NAFTA Superhighway

[Vegas]

Does it exist?

[abreu]

Absolutely, and it's a travesty

It'll be interesting to see how much money Bush can "secretly" appropriate until he finally has to come clean about it

[KinjaKahn]

Does it exist?
I think its being constructed under the guise of being called something like the Trans Texas Corridor. http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm

[Jiddy78]

Long live the Amero.

[KinjaKahn]

Nothing to worry about, this is not real. Its alex jones conspiracy nutjob stuff. Hey American Idol is on!!

[Vegas]

Nothing to worry about, this is not real. Its alex jones conspiracy nutjob stuff. Hey American Idol is on!!

I'm confused about your two posts. I agree with your second one about it being an Alex Jones thing.

[KinjaKahn]

I'm confused about your two posts. I agree with your second one about it being an Alex Jones thing.
Did you look over the article on the US Federal Government website? Regardless of what you think of the author, he is a congressman, and a physician, his access to to information greatly outweighs anyone on this board. He is also against the corrupt establishment "running" the nation into the ground.

[Vegas]

Did you look over the article on the US Federal Government website? Regardless of what you think of the author, he is a congressman, and a physician, his access to to information greatly outweighs anyone on this board. He is also against the corrupt establishment "running" the nation into the ground.

So how does the government make a highway 400 yards wide and nobody notices?

[BoredWithNoSB]

So how does the government make a highway 400 yards wide and nobody notices?

You ever driven across Texas or New Mexico?

[KinjaKahn]

You ever driven across Texas or New Mexico?
Yep ... miles of nothing.

[BoredWithNoSB]

Yep ... miles of nothing.

Worst idea I ever had:
Lets drive from Ruidoso, NM to Phoenix.

Second Worst idea I ever had:
Let's drive from Sealy, TX to Denison, TX

[Jiddy78]

So how does the government make a highway 400 yards wide and nobody notices?


Just bust out the google satellite thing...Gotta be on there somewhere...

[Vegas]

Yep ... miles of nothing.

It's not miles of nothing along the total alleged route. Assuming it's true, the government will have to buy a lot of land from a lot of owners. Nobody has or will notice(d)?

[Vegas]

So, KinjaKahn are you a listener of Alex Jones?

[KinjaKahn]

So, KinjaKahn are you a listener of Alex Jones?
I entertain all views, and discard nonsense.

[Jiddy78]

I entertain all views, and discard nonsense.

Everybody else doesn't?

[KinjaKahn]

Everybody else doesn't?
Would you prefer I speak for you?

[Jiddy78]

Would you prefer I speak for you?

No...I'm just saying that entertaining concepts and discarding what one views as nonsense is a given...as in, you stating the fact is like saying the sun rises in the east. I'm busting your balls. Damn man...Stop watching Lions games.

[KinjaKahn]

No...I'm just saying that entertaining concepts and discarding what one views as nonsense is a given...as in, you stating the fact is like saying the sun rises in the east. I'm busting your balls. Damn man...Stop watching Lions games.

See I cannot agree with this, everyone doesn't bring in all views. Vegas asked if I listened to Alex Jones, I am left to think he would be prejudiced to any article originating from Prisonplanet, Jones Report, or his other one which escapes me at this moment. Alex is way out there. No doubt. But even a blind squirrel can stumble upon a nut. I admire Alex's fearless attitude. The guy bullhorns out front of the state building in Austin TX.

Submit now to Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson... and Mercy may be considered.

[Jiddy78]

See I cannot agree with this, everyone doesn't bring in all views. Vegas asked if I listened to Alex Jones, I am left to think he would be prejudiced to any article originating from Prisonplanet, Jones Report, or his other one which escapes me at this moment. Alex is way out there. No doubt. But even a blind squirrel can stumble upon a nut. I admire Alex's fearless attitude. The guy bullhorns out front of the state building in Austin TX.

Submit now to Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson... and Mercy may be considered.

Honesty is more important that conformity...Many don't see that...They just flow with the current instead...Meanwhile, somewhere ahead lies the waterfall...

[Vegas]

See I cannot agree with this, everyone doesn't bring in all views. Vegas asked if I listened to Alex Jones, I am left to think he would be prejudiced to any article originating from Prisonplanet, Jones Report, or his other one which escapes me at this moment. Alex is way out there. No doubt. But even a blind squirrel can stumble upon a nut. I admire Alex's fearless attitude. The guy bullhorns out front of the state building in Austin TX.

Submit now to Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson... and Mercy may be considered.

