So where's the 911 conspiracy thread?

[KinjaKahn]

Perhaps no one here is entertained by them? I think they are very entertaining regardless of which side you are on.

FEMA, I think its fantastic that the Feds were already in town, having got there, johnny on the spot, 9/10/2001.

Flight 93 is interesting. Channel 9 in Cleveland reported it landed in cleveland due to a bomb threat. Some of the video from that day is interesting.

First some fly over and commentary. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc

Reports of landing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOeYozeTAu8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sueAQB3fjqo&mode=related&search=

witness... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPGL9XimWCs&mode=related&search=



Building 7 another interesting angle... Building 7 had the Emergency response command post for NYC. However Rudy Guiliani chose not to set up shop there, instead he went down the street to another location. There is audio of Rudy claiming he didnt go becasue the office was blown up. Yet instead of being blown up the 911 commission report claims on page 293

OEM Initial Response
By 8:48, officials in OEM headquarters on the 23rd floor of 7 WTC—just to
the north of the North Tower—began to activate the Emergency Operations
Center by calling such agencies as the FDNY,NYPD, Department of Health,
and the Greater Hospital Association and instructing them to send their designated representatives to the OEM. In addition, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) was called and asked to send at least five federal
Urban Search and Rescue Teams (such teams are located throughout the
United States). At approximately 8:50, a senior representative from the OEM
arrived in the lobby of the North Tower and began to act as the OEM field
responder to the incident. He soon was joined by several other OEM officials,
including the OEM Director.78
Rudy is on tape saying he didnt go to the OEM because it was destroyed. I am trying to find that clip... but it does bring to mind the Idea of what started the fire in building 7, was it burning debris from the Plane impact in the morning, which would support Rudy, or was it burning debris from a collapsing tower which would make Rudy a liar. The official story that Building 7 just burned down is tough to accept. when looking at this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPZmPfsffz0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD06SAf0p9A

http://guardian.150m.com/wtc/wtc7-fires-close.jpg

http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7firesnorthface.jpg (too many pics for post.)

http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7fireseastface.jpg (too many pics for post.)

With this type of damage this building should have just tipped over. Not collapse symmetrically into its own footprint. If there were control over this collapse, then it would have to be planned prior to Sept. 11.
http://www.debunking911.com/wtc7swd.jpg

Also Rudy was warned of collapse in advance of the event and it looks like he didn't warn the firemen inside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuJimaumW4&mode=related&search=

Demolition expert in Italy has problems with building 7. This has BBC reporting Live the Building 7 collapse before it happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58h0LjdMry0

BBC report Building 7 (aka Salomon Brothers Building) collapses prior to its collapse...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NefExHDu3s

Sen. John Kerry (D Mass.), same one who ran for President, said that the danger posed by a weakening wall in building 7 moved the people in charge to bring the building down safely under control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLnaogsm60A&mode=related&search=




The Pentagon... little hole giant plane... interesting. Wild aerial maneuver to slam plane into the building. Military was left standing around with their thumbs in their asses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS2rlAoKiy4

I find it interesting that the pentagon cleanup did not find the giant titanium and steel engines out. Some say the engines were vaporized, you know titanium melting then boiling off into a gaseous form. A tad far fetched, given the fuel supply and conditions.


The Twin Towers... well what can ya say 2 planes hit two buildings. Were the planes sufficient to collapse them in like an hour? How hot did it really get?
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/woman_wtc.jpg

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/docs/woman_in_blackhole.jpg

This poor woman doesn't seem to be bothered by the 2000 degree heat required to melt the buildings structure. Fire burning the building would not burn symmetrically and cause a symmetrical collapse. The building had to "melt" in odd patterns. The collapse should have been more like the top of the buildings falling off the side of the tower as that is the path of least resistance. There is video supporting the idea that the building began a collapse on one side and the moving mass fell towards the edge of the building, off center, and removing weight from one side. Watch this video closely. The top of the building should have fallen off leaving the bottom 70+ floors standing. The top half moved off center as gravity sought the path of least resistance. The only was to stop that building from going off the side is to remove the resistance or counter the movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOsQpJ1DzsQ&mode=related&search=

The 911 Commission Report.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7JutRGsqf8&mode=related&search=

You can read the 911 Commission report here:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf


I don't know what happened that day. All this crap just makes more questions than the 911 Report can answer. Watch all the videos look at the pics... read the 911 report...

