So where's the 911 conspiracy thread? [Archive]

KinjaKahn

07-05-2007, 04:57 PM

Perhaps no one here is entertained by them? I think they are very entertaining regardless of which side you are on.

FEMA, I think its fantastic that the Feds were already in town, having got there, johnny on the spot, 9/10/2001.

Flight 93 is interesting. Channel 9 in Cleveland reported it landed in cleveland due to a bomb threat. Some of the video from that day is interesting.

First some fly over and commentary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc

Reports of landing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOeYozeTAu8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sueAQB3fjqo&mode=related&search=

witness... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPGL9XimWCs&mode=related&search=

Building 7 another interesting angle... Building 7 had the Emergency response command post for NYC. However Rudy Guiliani chose not to set up shop there, instead he went down the street to another location. There is audio of Rudy claiming he didnt go becasue the office was blown up. Yet instead of being blown up the 911 commission report claims on page 293

OEM Initial Response
By 8:48, officials in OEM headquarters on the 23rd floor of 7 WTC—just to
the north of the North Tower—began to activate the Emergency Operations
Center by calling such agencies as the FDNY,NYPD, Department of Health,
and the Greater Hospital Association and instructing them to send their designated representatives to the OEM. In addition, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) was called and asked to send at least five federal
Urban Search and Rescue Teams (such teams are located throughout the
United States). At approximately 8:50, a senior representative from the OEM
arrived in the lobby of the North Tower and began to act as the OEM field
responder to the incident. He soon was joined by several other OEM officials,
including the OEM Director.78
Rudy is on tape saying he didnt go to the OEM because it was destroyed. I am trying to find that clip... but it does bring to mind the Idea of what started the fire in building 7, was it burning debris from the Plane impact in the morning, which would support Rudy, or was it burning debris from a collapsing tower which would make Rudy a liar. The official story that Building 7 just burned down is tough to accept. when looking at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPZmPfsffz0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

http://guardian.150m.com/wtc/wtc7-fires-close.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7firesnorthface.jpg (too many pics for post.)

http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7fireseastface.jpg (too many pics for post.)

With this type of damage this building should have just tipped over. Not collapse symmetrically into its own footprint. If there were control over this collapse, then it would have to be planned prior to Sept. 11.
http://www.debunking911.com/wtc7swd.jpg

Also Rudy was warned of collapse in advance of the event and it looks like he didn't warn the firemen inside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4&mode=related&search=

Demolition expert in Italy has problems with building 7. This has BBC reporting Live the Building 7 collapse before it happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0

BBC report Building 7 (aka Salomon Brothers Building) collapses prior to its collapse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NefExHDu3s

Sen. John Kerry (D Mass.), same one who ran for President, said that the danger posed by a weakening wall in building 7 moved the people in charge to bring the building down safely under control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnaogsm60A&mode=related&search=

The Pentagon... little hole giant plane... interesting. Wild aerial maneuver to slam plane into the building. Military was left standing around with their thumbs in their asses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS2rlAoKiy4

I find it interesting that the pentagon cleanup did not find the giant titanium and steel engines out. Some say the engines were vaporized, you know titanium melting then boiling off into a gaseous form. A tad far fetched, given the fuel supply and conditions.

The Twin Towers... well what can ya say 2 planes hit two buildings. Were the planes sufficient to collapse them in like an hour? How hot did it really get?
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/woman_wtc.jpg

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/woman_in_blackhole.jpg

This poor woman doesn't seem to be bothered by the 2000 degree heat required to melt the buildings structure. Fire burning the building would not burn symmetrically and cause a symmetrical collapse. The building had to "melt" in odd patterns. The collapse should have been more like the top of the buildings falling off the side of the tower as that is the path of least resistance. There is video supporting the idea that the building began a collapse on one side and the moving mass fell towards the edge of the building, off center, and removing weight from one side. Watch this video closely. The top of the building should have fallen off leaving the bottom 70+ floors standing. The top half moved off center as gravity sought the path of least resistance. The only was to stop that building from going off the side is to remove the resistance or counter the movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOsQpJ1DzsQ&mode=related&search=

The 911 Commission Report.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7JutRGsqf8&mode=related&search=

You can read the 911 Commission report here:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

I don't know what happened that day. All this crap just makes more questions than the 911 Report can answer. Watch all the videos look at the pics... read the 911 report...

Vegas

07-05-2007, 05:25 PM

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

hannitykillspuppies

07-05-2007, 05:36 PM

too many people would have had to be involved for that to be orchestrated by the government. so many people, that it would be impossible that someone would not have spilled the beans already.

KinjaKahn

07-05-2007, 06:09 PM

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

What are you a robot, post PM article if confronted with 911. What I put here PM doesn't address other than Pentagon big plane small hole.. and PM asserts there is a wing sheared off and laying on the ground, yet the offer nothing to back that up.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/pentagonairview.jpg

Wheres the mark from the wing that hit the ground? Wheres the wing that was sheared off?

Vegas

07-05-2007, 06:15 PM

What are you a robot, post PM article if confronted with 911. What I put here PM doesn't address other than Pentagon big plane small hole.. and PM asserts there is a wing sheared off and laying on the ground, yet the offer nothing to back that up.

http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/pentagonairview.jpg

Wheres the mark from the wing that hit the ground? Wheres the wing that was sheared off?

Did you read all of the pages? They addressed a lot more than just the Pentagon thing.

After the article came out, they did a book that blew away the conspiracy theories even more. I read the book and it was very well done.

Vegas

07-05-2007, 06:21 PM

Link to the book:

http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Myths-Conspiracy-Theories/dp/158816635X/ref=sr_1_1/105-1615867-8259605?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183674051&sr=1-1

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FRNBJMW9L._AA240_.jpg

KinjaKahn

07-05-2007, 06:39 PM

Did you read all of the pages? They addressed a lot more than just the Pentagon thing.

After the article came out, they did a book that blew away the conspiracy theories even more. I read the book and it was very well done.

Wheres the sheared off wing and the mark where one wing hit the ground? Simple questions. This photo is from before the collapse of the pentagon roof. Not much time to remove the wing and repair the lawn.
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/pentagonairview.jpg

I specifically posted things not in the Popular Mechanics "debunking". All I am saying is watch the videos posted. You obviously haven't. I am curious to know what would possess you to "read the book" in the first place. To simply be a robot and post that link, leads me to believe you payed no attention to this post as it was laid out. How many witnesses took part in PM's investigation? I would guess NONE, thus leaving the investigation to only determine the plausibility of the "official position".

Official position claims this building burned down.
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc7.gif

Vegas

07-05-2007, 06:47 PM

Wheres the sheared off wing and the mark where one wing hit the ground? Simple questions. This photo is from before the collapse of the pentagon roof. Not much time to remove the wing and repair the lawn.
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/pentagonairview.jpg

I specifically posted things not in the Popular Mechanics "debunking". All I am saying is watch the videos posted. You obviously haven't. I am curious to know what would possess you to "read the book" in the first place. To simply be a robot and post that link, leads me to believe you payed no attention to this post as it was laid out. How many witnesses took part in PM's investigation? I would guess NONE, thus leaving the investigation to only determine the plausibility of the "official position".