I've read some of his stuff and think he's a nut. That doesn't mean that everything he says is wrong. But I think the Nafta Superhighway thing is a bunch of nonsense.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/hayes

[KinjaKahn]

I've read some of his stuff and think he's a nut. That doesn't mean that everything he says is wrong. But I think the Nafta Superhighway thing is a bunch of nonsense.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070827/hayes
What if the project is called something else? The government can categorically deny the term "NAFTA Superhighway". Far fetched? Not really. Examine the Ports to Plains project. Keep in mind there is a such thing as inland ports. Keep in mind Denver built a monstrous airport catering to freight and Denver has a giant terminal on this project.

http://www.portstoplains.com/maps/GPITC%20Map%20Expanded_2006.pdf
http://www.portstoplains.com/graphics/GPITC_MAP_12_05.pdf
Colorado State DOT website---> http://www.dot.state.co.us/ports2plains/overview/overview.html

According to the USDOT all the roads in the project are classified as priority.
http://www.portstoplains.com/maps/congressional%20corridors.pdf

Construction underway
Colorado:
Colorado continues to upgrade U.S. 287 as a super two Highway (see photo).
This design is being used to provide adequate capacity for future and keep flexibility to expand to four-lane. Since 1995 CDOT has expended $147 million upgrading 124 miles of US 287. Current projects include an 11.4 mile section at $22.2m and a bridge replacement over Union Pacific Railway at $8m. Another 5.1 mile section is programmed for 2008 at a cost of $10m.

New Mexico:
New Mexico has the most aggressive schedule of expanding from two to four lanes with 32.6 miles from Raton to Clayton with three segments under construction at a cost of $54.5 million. The four final segments, totaling
48 miles, are scheduled for construction in 2007-2009 with at an estimated cost of $83.9 million.

Texas:
Texas currently has $40m in four-lane expansion projects under construction.
An additional $275m is programmed through 2014 for expansion projects.
Another $458m is programmed from the same period for reliever routes along the Ports-to-Plains Corridor.

Oklahoma:
Oklahoma is currently focusing on the construction of the $23m Boise City Reliever Route which will allow traffic to avoid the current bottleneck in downtown. Additionally, in FY08-09, another $15m is programmed to reconstruct 11.6 miles of existing two-lane south of the Oklahoma/Colorado state line Finally, ODOT has programmed $6.3m in FY07-08 for right-of-way acquisition and utility relocation for later expansion to four-lane.

http://www.portstoplains.com

Ports-to-Plains Mission Statement

The Ports-to-Plains Trade Corridor is a planned, multimodal transportation corridor including a multi-lane divided highway that will facilitate the efficient transportation of goods and services from Mexico, through West Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Oklahoma, and ultimately on into Canada and the Pacific Northwest.

Together, the communities along the Ports-to-Plains Trade Corridor are becoming the Gateway to trade throughout the nation and with Mexico and Canada. The Ports-to-Plains Trade Corridor will provide a vast number of benefits for communities along the corridor. The Trade Corridor will allow for the development of less congested ports of entry along the Texas/Mexico border. In addition, it will provide alternatives to other congested corridors that run through major metropolitan areas. In doing so, the trade between Mexico, Canada, and the United States will continue to dramatically increase and all three nations will continue to see a rise in their regional mobility and economic status.

[LSU]

I wonder if they're hiring illegals to build this thing.

[Vegas]

I wonder if they're hiring illegals to build this thing.

I don't think they're hiring anyone to build what they're not building.

[pnkpanther]

wal-mart wants one...

[LSU]

I don't think they're hiring anyone to build what they're not building.


Gotta wonder if this isn't why Bush wanted an amnesty bill...so that he'd have an army of immigrants ready to work...

[Vegas]

Gotta wonder if this isn't why Bush wanted an amnesty bill...so that he'd have an army of immigrants ready to work...

We already have an army of immigrants ready to work.

[LSU]

We already have an army of immigrants ready to work.




10 lanes from south to north is a lot of work. You'd need a lot of Army, and it wouldn't look good if they were all illegals. Well, it doesn't look good anyway, but it would look worse.

[KinjaKahn]

The Heartland Expressway:
(Heart of the Great Plains Trade Corridor)

The Heartland Expressway is one of 43 Federally designated high priority corridors.

When completed, the Heartland Expressway will provide multi-lane divided highway access between Rapid City, South Dakota and Denver, Colorado via Alliance, NE, Scottsbluff, NE, and Brush, CO . MAP

This corridor will also provide access to Colorado Springs, CO via Limon, CO .

The Heartland Expressway is centered at the heart of the Great Plains Trade Corridor , a proposed four-lane artery which will connect the metropolitan cities and regional trade centers of the Great Plains from Canada to Mexico . MAP

Mission Statements for Proposed Corridors:

Great Plains Trade Corridor:

The Great Plains Trade Corridor is a multi-lane, divided highway corridor that promotes and enhances domestic and international trade in North America , provides an essential economic development tool for the rural Great Plains , and improves Homeland Security throughout the Great Plains by connecting metropolitan cities and regional trade centers from Canada to Mexico via the Great Plains .

The Great Plains Trade Corridor is composed of the Ports-to-Plains Trade Corridor, Heartland Expressway, and Theodore Roosevelt Expressway .