[Vegas]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

[hannitykillspuppies]

too many people would have had to be involved for that to be orchestrated by the government. so many people, that it would be impossible that someone would not have spilled the beans already.

[KinjaKahn]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

What are you a robot, post PM article if confronted with 911. What I put here PM doesn't address other than Pentagon big plane small hole.. and PM asserts there is a wing sheared off and laying on the ground, yet the offer nothing to back that up.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/pentagonairview.jpg

Wheres the mark from the wing that hit the ground? Wheres the wing that was sheared off?

[Vegas]

What are you a robot, post PM article if confronted with 911. What I put here PM doesn't address other than Pentagon big plane small hole.. and PM asserts there is a wing sheared off and laying on the ground, yet the offer nothing to back that up.


http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/pentagonairview.jpg

Wheres the mark from the wing that hit the ground? Wheres the wing that was sheared off?

Did you read all of the pages? They addressed a lot more than just the Pentagon thing.

After the article came out, they did a book that blew away the conspiracy theories even more. I read the book and it was very well done.

[Vegas]

Link to the book:

http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Myths-Conspiracy-Theories/dp/158816635X/ref=sr_1_1/105-1615867-8259605?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183674051&sr=1-1

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FRNBJMW9L._AA240_.jpg

[KinjaKahn]

Did you read all of the pages? They addressed a lot more than just the Pentagon thing.

After the article came out, they did a book that blew away the conspiracy theories even more. I read the book and it was very well done.

Wheres the sheared off wing and the mark where one wing hit the ground? Simple questions. This photo is from before the collapse of the pentagon roof. Not much time to remove the wing and repair the lawn.
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/pentagonairview.jpg

I specifically posted things not in the Popular Mechanics "debunking". All I am saying is watch the videos posted. You obviously haven't. I am curious to know what would possess you to "read the book" in the first place. To simply be a robot and post that link, leads me to believe you payed no attention to this post as it was laid out. How many witnesses took part in PM's investigation? I would guess NONE, thus leaving the investigation to only determine the plausibility of the "official position".

Official position claims this building burned down.
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc7.gif

[Vegas]

Wheres the sheared off wing and the mark where one wing hit the ground? Simple questions. This photo is from before the collapse of the pentagon roof. Not much time to remove the wing and repair the lawn.
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/pentagonairview.jpg

I specifically posted things not in the Popular Mechanics "debunking". All I am saying is watch the videos posted. You obviously haven't. I am curious to know what would possess you to "read the book" in the first place. To simply be a robot and post that link, leads me to believe you payed no attention to this post as it was laid out. How many witnesses took part in PM's investigation? I would guess NONE, thus leaving the investigation to only determine the plausibility of the "official position".

Official position claims this building burned down.
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc7.gif

I'm still at work and I can't exactly watch the videos here. I'll watch later.

I read the book because I work with a couple of complete nut cases who listen to Alex Jones and believe the conspiracy nonsense.

[KinjaKahn]

too many people would have had to be involved for that to be orchestrated by the government. so many people, that it would be impossible that someone would not have spilled the beans already.
How many people kept the F117 secret? How many kept Iran/Contra secret? How many kept the US/British involvement in the assassination of Iranian President Mohammad Mosaddeq a secret?

[hannitykillspuppies]

How many people kept the F117 secret? How many kept Iran/Contra secret? How many kept the US/British involvement in the assassination of Iranian President Mohammad Mosaddeq a secret?you bring up things that combined don't even begin to scratch the surface of the scope of what happened on 9/11.

[LSU]

you bring up things that combined don't even begin to scratch the surface of the scope of what happened on 9/11.



Not to mention that since the topics are being discussed here, the secrets weren't kept all that well.

[Jiddy78]

The Building 7 thing interests me....But IIRC, didn't the two towers fall straight down as well?

Forgive me if I'm not an architectural guru.