Official position claims this building burned down.
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc7.gif

I'm still at work and I can't exactly watch the videos here. I'll watch later.

I read the book because I work with a couple of complete nut cases who listen to Alex Jones and believe the conspiracy nonsense.

KinjaKahn

07-05-2007, 06:47 PM

too many people would have had to be involved for that to be orchestrated by the government. so many people, that it would be impossible that someone would not have spilled the beans already.
How many people kept the F117 secret? How many kept Iran/Contra secret? How many kept the US/British involvement in the assassination of Iranian President Mohammad Mosaddeq a secret?

hannitykillspuppies

07-05-2007, 08:52 PM

How many people kept the F117 secret? How many kept Iran/Contra secret? How many kept the US/British involvement in the assassination of Iranian President Mohammad Mosaddeq a secret?you bring up things that combined don't even begin to scratch the surface of the scope of what happened on 9/11.

LSU

07-05-2007, 09:08 PM

you bring up things that combined don't even begin to scratch the surface of the scope of what happened on 9/11.

Not to mention that since the topics are being discussed here, the secrets weren't kept all that well.

Jiddy78

07-06-2007, 09:43 AM

The Building 7 thing interests me....But IIRC, didn't the two towers fall straight down as well?

Forgive me if I'm not an architectural guru.

KinjaKahn

07-06-2007, 10:02 AM

you bring up things that combined don't even begin to scratch the surface of the scope of what happened on 9/11.

ROFL. The "scope" of 9/11... beautiful. Everyday in the USA a tragedy greater than the "scope" of 9/11 happens in the abortion clinics around the country... EVERYDAY in America over 3000 children are slaughtered in the womb in the name of irresponsibility, greed, and whoredom. Since 9/11 over 5 million American defenseless children have been butchered by, and within, their mothers.

Every year four 9/11's occur on our roads due to drunk driving. Where's the threat level meter for that? You are more likely to be killed by a drunk than a Muslim fundamentalist.

Meanwhile the feds, after 9/11, opened the checkbook real wide for the victims and told them to take the loot and shut up. Did they open the checkbook after Tim McVeigh's fireworks?

KinjaKahn

07-06-2007, 10:08 AM

Not to mention that since the topics are being discussed here, the secrets weren't kept all that well.

Had I given examples of things still kept secret, they would be dismissed as untrue, nonsense, or conspiracy theory.

Jiddy78

07-06-2007, 10:19 AM

ROFL. The "scope" of 9/11... beautiful. Everyday in the USA a tragedy greater than the "scope" of 9/11 happens in the abortion clinics around the country... EVERYDAY in America over 3000 children are slaughtered in the womb in the name of irresponsibility, greed, and whoredom. Since 9/11 over 5 million American defenseless children have been butchered by, and within, their mothers.

Every year four 9/11's occur on our roads due to drunk driving. Where's the threat level meter for that? You are more likely to be killed by a drunk than a Muslim fundamentalist.

Meanwhile the feds, after 9/11, opened the checkbook real wide for the victims and told them to take the loot and shut up. Did they open the checkbook after Tim McVeigh's fireworks?

Well...What do you think happened in 9-11? Do you believe most of what you posted? How much was a setup? How much was not?

I'm really not interested in comparing these type of events to abortion or drunk driving....I don't feel that they are anything similar, so it would seem futile to bother.

Jiddy78

07-06-2007, 10:21 AM

Had I given examples of things still kept secret, they would be dismissed as untrue, nonsense, or conspiracy theory.

That happens sometimes ya know....Why cry about it? Does it compromise your own beliefs? I highly doubt it....as zealous as they are portrayed through your posting.

LSU

07-06-2007, 10:51 AM

Had I given examples of things still kept secret, they would be dismissed as untrue, nonsense, or conspiracy theory.

In my opinion, the non-secret you gave already is an example of what is untrue, nonsense, or conspiracy theory.

Step back and watch do the robot now.

And fetuses aren't people.

hannitykillspuppies

07-06-2007, 10:58 AM

ROFL. The "scope" of 9/11... beautiful. Everyday in the USA a tragedy greater than the "scope" of 9/11 happens in the abortion clinics around the country... EVERYDAY in America over 3000 children are slaughtered in the womb in the name of irresponsibility, greed, and whoredom. Since 9/11 over 5 million American defenseless children have been butchered by, and within, their mothers.

Every year four 9/11's occur on our roads due to drunk driving. Where's the threat level meter for that? You are more likely to be killed by a drunk than a Muslim fundamentalist.

Meanwhile the feds, after 9/11, opened the checkbook real wide for the victims and told them to take the loot and shut up. Did they open the checkbook after Tim McVeigh's fireworks?you're an absolute moron.

none of the things you just compared to 9/11 are even remotely close to an attack on this country. none of the things you compared to 9/11 shut down the financial capital of the world. none of the things you compared to 9/11 crippled an entire industry. none of the things you compared to 9/11 have lead us to war overseas.

Jiddy78

07-06-2007, 11:00 AM

In my opinion, the non-secret you gave already is an example of what is untrue, nonsense, or conspiracy theory.

Step back and watch do the robot now.

And fetuses aren't people.

I adhere to a strict "Will the bank give them a loan" measure to determine the beginning of life.

Fetuses have fantastic credit IMO.

LSU

07-06-2007, 11:01 AM

I adhere to a strict "Will the bank give them a loan" measure to determine the beginning of life.

Fetuses have fantastic credit IMO.

Depends on what kind of loan.

Anything where they're trying to gouge you in the APR, the bank may not actually consider you a human.

Jiddy78

07-06-2007, 11:01 AM

you're an absolute moron.

none of the things you just compared to 9/11 are even remotely close to an attack on this country. none of the things you compared to 9/11 shut down the financial capital of the world. none of the things you compared to 9/11 crippled an entire industry. none of the things you compared to 9/11 have lead us to war overseas.

Morons? Robots?

What's with you people?

This is just what the terrorists wanted.

They win.

Now that we've declared a winner, let's all go get some blizzards together at DQ.

KinjaKahn

07-06-2007, 11:03 AM

Well...What do you think happened in 9-11?
I think 2 planes hit two towers. I never saw a plane hit the pentagon. It seems odd to me that the pentagon has no security cameras that captured an incoming plane on tape. I never saw a plane smashed on the ground in Pennsylvania. Theres a documentary out called loose change that deals with a ton of things about 9/11, but it goes totally off the deep end making every aspect into a dastardly plot. Its overwhelming and seemingly hysterical about 9/11 and kinda a turn off.
Do you believe most of what you posted?
I would say its not what I believe, it's more what I don't believe. I don't believe the government position. I cant believe that the feds haven't nailed any of the incompetent dolts in NORAD, the FAA, or the Military to a cross. I don't believe Building 7 burned out of control and fell symmetrically.
How much was a setup? How much was not?
All I have is guesses. Maybe the Feds are telling as much of the truth as they can. That still leaves the truth they can't tell, which I want to know. All thats left in the mix, are these assertions and claims.
I'm really not interested in comparing these type of events to abortion or drunk driving....I don't feel that they are anything similar, so it would seem futile to bother.

