying higher taxes to buy someone else's kid an iPod.

That they would include such frivolity in a crisis budget plan indicates how tough it will be to bring real spending reform to Michigan.

Senate Republicans issued a plan a week ago that eliminates the deficit with hard spending cuts. Now their leader, Mike Bishop of Rochester Hills, is sounding wobbly, suggesting he might compromise on a tax hike.

We hope Bishop is reading the polls that say three-quarters of Michigan residents oppose higher taxes.

There are few things in the House budget outline from which to forge a compromise.

For example, Dillon says he would shift the burden of business taxes to companies that operate in Michigan, but don't have a facility here. The certain outcome of that plan is to drive even more businesses out of Michigan.

About all we see of merit is a call for government consolidation and a demand that state employees contribute more to their retirement benefits -- which is no more than House Democrats suggested for future state lawmakers a few weeks ago.

We find it ironic that the Democrats are proposing floating $5 billion in revenue bonds to pay for retiree health care, when Gov. Jennifer Granholm vetoed a nearly identical plan by Oakland County because it would cost the state money.

Instead of advocating cost-saving changes in public school teacher pension and health plans, Dillon suggests more study. There have been plenty of studies of the issue, with the conclusion being that hundreds of millions of dollars could be saved through reforms. Michigan needs action, not more study committees.

Dillon also proposes that the state cover 50 percent of the cost of catastrophic health insurance for everyone in the place, but once again doesn't specify a funding source.

Stop the stupidity. Michigan can't tax or spend its way out of this economic catastrophe.

The only responsible option is to bring spending in line with current revenues. The mission must be to expand the tax base, rather than to expand taxes, by crafting a budget that encourages growth.

We won't get there by wasting money on early Christmas presents for Michigan kids.

Jiddy78
04-06-2007, 01:07 PM
Consumer credit has run dry...Somebody's gotta pick up the slack for the "investors"....

I like it. Opportunistic....and creates jobs for Chindians.

pnkpanther
04-06-2007, 01:18 PM
MI keeps dropping the pooch, to solve the housing criss in detroit, they're building new condos


ahhhh

Vegas
04-06-2007, 01:20 PM
MI keeps dropping the pooch, to solve the housing criss in detroit, they're building new condos


ahhhh

And they keep re-electing the same people...

'Lifer
04-06-2007, 01:24 PM
Good ol Democrats.....always giving to the "needy".

ryr8828
04-06-2007, 02:15 PM
Is Blagojevich of IL getting his ideas from Michigan, or visa versa?

He proposes universal health care in Illinois, even though the state can't make their health care payments to hospitals and doctors now. Doctors are leaving again, and we don't have a surplus of them in my region.

He proposes raising corporate taxes to pay for it, while corporations are already leaving IL and relocating elsewhere due to the anti business climate in the state.

Two bad governors in a row, 3 terms worth, and no end in sight. I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel either, since this is the same state which elected both Durbin and Obama and is in love with both.

Vegas
04-06-2007, 02:18 PM
Is Blagojevich of IL getting his ideas from Michigan, or visa versa?

He proposes universal health care in Illinois, even though the state can't make their health care payments to hospitals and doctors now. Doctors are leaving again, and we don't have a surplus of them in my region.

He proposes raising corporate taxes to pay for it, while corporations are already leaving IL and relocating elsewhere due to the anti business climate in the state.

Two bad governors in a row, 3 terms worth, and no end in sight. I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel either, since this is the same state which elected both Durbin and Obama and is in love with both.

Sounds like ILL wants to catch up to Michigan.

BoredWithNoSB
04-06-2007, 02:22 PM
Jebus, what a horrible article.
The iPod thing is bad, and stupid. As is the healthcare thing. I'm not denying that.

OK, here's what's going on:

Michigan has a $686 Million shortfall for this fiscal year and an addiitonal $900 million structural shortfall thereafter (which is likely to be higher becuase it doesn't take into account continued massive migration out of the state). The cuts proposed (including a cut in the budget for the current school year of 3% per child) are a short-term fix.
Additionally, many of these cuts being propsed by the now minority republicans are actually just accounting voodoo to move the liability into future accoutning periods.

Under the prior Republican Gubenatorial Administration many cuts were made (Engler was a "good" republican in that way). Over the last 6 years Michigans revenue has decreased each year, though. Corresponding cuts had been made. There's simply not a lot of fat left to cut. This is not a simple "tax & spend" vs contraint decision. This is a decision between raising taxes tro maintain minimal government functionality or cutting things like school funding at both the K-12 level and the university level (which has had its funding vcut for each of the last 8 years already).
Also, one of the reasons for the shortfall is the outgoing republican legislature (it was clear at the time they were going to lose the house) voted to repeal (not reduce, repeal) business taxes in the state and left it up to the incoming democratic legislature to replace those revenues. Now, they won't allow a replacement tax to pass since they don't want to "raise" taxes.

Michigan's only chance of survival is to become a leader in somehting and the governmor is wisely aiming for education. To have great education, you cannot underfund education. Again, I think the IPod thing is a bunch of crap, but Detroit had to close 36 schools this week ebcuas eof budget shortfalls. There's real porblems. However, as the an article on MLive points out each of the three groups (State House, State Senate, Governor) is only addressing 1 leg of the table in their plans (reform, budget cuts, raising revenue).

http://www.mlive.com/news/statewide/index.ssf?/base/news-8/1175812805233770.xml&coll=1&thispage=1

Moral of the story: This article is a bunch of simplified propogandic crap, and Michigan is hosed.

Vegas
04-14-2007, 04:55 PM
Democrats try to bury iPod idea

http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070414/News01/704140388/-1/NEWS01

LANSING -- House Democrats tried to bury a distracting controversy Thursday, saying a statement made last week about providing iPods for Michigan students had been misconstrued and was unfairly overshadowing the state's budget crisis.

Democrats, at least for now, aren't considering providing an iPod or MP3 player for Michigan students. House Speaker Andy Dillon, D-Redford, said in a statement this week the initiative can't be pursued until the state has settled its budget problems.

That statement was backed up Thursday at a news conference by Rep. Tim Melton, a Democrat from Auburn Hills and chairman of the House Education Committee.

"Let me be clear -- there is no plan for an iPod for every kid," Melton said. There never was such a plan, he said, although Democrats do want to promote using new technology in Michigan classrooms.

State government has resolved only about a third of a $1 billion shortfall this fiscal year. An even bigger deficit looms for the budget year that begins Oct. 1.

The budget problem is one reason the iPod idea, first mentioned last week by Democratic Rep. Matt Gillard of Alpena, has drawn criticism. Even some Democratic members of the state House have spoken out against the idea, which has received a mixed reaction from educators.

The iPod proposal would be part of a $38 million "21st Century Learning Environments" House Democrats are considering. Most of that money would go to professional development for teachers, Melton said.

House Democratic leaders behind the proposal are under scrutiny because Apple Inc., which makes iPods, at least partly paid for three lawmakers to travel to the company's headquarters in California earlier this year.

Thursday, the lawmakers said they will pay the price of that trip -- $1,702 each -- out of their own pockets.

Democrats said the trip wasn't much different from those taken to Apple when Republicans were in charge of the state House. Those trips, in 2002 and 2003, came after former Republican House Speaker Rick Johnson started working on a program that provided laptop computers to some Michigan students.

The laptop program eventually ended up using computers provided by Hewlett-Packard Co. The state's budget problems essentially caused a halt to the program before it got beyond the pilot stage.

Johnson, now a lobbyist, appeared with Democrats at their Thursday press conference.