[KinjaKahn]

you bring up things that combined don't even begin to scratch the surface of the scope of what happened on 9/11.

ROFL. The "scope" of 9/11... beautiful. Everyday in the USA a tragedy greater than the "scope" of 9/11 happens in the abortion clinics around the country... EVERYDAY in America over 3000 children are slaughtered in the womb in the name of irresponsibility, greed, and whoredom. Since 9/11 over 5 million American defenseless children have been butchered by, and within, their mothers.

Every year four 9/11's occur on our roads due to drunk driving. Where's the threat level meter for that? You are more likely to be killed by a drunk than a Muslim fundamentalist.

Meanwhile the feds, after 9/11, opened the checkbook real wide for the victims and told them to take the loot and shut up. Did they open the checkbook after Tim McVeigh's fireworks?

[KinjaKahn]

Not to mention that since the topics are being discussed here, the secrets weren't kept all that well.

Had I given examples of things still kept secret, they would be dismissed as untrue, nonsense, or conspiracy theory.

[Jiddy78]

ROFL. The "scope" of 9/11... beautiful. Everyday in the USA a tragedy greater than the "scope" of 9/11 happens in the abortion clinics around the country... EVERYDAY in America over 3000 children are slaughtered in the womb in the name of irresponsibility, greed, and whoredom. Since 9/11 over 5 million American defenseless children have been butchered by, and within, their mothers.

Every year four 9/11's occur on our roads due to drunk driving. Where's the threat level meter for that? You are more likely to be killed by a drunk than a Muslim fundamentalist.

Meanwhile the feds, after 9/11, opened the checkbook real wide for the victims and told them to take the loot and shut up. Did they open the checkbook after Tim McVeigh's fireworks?

Well...What do you think happened in 9-11? Do you believe most of what you posted? How much was a setup? How much was not?

I'm really not interested in comparing these type of events to abortion or drunk driving....I don't feel that they are anything similar, so it would seem futile to bother.

[Jiddy78]

Had I given examples of things still kept secret, they would be dismissed as untrue, nonsense, or conspiracy theory.

That happens sometimes ya know....Why cry about it? Does it compromise your own beliefs? I highly doubt it....as zealous as they are portrayed through your posting.

[LSU]

Had I given examples of things still kept secret, they would be dismissed as untrue, nonsense, or conspiracy theory.



In my opinion, the non-secret you gave already is an example of what is untrue, nonsense, or conspiracy theory.


Step back and watch do the robot now.


And fetuses aren't people.

[hannitykillspuppies]

ROFL. The "scope" of 9/11... beautiful. Everyday in the USA a tragedy greater than the "scope" of 9/11 happens in the abortion clinics around the country... EVERYDAY in America over 3000 children are slaughtered in the womb in the name of irresponsibility, greed, and whoredom. Since 9/11 over 5 million American defenseless children have been butchered by, and within, their mothers.

Every year four 9/11's occur on our roads due to drunk driving. Where's the threat level meter for that? You are more likely to be killed by a drunk than a Muslim fundamentalist.

Meanwhile the feds, after 9/11, opened the checkbook real wide for the victims and told them to take the loot and shut up. Did they open the checkbook after Tim McVeigh's fireworks?you're an absolute moron.

none of the things you just compared to 9/11 are even remotely close to an attack on this country. none of the things you compared to 9/11 shut down the financial capital of the world. none of the things you compared to 9/11 crippled an entire industry. none of the things you compared to 9/11 have lead us to war overseas.

[Jiddy78]

In my opinion, the non-secret you gave already is an example of what is untrue, nonsense, or conspiracy theory.


Step back and watch do the robot now.


And fetuses aren't people.


I adhere to a strict "Will the bank give them a loan" measure to determine the beginning of life.

Fetuses have fantastic credit IMO.

[LSU]

I adhere to a strict "Will the bank give them a loan" measure to determine the beginning of life.

Fetuses have fantastic credit IMO.



Depends on what kind of loan.


Anything where they're trying to gouge you in the APR, the bank may not actually consider you a human.

