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Vegas
08-07-2007, 12:04 PM
http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=271292275324186

Politics And War: Abandoning all pretense, some Democrats now admit good news from Iraq is bad news for them. It's not that they're claiming the war is lost anymore. It's bad news for their party if we win it.
When Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid raised the white flag and proclaimed the war in Iraq to be lost, we were appalled that a major U.S. political leader would so render aid and comfort to the enemy by calling the young Americans whom they allegedly support a bunch of losers who were risking their lives for nothing.

Now the surrender monkeys of the Democratic Party are starting to fess up and admit that they simply don't think it's in their selfish political interest for the U.S. to emerge a winner in Iraq.
If you have good news, they don't want to hear it. Reid, Pelosi, Murtha et al. want to hear no progress, see no progress, speak no progress.

A spokesman for Pelosi admitted as much by saying Democratic leaders are "not willing to concede there are positive things to point to" in Iraq.

They are like gamblers who don't want their team to score if it ruins the point spread. The Democrats don't want us to win if it ruins their chances in 2008.

Not willing to concede that there is good news from Iraq, Rep. Nancy Boyda, a Kansas Democrat, got up and walked out at a recent hearing of the Armed Service Committee when retired Gen. Jack Keane said that "progress is being made" by the good guys, American and Iraqi.

Using the imperial pronoun, Ms. Boyda said that "there was only so much (good news) that you could take until we, in fact, had to leave the room for a while . . . after so much of the frustration of having to listen to what we listened to."

You know, things like this from Gen. Keane: "We are on the offensive and we have the momentum."

We have come to know how frustrating it can be for a Democrat to hear that we just might be winning in Iraq.

Boyda's concern was that the rest of the country might hear it, too. She expressed concern that Gen. Keane's remarks "will, in fact, show up in the media and further divide this country." Too late.

As we've noted, Brookings Institution scholars Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack wrote about the progress there in their New York Times piece, "A War We Just Might Win."

The Times had editorially proclaimed the war lost shortly before they wrote, "Here is the important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms."

In other words, the surge is working. And the American people are hearing the good news. A New York Times-CBS News poll released July 24 showed 42% felt military action in Iraq was the right thing to do, up from 35% in May. So distressed by the "counterintuitive" result were Times editors that they ordered the poll retaken. Same result.

The desperation felt by Democrats that we might be winning in Iraq was expressed by the No. 3 Democrat in the House, Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C. Clyburn recently observed that a positive September report from surge architect Gen. David Petraeus could lead to as many as 47 "Blue Dog" Democrats to oppose a withdrawal timetable. Clyburn said that such good news would be "a real big problem for us."

Earth to Clyburn — losing in Iraq would be a big problem for America and the civilized world.

Ed Who?
08-07-2007, 12:08 PM
Using the imperial pronoun, Ms. Boyda said that "there was only so much (good news) that you could take until we, in fact, had to leave the room for a while . . . after so much of the frustration of having to listen to what we listened to."

But please don't question their patriotism.

BoredWithNoSB
08-07-2007, 12:13 PM
I think that the concern is the good news is BS, not that there's good news. If the good news was that trhe government had reached an agreement on oil sharing and that the Iraqis now had a stable and viable military, everybody would be psyched.

When the good news is only 25 people were killed in car bombings yesterday, you kind of have to wonder.

Ed Who?
08-07-2007, 12:27 PM
I think that the concern is the good news is BS, not that there's good news.

You mean like the day that Saddam only gassed a few people rather than thousands?

BoredWithNoSB
08-07-2007, 12:31 PM
You mean like the day that Saddam only gassed a few people rather than thousands?

I think under the current administration the fact that we only killed a few civilians rather than a couple dozen would be touted as good news, yes.

IBC
08-07-2007, 12:51 PM
I think under the current administration the fact that we only killed a few civilians rather than a couple dozen would be touted as good news, yes.