Jiddy78

07-06-2007, 11:04 AM

Depends on what kind of loan.

Anything where they're trying to gouge you in the APR, the bank may not actually consider you a human.

I'll say this much (Don't know if you watched the videos he posted)...but they tickled my "interest" bone when they went on about how building 7 held a ton of fraudulent information regarding all the financial scamming that occurred around that time...

Although, personally, in today's day and age, why destroy damning evidence? You can blatantly lie, cheat and corrupt and laugh about it in public...so what's the need for destroying evidence?

LSU

07-06-2007, 11:06 AM

I'll say this much (Don't know if you watched the videos he posted)...but they tickled my "interest" bone when they went on about how building 7 held a ton of fraudulent information regarding all the financial scamming that occurred around that time...

Although, personally, in today's day and age, why destroy damning evidence? You can blatantly lie, cheat and corrupt and laugh about it in public...so what's the need for destroying evidence?

Oh, I'm sure there are very compelling arguments for a number of different scenarios.

And maybe some of those arguments are true.

KinjaKahn

07-06-2007, 11:07 AM

And fetuses aren't people.
You should have no problem slaughtering the gay fetus's.

LSU

07-06-2007, 11:10 AM

You should have no problem slaughtering the gay fetus's.

Slaughtering?

Buzz word.

As for the other half of that sentence...gay, straight, bi, whatever. Mother's decision. Not mine.

Jiddy78

07-06-2007, 11:12 AM

I think 2 planes hit two towers. I never saw a plane hit the pentagon. It seems odd to me that the pentagon has no security cameras that captured an incoming plane on tape. I never saw a plane smashed on the ground in Pennsylvania. Theres a documentary out called loose change that deals with a ton of things about 9/11, but it goes totally off the deep end making every aspect into a dastardly plot. Its overwhelming and seemingly hysterical about 9/11 and kinda a turn off.

I would say its not what I believe, it's more what I don't believe. I don't believe the government position. I cant believe that the feds haven't nailed any of the incompetent dolts in NORAD, the FAA, or the Military to a cross. I don't believe Building 7 burned out of control and fell symmetrically.

All I have is guesses. Maybe the Feds are telling as much of the truth as they can. That still leaves the truth they can't tell, which I want to know. All thats left in the mix, are these assertions and claims.

Well there's a good crux to start at....Seems kinda odd that there is no videotape of the pentagon crash, doesn't it? I mean...NOBODY? Seeing IS believing....

Was the other plane shot down? Man...I seriously doubt that based on the pitiful response time to the other planes....and it is probably safe to assume that most plane crashes occur with the pilot attempting some evasive maneuvers, thus the plane not careening full speed into the ground with intent...so the crash site may just be a tad "different" than most...

KinjaKahn

07-06-2007, 11:14 AM

you're an absolute moron.

none of the things you just compared to 9/11 are even remotely close to an attack on this country. none of the things you compared to 9/11 shut down the financial capital of the world. none of the things you compared to 9/11 crippled an entire industry. none of the things you compared to 9/11 have lead us to war overseas.
You all right man? Sound a little hysterical there, perhaps a valium or 10 will help. Get the fuck over it sissy, America survived.

hannitykillspuppies

07-06-2007, 11:17 AM

You all right man? Sound a little hysterical there, perhaps a valium or 10 will help. Get the fuck over it sissy, America survived.
you're, right. pearl harbor's happen all the time in america too. it was really no big deal.

Jiddy78

07-06-2007, 11:17 AM

You all right man? Sound a little hysterical there, perhaps a valium or 10 will help. Get the fuck over it sissy, America survived.

I was about to post something of this ilk towards your "slaughtering of gay fetuses" comment.

IBC

07-06-2007, 11:20 AM

I have always said we did not get the full story behind 911, but there is so much bullshit out there you cannot possibly sift through it. One is the missle into the Pentagon BS. Another is the explosives in the towers. Now, building 7 is intriguing. Another intriguing issue is why GWB stonewalled the investigation for so long. He opposed an investigation into what happened. Why? So that the idiots that think there is any connection between Iraq and 911 could keep thinking that. They did. They planned that forever, and 911 gave them the excuse and fear they needed to do it.

LSU

07-06-2007, 11:22 AM

I was about to post something of this ilk towards your "slaughtering of gay fetuses" comment.

One man's humble opinion is another man's maniacal hysteria.

IBC

07-06-2007, 11:26 AM

Well there's a good crux to start at....Seems kinda odd that there is no videotape of the pentagon crash, doesn't it? I mean...NOBODY? Seeing IS believing....

Was the other plane shot down? Man...I seriously doubt that based on the pitiful response time to the other planes....and it is probably safe to assume that most plane crashes occur with the pilot attempting some evasive maneuvers, thus the plane not careening full speed into the ground with intent...so the crash site may just be a tad "different" than most...
Oh, they have a video, and if things got heated they would show it and then say, "why ask questions? Look at these nutjobs who are asking questions. They believed a missile hit the Pentagon." That doesn't help us solve what is the real crime, what they did with 9-11 and how they used it to push another thing altogether. I don't think we know who the real hijackers were. Why? Because they were probably ex foreign military. The conspiracy is not in what happened, but in how it was used to manipulate the American public.

KinjaKahn

07-06-2007, 11:35 AM

Then theres this video to throw a wrench in machine. 19 minutes long and really disturbing regarding Israel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LecYbWM5Oao

KinjaKahn

07-06-2007, 11:51 AM

They planned that forever, and 911 gave them the excuse and fear they needed to do it.
Who's they and what would they be doing without 9/11?

IBC

07-06-2007, 11:55 AM

Who's they and what would they be doing without 9/11?
They is pretty much this whole admin. PNAC. Project for a New American Century. Read up.

They would never have gotten their mideast war without 9/11. They got it. They wanted to blame it on Iraq, They did indirectly, and here we are.

KinjaKahn

07-06-2007, 12:02 PM

They is pretty much this whole admin. PNAC. Project for a New American Century. Read up.

They would never have gotten their mideast war without 9/11. They got it. They wanted to blame it on Iraq, They did indirectly, and here we are.
I already knew... I just didn't want to be the one to mention them. :) PNAC that is...

hannitykillspuppies

07-06-2007, 12:24 PM

I was about to post something of this ilk towards your "slaughtering of gay fetuses" comment.that's the kind of abortion we can all get behind.

swordfish

07-16-2007, 06:11 PM

http://www.razorclaw.com/mk-ultra/Humor/goering.jpg

LSU

07-16-2007, 06:32 PM

http://www.razorclaw.com/mk-ultra/Humor/goering.jpg

Where have I heard that argument before?