Heartland Expressway:

The Heartland Expressway is a multi-lane, divided highway that promotes and enhances domestic and international trade as it connects Denver , Colorado Springs, and the Ports-to-Plains Trade Corridor to Rapid City and the Theodore Roosevelt Expressway.

The Heartland Expressway provides an essential economic development tool for rural areas in Colorado , Nebraska , and South Dakota and improves Homeland Security in the nation's Heartland.

Ports-to-Plains Trade Corridor:

The Ports-to-Plains Trade Corridor is a planned, multi-lane divided highway that will facilitate the efficient transportation of goods and services from Mexico , through West Texas , Colorado , and Oklahoma , and ultimately on into Canada and the Pacific Northwest . Together, the cities along the Ports-to-Plains Trade Corridor will become the Gateway to Trade for the Midwest .

Upon completion, the Ports-to-Plains Trade Corridor will provide a vast number of benefits to communities along the route and will allow for the development of less congested ports of entry along the Texas/Mexico border. In addition, it will provide alternatives to other congested corridors that run through major metropolitan areas. In doing so, the trade between Mexico , Canada , and the United States will dramatically increase and all three nations will see a rise in their regional mobility and economic status.

Status of the Great Plains Trade Corridor and the Heartland Expressway:

Significant progress has been made on the Great Plains Trade Corridor . Roughly one-third of the corridor is complete, including nearly half of the Ports-to-Plains Trade Corridor .

Completed sections of the Great Plains Trade Corridor , from south to north:

• Autopista 85 for 161 miles from Monterrey , Mexico to Laredo , TX ;

• Interstate 35 for 14 miles north of Laredo ;

• US 277 for 2 miles south of Del Rio ;

• US 277 for 4 miles north of Del Rio ;

• US 277 for 5 miles south of San Angelo ;

• US 87/I-27/US 287 for 380 miles from San Angelo to Strafford , TX , except for a 20 mile stretch south of Big Springs;

• US 191/I-20 for 15 miles around Midland ;

• US 87 for 14 miles south and 2 miles north of Dalhart;

• US 87 for 9 miles west of Texas/New Mexico border;

• US 287 for 2 miles south and 8 miles north of Lamar , CO ;

• I-70 for 87 miles from Limon , CO to Denver , CO ;

• I-76 for 92 miles from Denver to Brush, CO;

• NE 71 for 35 miles from 4 miles north of Kimball to Gering;

• SD Highway 79 for 15 miles from Hermosa , SD to Rapid City ;

• I-90 for 51 miles from Rapid City to Spearfish, SD;

• Highway 2 for 19 miles North of Williston , ND .

• Canada Route 11 for 155 miles from Regina to Saskatoon

Projects under construction include:

• NE Highway 26 for 10 miles between Scottsbluff and Minatare , NE. May be completed by Fall 2003.

• SD Highway 79 for 34 miles between Hermosa and Maverick Junction (east of Hot Springs ). May be completed by 2006.

• Scottsbluff/Gering Bypass for 6.7 miles to begin Fall 2003. May be completed in 2005.

• Highway 85 for 11 miles from Spearfish, SD to Belle Fourche , SD. May be completed in 2004.


The remainder of the corridor is presently 2-lane highway. Federal Feasibility Studies have been completed for the remainder of the Great Plains Trade Corridor except for CO Highway 24 from Colorado Springs to Limon, CO; Highway 71 from Limon, CO to Brush, CO; and SD Highway 79/US Highway 85 from Sturgis, SD to the North Dakota/Canada border. Colorado has, however, reviewed their aforementioned routes as part of the 2002 Eastern Colorado Mobility Study.

[Vegas]

So KinjaKahn, do you believe that Spain will own those roads? I'm not trying to be sarcastic. It's an honest question.

[swordfish]

I doubt the Spanish will own it but I am wary of the North American Union. If you doubt that the govt would be doing something and calling it something else then need to read more history.

[Vegas]

I doubt the Spanish will own it but I am wary of the North American Union. If you doubt that the govt would be doing something and calling it something else then need to read more history.

Did you read the article I linked from "The Nation?"

[KinjaKahn]

So KinjaKahn, do you believe that Spain will own those roads? I'm not trying to be sarcastic. It's an honest question.
I am not in favor of privatizing any our public works.

[swordfish]

Did you read the article I linked from "The Nation?"

Yeh and I also read the UNESCO objectives.

Cultural Heritage and Manned Biosphere.

See the American Indians lived in that land long before white people settled here. UNESCO wants to make sure that cultural heritage , hence race, is maintained. This is the only thing that can explain to me why we face all these unsolved problems. If we fail to see the tightening of the UN belt it will be too late when we realize what they are trying to accomplish. Too bad the real Indians are long dead and we end up with refugees fleeing poverty.

[Nixon's Head]

Does it exist?Not yet, but if I-69 ever gets built in southern Indiana they'll be much closer.