Catholic Bible vs. Protestant Bible

[Tom Joad]

Why the differences? I mean, I know that the Catholic version has more books but were those books abhorrent to the Protestants? Seriously, what's the deal? Also, isn't there a verse somewhere where G-d says (?) that you're in deep trouble if you add or take away any books? If so, isn't someone in trouble? And, what about books like "The Apocalypse of Paul" and other such "heretic" writings?

[Tom Joad]

PS - I am neither Catholic nor Protestant so I'm not really in favor of one over the other.

[jcarm22]

Why the differences? I mean, I know that the Catholic version has more books but were those books abhorrent to the Protestants? Seriously, what's the deal? Also, isn't there a verse somewhere where G-d says (?) that you're in deep trouble if you add or take away any books? If so, isn't someone in trouble? And, what about books like "The Apocalypse of Paul" and other such "heretic" writings?
http://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/apocrypha.html



QUESTION: Didn't the King James Bible when first printed contain the Apocrypha?

ANSWER: Yes.

EXPLANATION: Many critics of the perfect Bible like to point out that the original King James had the Apocrypha in it as though that fact compromises its integrity. But several things must be examined to get the factual picture.

First, in the days in which our Bible was translated, the Apocrypha was accepted reading based on its historical value, though not accepted as Scripture by anyone outside of the Catholic church. The King James translators therefore placed it between the Old and New Testaments for its historical benefit to its readers. They did not integrate it into the Old Testament text as do the corrupt Alexandrian manuscnpts.

That they rejected the Apocrypha as divine is very obvious by the seven reasons which they gave for not incorporating it into the text. They are as follows:

1. Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament.

2. Not one of the writers lays any claim to inspiration.

3. These books were never acknowledged as sacred Scriptures by the Jewish Church, and therefore were never sanctioned by our Lord.

4. They were not allowed a place among the sacred books, during the first four centuries of the Christian Church.

5. They contain fabulous statements, and statements which contradict not only the canonical Scriptures, but themselves; as when, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in as many different places.

6. The Apocrypha inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection.

7. It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation.

If having the Apocrypha between the Testaments disqualifies it as authoritative, then the corrupt Vaticanus and Sinaiticus manuscripts from Alexandria, Egypt, must be totally worthless since their authors obviously didn't have the conviction of the King James translators and incorporated its books into the text of the Old Testament thus giving it authority with Scripture.

[KinjaKahn]

The Protesters, (aka Protestants) who chose to scorn the Church of Christ, dismantled the bible and reissued their own, condensed edited version. The bible was not issued by God, as many of those fruitloopy evangelicals believe. It was compiled by the Catholic Church from the many writings of the apostles as well as the Jewish Torah. None of the new testament was written in the days of Jesus Christ. The Gospels were handed down orally, generation to generation, for the first 100-300 years. Many writings of the same time period are excluded for reasons only known to the Catholic Church. Even books referenced in the bible are left out such as the Book of Enoch, and the Book of Jasher, Others such as the Gospel of Thomas... exist and are discounted for various reasons. The Church deems whats relevant and what's not. The Catholic Church has the worlds oldest Bible, called the Codex of Vaticanitus (not sure if thats spelled right), however another bible was found in the 1990's and is currently under restoration it's as old as the one the Vatican has and is called the Codex of Sinaiticus (Spelling).

[Vegas]

For the books included in both, there are only differences in translation. Unless you have something memorized, you can't really tell the difference.

As far as the extra books, they are in the Old Testament (a name I don't really care for BTW).

[Tom Joad]

For the books included in both, there are only differences in translation. Unless you have something memorized, you can't really tell the difference.

As far as the extra books, they are in the Old Testament (a name I don't really care for BTW).

Maccabees is in the Protestant Bible?

[Tom Joad]

It was compiled by the Catholic Church from the many writings of the apostles as well as the Jewish Torah.

That is only the first five books of the "Old Testament." The rest is the Jewish Bible, known as The TaNaKH.

[Tom Joad]

The "praying to Mary" discussion caught my interest. I found this: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm. From what I read, Mary is the ultimate revered human.

[Tom Joad]

The "praying to Mary" discussion caught my interest. I found this: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm. From what I read, Mary is the ultimate revered human.

Whoops, I posted this in the wrong thread. Well, at least it's in the right forum! :D

[hannitykillspuppies]

Whoops, I posted this in the wrong thread. Well, at least it's in the right forum! :Di should clarify what i meant, catholics when praying to mary are asking mary to pray for them.

[Vegas]

Maccabees is in the Protestant Bible?

It's not, although it should be required reading for all Christians.

[Tom Joad]

It's not, although it should be required reading for all Christians.

I didn't think it was.

What did you mean by, "As far as the extra books, they are in the Old Testament (a name I don't really care for BTW)."

[Vegas]

I didn't think it was.

What did you mean by, "As far as the extra books, they are in the Old Testament (a name I don't really care for BTW)."

The extra books in the Catholic Bible are in the Old Testament but not in the Protestant Old Testament. I don't care for the name "Old Testament" as it leads many to think of it as obsolete. Some of my favorite Bible books are Old Testament books.

[Tom Joad]

The extra books in the Catholic Bible are in the Old Testament but not in the Protestant Old Testament. I don't care for the name "Old Testament" as it leads many to think of it as obsolete. Some of my favorite Bible books are Old Testament books.

Yeah, I knew that, I thought you were implying they were all in both...which obviously you were not. I used to enjoy listening to my Catholic friends and my Protestant friends argue about "the true faith."