IBC

07-17-2007, 10:15 AM

http://www.razorclaw.com/mk-ultra/Humor/goering.jpg

I thought you were a loyal righty?

Jiddy78

07-17-2007, 10:46 AM

http://www.razorclaw.com/mk-ultra/Humor/goering.jpg

"Do me a favor and go shoot that towelhead, will ya buddy? I've gotta get my daughter to her Sweet Sixteen party...Got her a new Beemer...Midnight blue...Real fancy...Real nice."

I can see the appeal.

Peter for President

02-12-2010, 02:49 PM

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/woman_wtc.jpg

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/woman_in_blackhole.jpg

This poor woman doesn't seem to be bothered by the 2000 degree heat required to melt the buildings structure. Fire burning the building would not burn symmetrically and cause a symmetrical collapse. The building had to "melt" in odd patterns. The collapse should have been more like the top of the buildings falling off the side of the tower as that is the path of least resistance. There is video supporting the idea that the building began a collapse on one side and the moving mass fell towards the edge of the building, off center, and removing weight from one side. Watch this video closely. The top of the building should have fallen off leaving the bottom 70+ floors standing. The top half moved off center as gravity sought the path of least resistance. The only was to stop that building from going off the side is to remove the resistance or counter the movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOsQpJ1DzsQ&mode=related&search=

That doesn't really look like a person standing there. It looks like metal from the building.

hannitykillspuppies

02-12-2010, 02:51 PM

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/woman_wtc.jpg

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/woman_in_blackhole.jpg

This poor woman doesn't seem to be bothered by the 2000 degree heat required to melt the buildings structure. Fire burning the building would not burn symmetrically and cause a symmetrical collapse. The building had to "melt" in odd patterns. The collapse should have been more like the top of the buildings falling off the side of the tower as that is the path of least resistance. There is video supporting the idea that the building began a collapse on one side and the moving mass fell towards the edge of the building, off center, and removing weight from one side. Watch this video closely. The top of the building should have fallen off leaving the bottom 70+ floors standing. The top half moved off center as gravity sought the path of least resistance. The only was to stop that building from going off the side is to remove the resistance or counter the movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOsQpJ1DzsQ&mode=related&search=

The 911 Commission Report.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7JutRGsqf8&mode=related&search=

You can read the 911 Commission report here:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

I don't know what happened that day. All this crap just makes more questions than the 911 Report can answer. Watch all the videos look at the pics... read the 911 report...
That doesn't really look like a person standing there. It looks like metal from the building.[/QUOTE]no, it's a person. i mean look how clear that picture is. so clear that you can easily distinguish that it is a female.

KinjaKahn

02-12-2010, 03:02 PM

That doesn't really look like a person standing there. It looks like metal from the building.no, it's a person. i mean look how clear that picture is. so clear that you can easily distinguish that it is a female.
Could be either...

becherr

02-12-2010, 03:09 PM

Weren't the building supports set up to push in on themselves?

KinjaKahn

02-12-2010, 03:42 PM

Weren't the building supports set up to push in on themselves?

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk43/SPrestonUSA/SPUSA/wtcConstruction_crop.jpg

domenick2x

02-13-2010, 08:52 PM

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/woman_wtc.jpg

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/woman_in_blackhole.jpg

This poor woman doesn't seem to be bothered by the 2000 degree heat required to melt the buildings structure. Fire burning the building would not burn symmetrically and cause a symmetrical collapse. The building had to "melt" in odd patterns. The collapse should have been more like the top of the buildings falling off the side of the tower as that is the path of least resistance. There is video supporting the idea that the building began a collapse on one side and the moving mass fell towards the edge of the building, off center, and removing weight from one side. Watch this video closely. The top of the building should have fallen off leaving the bottom 70+ floors standing. The top half moved off center as gravity sought the path of least resistance. The only was to stop that building from going off the side is to remove the resistance or counter the movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOsQpJ1DzsQ&mode=related&search=

That doesn't really look like a person standing there. It looks like metal from the building.

Someone needs to understand that a) buildings are not trees, and b) gravity only seeks one path - straight down.

KinjaKahn

02-13-2010, 11:12 PM

Someone needs to understand that a) buildings are not trees, and b) gravity only seeks one path - straight down.
LOL... Gravity, hill, Bowling ball... I guess in your world the bowling ball cannot roll down hill... it must travel through the hill or remain in place without the necessary energy to push through the hill.

LionFanFormerlyInLA

02-14-2010, 01:42 AM

The biggest issue I have with the conspiracy theories I've heard in regards to 911 is that you can't get around that two planes hit the towers. There is independent video tape of that. That required two pilots willing to die. I don't think you would find anyone in the US that would say, sure, I'll die so you can build up a military complex or push for your political agenda.

domenick2x

02-14-2010, 06:44 AM

LOL... Gravity, hill, Bowling ball... I guess in your world the bowling ball cannot roll down hill... it must travel through the hill or remain in place without the necessary energy to push through the hill.
Try out the laws of mechanics. They cover this pretty well.

http://www.askiitians.com/iit-jee-2009-solutions/images/paper1/inclined%20plane.jpg

KinjaKahn

02-16-2010, 12:30 PM

Try out the laws of mechanics. They cover this pretty well.

http://www.askiitians.com/iit-jee-2009-solutions/images/paper1/inclined%20plane.jpg
ummmm... how about you try this one in particular Conservation of Angular Momentum.

Jiddy78

02-16-2010, 12:33 PM

ummmm... how about you try this one in particular Conservation of Angular Momentum.

So yeah...Is the broad real? Or is it a magic photoshop trick?

Jiddy78

02-16-2010, 12:36 PM

ummmm... how about you try this one in particular Conservation of Angular Momentum.

And, in regards to all this geometric physilogical building and hill falling...Yer implying (IE: You believe) that explosives were in the building to help reduce collateral damage from a fall?

IE: A bunch of people want to blow up our financial center....but ya know, only the direct area below it....well, except for this building over here (The other one I have seen you imply was blown up intentionally via video link)....We'll blow that one up too in controlled fashion....Keep the rest intact...because, you know, when we blow up sh*t...Let's be tidy about it.

???

Peter for President

02-16-2010, 12:36 PM

So yeah...Is the broad real? Or is it a magic photoshop trick?
Photoshop trick? If that is a photoshop trick then it is one of the worst. That does not in any way look like a person. Look below and to the left of the supposed person. There is some metal there that is the same color as the supposed face.

KinjaKahn

02-16-2010, 06:26 PM

the cool part of the randomly twisted metal coincidence is the pant leg hems.

Jiddy78

02-16-2010, 06:29 PM

the cool part of the randomly twisted metal coincidence is the pant leg hems.

