is the south conservative?

[pnkpanther]

is the south conservative? or is it just perceived as Kinjakahn says

[IBC]

Proven statistically, yes. Any election results will do.

[Vegas]

Is California conservative? There are more Republicans in California than in any other state.

[Jiddy78]

is the south conservative? or is it just perceived as Kinjakahn says

Florida is no longer going to be a swing state...Sorry pnky. I see the demographics daily. Of course, won't really be a problem for the dems next election because Hillary/Obama has less of a chance than Dukakis.

[IBC]

Is California conservative? There are more Republicans in California than in any other state.

C'mon now.

[Jiddy78]

Is California conservative? There are more Republicans in California than in any other state.

That wouldn't surprise me based on their housing market.

[pnkpanther]

Is California conservative? There are more Republicans in California than in any other state.

they also have a high population but they're a solid blue state.

[pnkpanther]

Florida is no longer going to be a swing state...Sorry pnky. I see the demographics daily. Of course, won't really be a problem for the dems next election because Hillary/Obama has less of a chance than Dukakis.

now thats just low

[Vegas]

Florida is no longer going to be a swing state...Sorry pnky. I see the demographics daily. Of course, won't really be a problem for the dems next election because Hillary/Obama has less of a chance than Dukakis.

You see the whole state's demographics daily?

[Jiddy78]

You see the whole state's demographics daily?

I'll give you a whole state demographic in your ear.

[IBC]

Guys, California has the highest number of everything in our country.

[KinjaKahn]

Proven statistically, yes. Any election results will do.

If everyone votes this would be valid.

[pnkpanther]

If everyone votes this would be valid.

you're unbelievable....

[Nixon's Head]

Guys, California has the highest number of everything in our country.Even steers?

[Jiddy78]

Guys, California has the highest number of everything in our country.

*in best Vegas voice*

Especially smug...

[Vegas]

*in best Vegas voice*

Especially smug...

That's funny right there.

[IBC]

If everyone votes this would be valid.

Oh, come on.

[Jiddy78]

That's funny right there.

You were thinking it. Let it flow man.

[Iron Jaw]

they also have a high population but they're a solid blue state.

Of course, the term blue and red represent democrat/Repubican versus liberal/moderate/conservative. Generally we would agree that lib states usually vote democrat and conservative states vote Republican, while moderate states such as Missouri can swing both ways.

Time changes states - and parties. California was once generally regarded as a Republican state - for most of the 20th Century. Republicans had more liberal elements during much of the 20th Century than they do today. Up until 1992, Californians normally supported the Republican Presidential candidate. Bush 88, Reagan 80,84, Ford 76, Nixon 60, 68, 72, Eisenhower 52, 56, Hoover 28, Coolidge 24, Harding 20, (in 1912, California supported Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican running on a 3rd party ticket), Taft 08, T. Roosevelt 04 and McKinley 1900 and 1896.

California has also had 22 Republican and 14 democratic governors since reaching statehood - from 1900-2007, California has had 14 Republican governors and 4 democrats. In the 20th Century, California had 12 U.S. Senators who were Republican (the last was John Seymour who finished Pete Wilson's term in 1992 after Pete was elected as governor) - the dems had 10.

I considered California as basically a Republican state until the 1990's.


On the other hand, the South, for the majority of the 20th Century, voted for the democrat. The democrats had a strong conservative element through much of the 20th Century known as the "Southern" democrat - fiscally, democrat, socially conservative. In 1972, Richard Nixon carried the south, becoming the first Republican candidate ever, to carry a solid south. Carter, a southerner, regained some of it in 1976 but Reagan recaptured the South in 1980. (George Wallace carried five southern states while running as an American Independent in 1968 - but George was a lifelong democrat, who returned to his party shortly after the 1968 election - he ran for president in the 1972 democratic primaries......Hubert Humphrey was even considering taking on Wallace as his running mate, with potential loss of the south in mind.....Hubert lost the nomination that year to McGovern though - the thought of a northern liberal such as Humphrey running with a southern segregationist like Wallace may have been mind boggling to some - but keep in mind, politics often makes for strange bedfellows. In 1932 Franklin D. Roosevelt chose John Nance Garner, a southern dem/segregationist - and former Klansman, as his Veep. Roosevelt was a politician who wanted to maintain that dem control over the south).