Or actually more civilians were killed. The good news is BS, I have posted why. The American people have been lied to over and over again. We are tired of the BS. To say that it is unpatriotic to question the BS we are fed is the same bush league groupthink mentality that has us where we are.

KinjaKahn
08-07-2007, 12:56 PM
There are people who see personal ambitions, whether being political or financial, more important than the United States of America. Those people exist on both sides of the war. Those people are traitors.

BoredWithNoSB
08-07-2007, 12:58 PM
There are people who see personal ambitions, whether being political or financial, more important than the United States of America. Those people exist on both sides of the war. Those people are traitors.

Agreed. These people are known as presidential candidates most of the time.

However, simply because one doubts the information being tossed at them, or doesn't put a high weight on the data compared to other data doesn't automatically put them into that category.

IBC
08-07-2007, 01:01 PM
Agreed. These people are known as presidential candidates most of the time.

However, simply because one doubts the information being tossed at them, or doesn't put a high weight on the data compared to other data doesn't automatically put them into that category.

Or there is no data to suggest we are winning.

KinjaKahn
08-07-2007, 01:12 PM
Or there is no data to suggest we are winning.

Saddam, Uday, & Qusay are dead. That is glaring "data" supporting the notion that the Saddam regime has been soundly defeated.

IBC
08-07-2007, 01:12 PM
Saddam, Uday, & Qusay are dead. That is glaring "data" supporting the notion that the Saddam regime has been soundly defeated.

Ok, time to go like 3 years ago then.

KinjaKahn
08-07-2007, 01:15 PM
Ok, time to go like 3 years ago then.
and so? Enter the war profiteers...

IBC
08-07-2007, 01:24 PM
and so? Enter the war profiteers...

They entered in the run-up IMO. Who was lobbying for war?

Ed Who?
08-07-2007, 01:25 PM
Ok, time to go like 3 years ago then.

Why not go back to before 9/11 and hand over the deed for the World Trade Center to al-Qaeda?

IBC
08-07-2007, 01:27 PM
Why not go back to before 9/11 and hand over the deed for the World Trade Center to al-Qaeda?
Hey Strawman.
AL QAEDA WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH IRAQ! What is so hard about that for you? How much more proof do you need? How many Iraqi hijackers were there? Where are there Iraqi terrorists? What in the hell are you even talking about. You need to read a book called the 9/11 commission report.

Hotpapa666
08-07-2007, 01:44 PM
Hey Strawman.
AL QAEDA WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH IRAQ! What is so hard about that for you? How much more proof do you need? How many Iraqi hijackers were there? Where are there Iraqi terrorists? What in the hell are you even talking about. You need to read a book called the 9/11 commission report.

I propose a vote that Ed be forced to change his screen name to Strawman.

All in favor....

IBC
08-07-2007, 01:46 PM
I propose a vote that Ed be forced to change his screen name to Strawman.

All in favor....

aye

KinjaKahn
08-07-2007, 01:46 PM
They entered in the run-up IMO. Who was lobbying for war?
Virtually everyone. For every reason. WMD is rallying cry... but hardly the only "legitimate" reason to topple Saddam.

IBC
08-07-2007, 01:52 PM
Virtually everyone. For every reason. WMD is rallying cry... but hardly the only "legitimate" reason to topple Saddam.

If that is a legitimate reason to you in hindsight, then we an only agree its time to come home. We cannot agree on the beginning of this massive failure.

KinjaKahn
08-07-2007, 02:26 PM
If that is a legitimate reason to you in hindsight, then we an only agree its time to come home. We cannot agree on the beginning of this massive failure.

Hindsight is irrelevant... we don't act in the past, we act in the present. Please comprehend the concept of time, it is not traversable.

IBC
08-07-2007, 02:27 PM
Hindsight is irrelevant... we don't act in the past, we act in the present. Please comprehend the concept of time, it is not traversable.

Ok. I, like many, was against the war before it started. Bang-up job prowar folks. Peace.