So the broad is real?

You didn't answer why people who blow up buildings would want it neat any tidy anywho...Much less the exceptionally increased risk of getting caught by planting devices.

Peter for President

02-16-2010, 06:31 PM

the cool part of the randomly twisted metal coincidence is the pant leg hems.
That looked completely different to me before. That is really weird. It doesn't mean it isn't photoshopped, but I take back those comments. I was looking at it at a completely different perspective I guess.

domenick2x

02-16-2010, 08:08 PM

ummmm... how about you try this one in particular Conservation of Angular Momentum.
I can certainly run some rough equations if you want, but I'm pretty confident that the laws of physics are on my side here.

domenick2x

02-22-2010, 08:22 PM

WTC collapse doesn't flow like an implosion.

Check the 9/11 video:

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vs some of the implosion videos here:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion.htm

Major focus on the professional demolitions - start at the bottom supports, with (in some cases) mid and upper-level breakages as well. 9/11 doesn't follow that pattern in the slightest.

KinjaKahn

02-22-2010, 09:45 PM

domenick2x

02-23-2010, 05:26 AM

Peter for President

02-23-2010, 09:58 AM

Looks like they failed to blow out all the supports.

I don't see your point.
I think his point should be that the destruction crew sucked and the company who built the building should be proud of themselves for the integrity of the structure. It can frickin roll over and be just fine.

Jiddy78

02-23-2010, 11:07 AM

KinjaKahn

02-23-2010, 01:03 PM

How does that apply to the World Trade Center, which was hit in the upper section? I'm failing to make the connection.

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VTy3RYDj0lk&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VTy3RYDj0lk&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/hnErk2r6kmU&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/hnErk2r6kmU&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

I don't know how they could be related... any ideas?

Jiddy78

02-23-2010, 02:52 PM

domenick2x

02-23-2010, 08:06 PM

Vegas

02-23-2010, 08:13 PM

I absolutely agree that WTC 7 looks like an engineered demolition.

If it looks like an engineered demolition, does that mean it was an engineered demolition?

domenick2x

02-24-2010, 06:15 AM

If it looks like an engineered demolition, does that mean it was an engineered demolition?
No, and I don't know why you'd ask that question. There could be a number of reasons why it fell like that.

KinjaKahn

03-18-2010, 06:37 PM

1129 Verified Architects and Engineers In the US, not counting unverified and foreign Architects & Engineers, signed a petition to open a real impartial investigation into the 9/11 collapses... many list their reasons... the least of which are to prevent a similar collapse in the future. Most do not buy into the fire.... Many have masters degrees... some are professors...

TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND
OF THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Please Take Notice That:
On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

Vegas

03-18-2010, 06:57 PM

1129 Verified Architects and Engineers In the US, not counting unverified and foreign Architects & Engineers, signed a petition to open a real impartial investigation into the 9/11 collapses... many list their reasons... the least of which are to prevent a similar collapse in the future. Most do not buy into the fire.... Many have masters degrees... some are professors...

TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND
OF THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Please Take Notice That:
On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

G8yfNLSp_Pw

Jiddy78

03-18-2010, 06:57 PM

1129 Verified Architects and Engineers In the US, not counting unverified and foreign Architects & Engineers, signed a petition to open a real impartial investigation into the 9/11 collapses... many list their reasons... the least of which are to prevent a similar collapse in the future. Most do not buy into the fire.... Many have masters degrees... some are professors...

TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND
OF THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

Please Take Notice That:
On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

Gimme a name and location...Preferably something humorous...Like Joseph Ryrrington from Oregon...Let's see how quickly I go up there and how I stay up there after signing.

KinjaKahn

03-18-2010, 07:06 PM

Gimme a name and location...Preferably something humorous...Like Joseph Ryrrington from Oregon...Let's see how quickly I go up there and how I stay up there after signing.
Try Rudolph R. Reindeer

KinjaKahn

03-18-2010, 07:08 PM

G8yfNLSp_Pw

That video is fighting things that are not being claimed.

Vegas

03-18-2010, 07:11 PM

That video is fighting things that are not being claimed.

So what specifically are they claiming that's not covered by the video? The same old claims that have been debunked by many scientists and engineers?

KinjaKahn

03-18-2010, 07:21 PM

So what specifically are they claiming that's not covered by the video? The same old claims that have been debunked by many scientists and engineers?
Names of scientists and engineers who debunked? Something more accurate than... The Editors... like on this page you put forth...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

Vegas

03-18-2010, 07:25 PM

Names of scientists and engineers who debunked? Something more accurate than... The Editors... like on this page you put forth...

So you come back with the lawyer tactic....don't like the facts you hear so you attack the source of the facts. They did a very thoroughly documented, foot-noted book version of that report. You should read it.

http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Myths-Conspiracy-Theories/dp/158816635X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268954718&sr=8-1

hannitykillspuppies

03-18-2010, 09:53 PM

for some who claims not to be a truther...

KinjaKahn

03-18-2010, 10:03 PM

So you come back with the lawyer tactic....don't like the facts you hear so you attack the source of the facts. They did a very thoroughly documented, foot-noted book version of that report. You should read it.

http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Myths-Conspiracy-Theories/dp/158816635X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268954718&sr=8-1

We know who the Editors of the book are... I just want to see the credentials of the Authors. 1129 Architects and Engineers put their names/careers on the line... The editors of the book aren't qualified... the editor in chief of Popular Mechanics was at Entertainment Weekly prior to Popular Mechanics... Popular Mechanics is Owned by the Hearst Corp.

Vegas

03-18-2010, 10:21 PM

We know who the Editors of the book are... I just want to see the credentials of the Authors. 1129 Architects and Engineers put their names/careers on the line... The editors of the book aren't qualified... the editor in chief of Popular Mechanics was at Entertainment Weekly prior to Popular Mechanics... Popular Mechanics is Owned by the Hearst Corp.

Are you interested in the credentials of the 1129?