[pnkpanther]

Of course, the term blue and red represent democrat/Repubican versus liberal/moderate/conservative. Generally we would agree that lib states usually vote democrat and conservative states vote Republican, while moderate states such as Missouri can swing both ways.

Time changes states - and parties. California was once generally regarded as a Republican state - for most of the 20th Century. Republicans had more liberal elements during much of the 20th Century than they do today. Up until 1992, Californians normally supported the Republican Presidential candidate. Bush 88, Reagan 80,84, Ford 76, Nixon 60, 68, 72, Eisenhower 52, 56, Hoover 28, Coolidge 24, Harding 20, (in 1912, California supported Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican running on a 3rd party ticket), Taft 08, T. Roosevelt 04 and McKinley 1900 and 1896.

California has also had 22 Republican and 14 democratic governors since reaching statehood - from 1900-2007, California has had 14 Republican governors and 4 democrats. In the 20th Century, California had 12 U.S. Senators who were Republican (the last was John Seymour who finished Pete Wilson's term in 1992 after Pete was elected as governor) - the dems had 10.

I considered California as basically a Republican state until the 1990's.


On the other hand, the South, for the majority of the 20th Century, voted for the democrat. The democrats had a strong conservative element through much of the 20th Century known as the "Southern" democrat - fiscally, democrat, socially conservative. In 1972, Richard Nixon carried the south, becoming the first Republican candidate ever, to carry a solid south. Carter, a southerner, regained some of it in 1976 but Reagan recaptured the South in 1980. (George Wallace carried five southern states while running as an American Independent in 1968 - but George was a lifelong democrat, who returned to his party shortly after the 1968 election - he ran for president in the 1972 democratic primaries......Hubert Humphrey was even considering taking on Wallace as his running mate, with potential loss of the south in mind.....Hubert lost the nomination that year to McGovern though - the thought of a northern liberal such as Humphrey running with a southern segregationist like Wallace may have been mind boggling to some - but keep in mind, politics often makes for strange bedfellows. In 1932 Franklin D. Roosevelt chose John Nance Garner, a southern dem/segregationist - and former Klansman, as his Veep. Roosevelt was a politician who wanted to maintain that dem control over the south).


yes, i'm well aware of the south, and dixiecrats.

see my southern strategy a few months back

[Iron Jaw]

they also have a high population but they're a solid blue state.

A relatively recent trend. For the majority of the 20th Century, California supported the Republican Candidate and housed a Rep Governor and senators. Of course, not all the governors were overly-conservative (i.e., Pete Wilson, George, George Deukmajian), or presidential candidates they supported (Nixon twice, Ford). California always had pockets of liberalism of the most extreme type (San Francisco Bay area), but also had some heavy conservative pockets (suburban LA, Orange County, San Diego) for most of the last century.

Then again, for most of the 20th Century (and the last 40 years of the 19th Century), the South was solid democrat. The old "segregationist" Southern Dems controlled the governorships and state politics, and the south didn't support a Republican candidate until they went for Nixon in his re-election campaign of 1972. And really, Nixon wasn't a genuine conservative. But the trend towards voting for conservative candidates for president in the south really began in the 70's.

[fahvra]

Is California conservative? There are more Republicans in California than in any other state.


lotta rich folk in Cali.

[Jiddy78]

lotta rich folk in Cali.

Lot more wannabe, debt = wealth folks IMO.

[Jesse Helms' Ghost]

A relatively recent trend. For the majority of the 20th Century, California supported the Republican Candidate and housed a Rep Governor and senators. Of course, not all the governors were overly-conservative (i.e., Pete Wilson, George, George Deukmajian), or presidential candidates they supported (Nixon twice, Ford). California always had pockets of liberalism of the most extreme type (San Francisco Bay area), but also had some heavy conservative pockets (suburban LA, Orange County, San Diego) for most of the last century. I was reading through some old threads and this brought up a recent fact for this election; OC and SD counties had more registered dems than GOP for the first time in a loooong time.

OC traditionally has had the largest percentage of Republicans in a County in the entire country. However, there were also more dems registered in OC than in SF County- a little known fact even here- and the dems grew that to where they now have more registered dems than registered Republicans up North as well as down here in two of the most conservative counties.

That said, Prop 8 STILL passed....even with all of those registered dems.