[ryr8828]

The extra books in the Catholic Bible are in the Old Testament but not in the Protestant Old Testament. I don't care for the name "Old Testament" as it leads many to think of it as obsolete. Some of my favorite Bible books are Old Testament books.

So,

you're saying the new doctrine is the same for Protestants and Catholics.

Actually you're not saying that, but the Bible does. Now I have to figure out where it says in the New Testament that we should bow down to man, or pray to others besides God, or ask anyone but the Son of God to ask God to grant our prayers.

[Tom Joad]

So,

you're saying the new doctrine is the same for Protestants and Catholics.

Actually you're not saying that, but the Bible does. Now I have to figure out where it says in the New Testament that we should bow down to man, or pray to others besides God, or ask anyone but the Son of God to ask God to grant our prayers.

Such is the split of the Church...

[swordfish]

So,

you're saying the new doctrine is the same for Protestants and Catholics.

Actually you're not saying that, but the Bible does. Now I have to figure out where it says in the New Testament that we should bow down to man, or pray to others besides God, or ask anyone but the Son of God to ask God to grant our prayers.

I'm trying to find it somewhere in the UN charter. Oh here is the prayer.

Dear Government
Protect me from harm
Feed my hungry children
Tell me what to think
Please Government
I know you listen for your microphones are many.
I know you see for your cameras are plenty.
Government I live for thee.

[hannitykillspuppies]

Yeah, I knew that, I thought you were implying they were all in both...which obviously you were not. I used to enjoy listening to my Catholic friends and my Protestant friends argue about "the true faith."you wanna see a real argument, go to northern ireland.

[Bang]

So,

you're saying the new doctrine is the same for Protestants and Catholics.

Actually you're not saying that, but the Bible does. Now I have to figure out where it says in the New Testament that we should bow down to man, or pray to others besides God, or ask anyone but the Son of God to ask God to grant our prayers.

Catholic also means universal. Most saint feast days are adaptations of local pagan festivals, recognized to assimilate those cultures into the church and make the church more vernacular. Literal interpretation of the bible is exclusionary and alienates people from the faith. Jesus never told anyone how to pray, or to whom to pray. That was an earlier covenant between God and people who didnt believe in Jesus.

[Hotpapa666]

I'll give a more worldly overview.

Neither Bible is more likely to yield truth, to yield compassionate followers, greater charity, further peace, etc... Neither is kess likely to be used to subjagate, mislead or be used as a vehicle to extort money.

In my "book" both Bibles are equally contemptable.

[Tom Joad]

I'll give a more worldly overview.

Neither Bible is more likely to yield truth, to yield compassionate followers, greater charity, further peace, etc... Neither is kess likely to be used to subjagate, mislead or be used as a vehicle to extort money.

In my "book" both Bibles are equally contemptable.

I thought that's what would happen with no taxes? Have I again been lead astray by Republican BS? Methinks so.

[Ed Who?]

I thought that's what would happen with no taxes? Have I again been lead astray by Republican BS? Methinks so.

Just for the record, when you're giving in the name of God, you aren't supposed to draw attention to yourself. Thus why you tend not to hear about it as much as when some rockstar or football player donates money to a charity.

[Ed Who?]

So,

you're saying the new doctrine is the same for Protestants and Catholics.

Actually you're not saying that, but the Bible does. Now I have to figure out where it says in the New Testament that we should bow down to man, or pray to others besides God, or ask anyone but the Son of God to ask God to grant our prayers.

Probably the same place it says that the man you bow to must determine how much money you give him before your sins are forgiven.

[rip]

Just for the record, when you're giving in the name of God, you aren't supposed to draw attention to yourself. Thus why you tend not to hear about it as much as when some rockstar or football player donates money to a charity.

Is giving to the church a tax write off? I don't know why I don't know this. I guess all my investor clients were atheists or something, or just greedy. IF it is, would that be considered a sin as you are technically making a big deal about it by drawing attention to yourself from the IRS?

[Vegas]

Is giving to the church a tax write off? I don't know why I don't know this. I guess all my investor clients were atheists or something, or just greedy. IF it is, would that be considered a sin as you are technically making a big deal about it by drawing attention to yourself from the IRS?

As long as the church is legitimate contributions are deductible.

[Tom Joad]

As long as the church is legitimate contributions are deductible.

I wonder if the IRS will credit my Spaghetti Monster tithings? :D

[rip]

I wonder if the IRS will credit my Spaghetti Monster tithings? :D

Do they consider Scientology a real religion? I suppose having celebrity spokemen would make it so.

[Tom Joad]

Do they consider Scientology a real religion? I suppose having celebrity spokemen would make it so.

Jedi and Klingon are real religions in other countries so the least we could do is taken Scientology.

[Vegas]

Do they consider Scientology a real religion? I suppose having celebrity spokemen would make it so.

They recently got tax exempt status.

[ryr8828]

Is giving to the church a tax write off? I don't know why I don't know this. I guess all my investor clients were atheists or something, or just greedy. IF it is, would that be considered a sin as you are technically making a big deal about it by drawing attention to yourself from the IRS?
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's.

If you didn't take the tax deduction Caesar would be getting too much. Hell, he gets too much anyway.

[Hotpapa666]

I wonder if the IRS will credit my Spaghetti Monster tithings? :D


That speghetti monster thing (that's from the Sistine Chapel right?) looks kinda like testicles outside of the scrot.....