KinjaKahn

03-18-2010, 11:01 PM

Are you interested in the credentials of the 1129?
Richard Gage, AIA, Architect
Lic: C19220 CA
B. Arch.
Berkeley, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999979)

Scott Page, M. Arch / Designer
Berkeley, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999959)

Daniel B. Barnum, FAIA
Lic: TX3741
BArch, Rice University
Houston, TX (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999974)

Adam J. Caulfield, Intern Architect
Bachelor in Architectural Technology
Rochester, NY (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=996165)

David Paul Helpern, FAIA
Lic: NY 03 010070
Ny, NY (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999972)

Alan S. Glassman, M. Arch., Associate AIA, CSI, SA, Architectural Re
B.Arch., USC; M.Arch, UC Berkeley
Lancaster, PA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999696)

Kevin A. Kelly, FAIA
Lic: Tx-7724
Austin, TX (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999970)

Andrea Walhof-Grisham, Designer
B.S. Architecture
Truckee, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999162)

Paul Stevenson Oles, FAIA
Lic: MASSACHUSETTS 2754
MArch, Architecture, Yale
Santa Fe, NM (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999968)

Andres Rozo, Architectural Consultant
Architecture
Miami, FL (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=988817)

Abby Goodman, VP
Lic: ARC4744
BS Psychology
Washington, DC (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=989352)

Andrew McClure
B.Arch. VPI & SU
Raleigh, NC (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999277)

Alan Haymond, Architect
Lic: 025143
B Arch., Rensselaer Polytechnic
Greenwich, NY (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999191)

Arman Chowdhury, architectural staff
Ms . Arch UPenn B.arch BUET
Philadelphia, PA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=984134)

Alan D. Kato, Architect
Lic: 001-010128
Bachelor of Science
Morton Grove, IL (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=988899)

Azin Valy, Partner
architecture
New York, NY (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=995574)

Alan Shulman, Architect
Lic: 1165 NH
B. of Architecture
New London, NH (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=985267)

Brian Heagney, M. Arch., Architectural Services Provider
M. Arch., Pratt Institute
Greensboro, NC (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=993189)

Alan Tyson Zorthian, Architect
Lic: C22838
B.A.
Altadena, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=996618)

Brian McAlexander, Architectural Professional
B. Arch.
Cincinnati, OH (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=990778)

Alice F. Dodson, AIA
Lic: NC 6304
Asheville, NC (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=989795)

Bryan Evan Westgate, M. Arch
M.A.,The Ohio State University
Cleveland, OH (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=996103)

Allen Kitselman, Architect
Lic: 6642
BA Arch
Berryville, VA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=985204)

Chad Jones, B. Arch.
B.S. Science (Major in Arch.), WUSTL
St. Petersburg, FL (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=998744)

Andrew Wolff, Architect, AIA,LEED
Lic: 30395 CA
M Arch, Yale University
Los Angeles, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=989885)

Chris Jung
B. Arch.
Berkeley, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999919)

Andus H. Brandt, Architect
Lic: Cal. Architect's license C27998
B.A. Architecture
Berkeley, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=998768)

Christopher I. Wright, Architectural Consultant
B.S. , B. Arch.
Ben Lomond, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=996146)

Anne Lee, AIA
Lic: AR-10177 MA
M.Arch
Boston, MA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=995707)

Cordelia Fox Waelle, B. Arch. SIA
Bachelor of Architecture
Arlesheim, Baselland – Switzerland (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=989087)

April Wethe Palencia, Aia, Architect
Lic: C31675
Bach of Architecture, Univ. of Miami
Santa Barbara, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=990843)

Daniel E. Barrett, B. Arch. Designer/Project Manager
B.A., University of Florida
Winter Park, FL (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=985470)

Arlene Hopkins, Architect & Educator
Lic: California (28239) & Nevada (2267)
M.Arch & M.A. Education
Santa Monica, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=993081)

Daniel E. Fairchild, Architectural Consultant
B.A.
Spokane, WA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=995677)

Barry Koren, Architect
Lic: 3281-005 WI
B.Arch, City College of NY.
Oak Park, IL (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=991941)

Dave Kunz
B. Architecture, University of Texas
Austin,, TX (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=991224)

Bassam Altwal, V.P. Architecture
Lic: 1576A2 (overseas)
Masters in Architecture
Concord, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=988830)

David A. Johnson, Dr., FAICP, Ph.D.
BA (Arch) & MCP, Yale; PhD, Cornell
Asheville, NC (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=998881)

Bertie McKinney Bonner, AIA
Lic: RA009013X
M. Arch
Media, PA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=992202)

Donald Koberg, Retired Architect, Professor Emeritus
M. Arch
San Luis Obispo, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=992977)

Björn Gunnar Sveninge, Mecanical engineer
Elinge 194, Uppland – Sweden (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=996871)

Dylan Lamar, Architecture Student, Engineering Intern
BSCE, Univ of Arkansas
Eugene, OR (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=995792)

Brandon M. Chouinard, Architect
Lic: A5550 OK
B. Arch, U. of Oklahoma
Oklahoma City, OK (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=991215)

Edward Anastas, Designer
B. Arch, Ms AUD
Santa Monica, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=997109)

Bruce B. Maxwell, Architect
Lic: C27715
M.Arch.
Santa Rosa, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=998484)

Edward Tsimerman
Master of Architecture
St. Louis, MO (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=996504)

Bryan Evan Westgate, Architect
Lic: arc.0914988
Master Of Architecture
Cleveland, OH (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=985628)

Elwin Wong
B. Arch - Cal Berkeley
Oakland, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999943)

C Matthew Taylor, Architect
Lic: South Carolina Architect's License #AR .4827 I, ex
B.A. Architecture, U. of Cincinnati
Hilton Head Island, SC (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999106)

Esat Farman, Architectural Consultant (Dipl. Ing.)
B.A. Engineering, FH Hamburg, Germany
Aliso Viejo, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=986909)

C. Michael Henry, Sr., President
B. Arch.
Newport News, VA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=985203)

Estevan Trujillo, principal - B Arch
B Arch
Santa Fe, NM (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=984322)

Cary J. Spiegel, AIA
Lic: NY 03022495, NJ 21AI01239900
B. Arch, City College, NY
Plainfield, NJ (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=990738)

Francisco A. Planes, Architectural Consultant, Assoc., A.I.A.
B.S. Architecture, CCNY-CUNY
Bloomfield, NJ (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999305)

Charles W. Ekstedt Sr., B. Arch.
Lic: MN #: 19398
B. Arch., U of Minnesota
Saint Paul, MN (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=983841)

Gary J. Neville, Architectural Professional, Urban Designer
BS. Arhitecture, RPI
Venice, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=991113)

Charles Ralph Traylor, Architect
Lic: Texas 4179 also NCARB certificate 21435
B Arch Texas Tech
Dallas, TX (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=995735)

Gene Brault, Contractor/Industrial Designer
Lic: California State B1 General Contractor
Bachelor of Science, Industrial Design
Los Angeles, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=992654)

Christian Mungenast, AIA, Architect
Lic: Massachusetts Architect's License #8856, exp. 8/08
Arlington, MA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999885)

George E. Eddins, Iii, George Eddins Associates - Architectural Consultan
B. Arch. UNC-CHARLOTTE - AA DEGREE CPCC
Charlotte, NC (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=991058)

Christopher C. Allen, AIA
Lic: 1301037464
Ann Arbor, MI (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=989563)

German Serrano, Architrect
B.A architecture
Lafayette, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=995400)

Christopher Free, Architect
Lic: 56914 MI
M. Arch., Architecture, U.of Illinois
Brighton, MI (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=984543)

Greg Demchak, Designer
M.Arch
Cambridge, MA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=996485)

Crystal Danielle Nanney, AIA
Lic: FL AR93662
B. Arch, University of Detroit Mercy
Savannah, GA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=991222)

Guillermo Rodriguez
Master of Architecture
Miami, FL (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=992233)

Cynthia Howard, AIA
Lic: MArch MIT, 1243 ME, 4486 MA
Biddeford Pool, ME (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=991381)

Henri Tso
B. Arch.
Walnut Creek, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999942)

Dale R. Port, Architect
Lic: Lic. # 1760 State of Iowa
Waterloo, IA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=990959)

Ian J. Colburn, B. Arch.
B. Arch., Virginia Tech.
New York, NY (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999167)

Dale Williams, Landscape Architect
Lic: 2384 CA
MS in Land Arch, Univ of Arizona
Cameron Park, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=982986)

Imran Qamar
architecture
Concord, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=988831)

Dan Bartlett, AIA
Lic: New Hampshire Architect's license 2919
B. Arch
Keene, NH (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=997255)

James W. Broadbent, Project Manager / Designer
M.Arch., U. of Oregon
Jackson, WY (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999006)

Daniel R. Hirtler, architect
Lic: 023012-NY
B.Arch.
Ithaca, NY (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=988890) Jan Leits, B. Arch.
Berkeley, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999921)

Daniel La Pan, Executive Director, Facility Services
Lic: Michigan License #1301034243
BS, M Arch
Saginaw, MI (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=990962)

Jason W. Pratt, S.M.E., Architectural Consultant
B.S. Architecture, Univ Texas San Antoni
Austin, TX (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=990876)

Daniel Roach, B.Arch, AIA
Lic: OR 3978
B.Arch Drury University
Salem, OR (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=989363)

Jason Wilkinson, B. Arch., LEED AP
B. Arch., University of Oregon
Berkeley, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=996966)

Daniel Saari, Architect
Lic: Arizona Architect's license 35466
Master of Architecture
Phoenix, AZ (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=998350)

Jeffrey Tam
B. Arch
Oakland, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=999946)

Dartmond Cherk, Architect
Lic: C3743
B.A., Architecture, UC Berkeley
Mill Valley, CA (http://www.ae911truth.org/profile.php?uid=991937)

Jim Holcomb, B. Arch
Architecture - Univ of KY
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Dave E. Arnoth, NCARB
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KinjaKahn

03-18-2010, 11:04 PM

Alot more where this came from... I didnt get to the engineers... or non verifieds...

KinjaKahn

03-18-2010, 11:07 PM

An example...
David Helpern’s degrees are a B.A. from Brown University and a Master of Architecture from Harvard University’s Graduate School of Design. In 1993, he was named a Fellow of the American Institute of Architects.

David Helpern founded Helpern Architects in 1971 to create leading-edge designs and plans for educational institutions at all levels, from elementary schools to universities, to adult and continuing education. Over the years, his practice grew to include a long list of prominent cultural and faith-based organizations, as well

The speed and symmetry of the collapses is not consistent with the damage. A new investigation is needed.as corporate and hospitality-industry clients.

Vegas

03-18-2010, 11:09 PM

An example...
David Helpern’s degrees are a B.A. from Brown University and a Master of Architecture from Harvard University’s Graduate School of Design. In 1993, he was named a Fellow of the American Institute of Architects.

David Helpern founded Helpern Architects in 1971 to create leading-edge designs and plans for educational institutions at all levels, from elementary schools to universities, to adult and continuing education. Over the years, his practice grew to include a long list of prominent cultural and faith-based organizations, as well

The speed and symmetry of the collapses is not consistent with the damage. A new investigation is needed.as corporate and hospitality-industry clients.

Are you an Alex Jones disciple?

KinjaKahn

03-18-2010, 11:24 PM

Are you an Alex Jones disciple?Aren't you the one saying something like if there was any real question about 9/11 the experts would be making noise or something to that affect... well 1129 are making noise. Mass media claims the case closed and will not report anything that doesn't tow the Govt. Position. WTC victims families paid off immediately. Pentagon wont release 84 videos of Pentagon and surrounding area surveillance tapes... seems they want you to believe that on 9/11 JC Pennies or a Mall Parking lot had more security cameras than the pentagon...

Vegas

03-18-2010, 11:31 PM

Aren't you the one saying something like if there was any real question about 9/11 the experts would be making noise or something to that affect... well 1129 are making noise. Mass media claims the case closed and will not report anything that doesn't tow the Govt. Position. WTC victims families paid off immediately. Pentagon wont release 84 videos of Pentagon and surrounding area surveillance tapes... seems they want you to believe that on 9/11 JC Pennies or a Mall Parking lot had more security cameras than the pentagon...

I take that as a yes, you are an Alex Jones disciple.

Anyway, what I've said previously is that the number of people required to pull off a deal like an inside job blowing up the WTC and Pentagon would be a large number, none of whom have spoken up and spilled the beans. That's impossible. Somebody would be singing by now if there was anything to the conspiracy theories. That's not the same thing as 1129 unconnected people saying there should be some level of investigation.

KinjaKahn

03-18-2010, 11:55 PM

I take that as a yes, you are an Alex Jones disciple.

Anyway, what I've said previously is that the number of people required to pull off a deal like an inside job blowing up the WTC and Pentagon would be a large number, none of whom have spoken up and spilled the beans. That's impossible. Somebody would be singing by now if there was anything to the conspiracy theories. That's not the same thing as 1129 unconnected people saying there should be some level of investigation.
So why do you oppose an investigation? The old "Govt. said it, believe it, and that settles it" stance?

Vegas

03-19-2010, 12:18 AM

So why do you oppose an investigation? The old "Govt. said it, believe it, and that settles it" stance?

Because the federal government is broke and an investigation would be a ridiculous waste of money. And when the investigation was done, the Alex Jones gang wouldn't believe there was no conspiracy any more than they do now.

hannitykillspuppies

03-19-2010, 09:43 AM

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Matt

03-19-2010, 11:30 AM

When reading things like this thread I am reminded that anyone can ask a question, it takes smart people to answer them. Any idiot can dream up a conspiracy theory, ask a bunch of questions and plant a seed of doubt. It teaks a smart person to follow through and get the answers. Even when they get answers Conspiracy Nuts, will focus on the seed of doubt rather than the rational conclusion...

MTVike

03-19-2010, 11:39 AM

When reading things like this thread I am reminded that anyone can ask a question, it takes smart people to answer them. Any idiot can dream up a conspiracy theory, ask a bunch of questions and plant a seed of doubt. It teaks a smart person to follow through and get the answers. Even when they get answers Conspiracy Nuts, will focus on the seed of doubt rather than the rational conclusion...

Paranoia is alive and well.

Matt

03-19-2010, 11:48 AM

Paranoia is alive and well.

You're right about that. What extra crazy about 9/11 theories is that there is tape of the whole thing. You can see the planes fly into the buildings. Crazy.

rip

03-21-2010, 02:55 PM

I've considered becoming an Alex Jones type, but can't bring myself to disrespect the families of things like 9/11 enough to go through with my own version of the Loose Change nonsense.

That's all Jones is. Some guy like me that sold out, and is smart enough to make up fantastic theories and is crazy enough to make a fool of himself for money.

The litmus test for "crazy" is probably that show Coast to Coast AM that plays every night on as many stations as Rush probably does. If the host of that show even tells you it is BS, then there is some hope. That show is really enlightening though. Just the sheer amount of listeners it has, and those listeners that buy into all these fantastic theories is astounding. There are literally over 5 million people that listen to that show EVERY night.

Jesse Helms' Ghost

03-22-2010, 02:47 AM

I've considered becoming an Alex Jones type, but can't bring myself to disrespect the families of things like 9/11 enough to go through with my own version of the Loose Change nonsense.

That's all Jones is. Some guy like me that sold out, and is smart enough to make up fantastic theories and is crazy enough to make a fool of himself for money.

The litmus test for "crazy" is probably that show Coast to Coast AM that plays every night on as many stations as Rush probably does. If the host of that show even tells you it is BS, then there is some hope. That show is really enlightening though. Just the sheer amount of listeners it has, and those listeners that buy into all these fantastic theories is astounding. There are literally over 5 million people that listen to that show EVERY night. ...and I never heard of it. Seriously.

domenick2x

03-22-2010, 06:28 AM

...and I never heard of it. Seriously.
I've caught it on a some late-night drives.

It's utterly astounding.

rip

03-23-2010, 01:06 AM

I've caught it on a some late-night drives.

It's utterly astounding.

Yeah...it is. I even got on their internal message board before because they had a couple Alternative fuel episodes I wanted to listen to a few years back. So I signed up for their subscription for like a week to listen to them online.

Anyways, if you ever wondered where all the paranoid and depressed, and schizo people hang out this is it.

thejerseydevil

03-24-2010, 09:34 PM

ROFL. The "scope" of 9/11... beautiful. Everyday in the USA a tragedy greater than the "scope" of 9/11 happens in the abortion clinics around the country... EVERYDAY in America over 3000 children are slaughtered in the womb in the name of irresponsibility, greed, and whoredom. Since 9/11 over 5 million American defenseless children have been butchered by, and within, their mothers.

Take away your subjective slant for a minute and answer this question:
Why do you care? It's not on your conscience. Does it make you feel better about yourself to get worked up in their defense? You're citing examples of how millions of people die terrible deaths all the time. Do you feel as passionately about feeding the poor as you do abortion?

I'm all about solutions. The way I look at it, if we put the "murderers" in prison and put 5 million unwanted babies in orphanages, what would THAT do the national debt? Especially when those disadvantaged kids have kids?

I never understand how being "pro-life" is being "conservative". Overturning Roe v Wade would cost a fortune for tax payers.

The world has basically decided abortion is ok. I wouldn't necessarily make that choice but it only benefits me when others make that decision. Trying to overturn laws (abortion/healthcare now) simply isn't productive, imo. Just disagree and move on.

Roy Munson

03-24-2010, 09:37 PM

Take away your subjective slant for a minute and answer this question:
Why do you care? It's not on your conscience. Does it make you feel better about yourself to get worked up in their defense? You're citing examples of how millions of people die terrible deaths all the time. Do you feel as passionately about feeding the poor as you do abortion?

I'm all about solutions. The way I look at it, if we put the "murderers" in prison and put 5 million unwanted babies in orphanages, what would THAT do the national debt? Especially when those disadvantaged kids have kids?

I never understand how being "pro-life" is being "conservative". Overturning Roe v Wade would cost a fortune for tax payers.

The world has basically decided abortion is ok. I wouldn't necessarily make that choice but it only benefits me when others make that decision. Trying to overturn laws (abortion/healthcare now) simply isn't productive, imo. Just disagree and move on.
people would just leave the country to get it done.

KinjaKahn

03-24-2010, 09:45 PM

Trying to overturn laws (abortion/healthcare now) simply isn't productive, imo.
Do you apply that same rational to the fight to outlaw slavery and the legalization of homosexuality? Or does that rational only apply to YOUR current positions / opinions?

KinjaKahn

03-24-2010, 09:47 PM

people would just leave the country to get it done.When they come back they should not pass Go and get a 30 yr sentence to a rug munching utopia.

FatDumbOxycontinAbuser

03-24-2010, 09:57 PM

people would just leave the country to get it done.

Or worse yet find unlicensed, dangerous alternatives within the country to do it.

FatDumbOxycontinAbuser

03-24-2010, 09:59 PM

Do you apply that same rational to the fight to outlaw slavery and the legalization of homosexuality? Or does that rational only apply to YOUR current positions / opinions?

"legalization" of homosexuality? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Last I checked you couldn't be arrested for being gay.

Is it lonely on that planet you are on?

KinjaKahn

03-24-2010, 10:07 PM

"legalization" of homosexuality? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Last I checked you couldn't be arrested for being gay.

Is it lonely on that planet you are on?

It used to be illegal.

KinjaKahn

03-24-2010, 10:08 PM

Or worse yet find unlicensed, dangerous alternatives within the country to do it.Women can die of an abortion legal or not.

FatDumbOxycontinAbuser

03-24-2010, 10:09 PM

It used to be illegal.

I re-read your post. Got it. Misunderstood initially.

KinjaKahn

03-24-2010, 10:09 PM

I re-read your post. Got it. Misunderstood initially.
Im not surprised.

FatDumbOxycontinAbuser

03-24-2010, 10:10 PM

Im not surprised.

I'll fess up and admit when I'm wrong. Some of us don't have a problem with that kind of thing.

KinjaKahn

03-24-2010, 10:14 PM

I'll fess up and admit when I'm wrong. Some of us don't have a problem with that kind of thing.Then you are a rarity among your comrades.

FatDumbOxycontinAbuser

03-24-2010, 10:49 PM

Then you are a rarity among your comrades.

I would like to think of my "comrades" as all Americans, buy some of us make that a difficult, if not impossible, proposition.

domenick2x

03-25-2010, 06:39 AM

Women can die of an abortion legal or not.
Women can die in any medical procedure. Death by C-section numbers are pretty astounding.

I'd hazard a guess that they'd go up if you outlawed the procedure and women still wanted them done.

domenick2x

10-02-2010, 08:06 AM

Kinja is in good company here.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101002/ap_on_re_eu/eu_attacks_the_theories

Those who say the attacks might have been an "inside job" usually share antipathy toward the U.S. government, and often a maverick sensibility. Besides Ahmadinejad, high-profile doubters include Cuba's Fidel Castro and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

KinjaKahn

10-02-2010, 10:56 AM

Kinja is in good company here.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101002/ap_on_re_eu/eu_attacks_the_theories

Translation: Gubmint sex it, I beleeves it, that settlez it! They knows what i needs to eat... they know what i posed to b thinkin, and they can raize mah kidz better den me.,.