[Jiddy78]

you're an absolute moron.

none of the things you just compared to 9/11 are even remotely close to an attack on this country. none of the things you compared to 9/11 shut down the financial capital of the world. none of the things you compared to 9/11 crippled an entire industry. none of the things you compared to 9/11 have lead us to war overseas.

Morons? Robots?

What's with you people?

This is just what the terrorists wanted.

They win.

Now that we've declared a winner, let's all go get some blizzards together at DQ.

[KinjaKahn]

Well...What do you think happened in 9-11?
I think 2 planes hit two towers. I never saw a plane hit the pentagon. It seems odd to me that the pentagon has no security cameras that captured an incoming plane on tape. I never saw a plane smashed on the ground in Pennsylvania. Theres a documentary out called loose change that deals with a ton of things about 9/11, but it goes totally off the deep end making every aspect into a dastardly plot. Its overwhelming and seemingly hysterical about 9/11 and kinda a turn off.
Do you believe most of what you posted?
I would say its not what I believe, it's more what I don't believe. I don't believe the government position. I cant believe that the feds haven't nailed any of the incompetent dolts in NORAD, the FAA, or the Military to a cross. I don't believe Building 7 burned out of control and fell symmetrically.
How much was a setup? How much was not?
All I have is guesses. Maybe the Feds are telling as much of the truth as they can. That still leaves the truth they can't tell, which I want to know. All thats left in the mix, are these assertions and claims.
I'm really not interested in comparing these type of events to abortion or drunk driving....I don't feel that they are anything similar, so it would seem futile to bother.

[Jiddy78]

Depends on what kind of loan.


Anything where they're trying to gouge you in the APR, the bank may not actually consider you a human.


I'll say this much (Don't know if you watched the videos he posted)...but they tickled my "interest" bone when they went on about how building 7 held a ton of fraudulent information regarding all the financial scamming that occurred around that time...

Although, personally, in today's day and age, why destroy damning evidence? You can blatantly lie, cheat and corrupt and laugh about it in public...so what's the need for destroying evidence?

[LSU]

I'll say this much (Don't know if you watched the videos he posted)...but they tickled my "interest" bone when they went on about how building 7 held a ton of fraudulent information regarding all the financial scamming that occurred around that time...

Although, personally, in today's day and age, why destroy damning evidence? You can blatantly lie, cheat and corrupt and laugh about it in public...so what's the need for destroying evidence?


Oh, I'm sure there are very compelling arguments for a number of different scenarios.

And maybe some of those arguments are true.

[KinjaKahn]

And fetuses aren't people.
You should have no problem slaughtering the gay fetus's.

[LSU]

You should have no problem slaughtering the gay fetus's.



Slaughtering?


Buzz word.


As for the other half of that sentence...gay, straight, bi, whatever. Mother's decision. Not mine.

[Jiddy78]

I think 2 planes hit two towers. I never saw a plane hit the pentagon. It seems odd to me that the pentagon has no security cameras that captured an incoming plane on tape. I never saw a plane smashed on the ground in Pennsylvania. Theres a documentary out called loose change that deals with a ton of things about 9/11, but it goes totally off the deep end making every aspect into a dastardly plot. Its overwhelming and seemingly hysterical about 9/11 and kinda a turn off.

I would say its not what I believe, it's more what I don't believe. I don't believe the government position. I cant believe that the feds haven't nailed any of the incompetent dolts in NORAD, the FAA, or the Military to a cross. I don't believe Building 7 burned out of control and fell symmetrically.

All I have is guesses. Maybe the Feds are telling as much of the truth as they can. That still leaves the truth they can't tell, which I want to know. All thats left in the mix, are these assertions and claims.

Well there's a good crux to start at....Seems kinda odd that there is no videotape of the pentagon crash, doesn't it? I mean...NOBODY? Seeing IS believing....

Was the other plane shot down? Man...I seriously doubt that based on the pitiful response time to the other planes....and it is probably safe to assume that most plane crashes occur with the pilot attempting some evasive maneuvers, thus the plane not careening full speed into the ground with intent...so the crash site may just be a tad "different" than most...

[KinjaKahn]

you're an absolute moron.

none of the things you just compared to 9/11 are even remotely close to an attack on this country. none of the things you compared to 9/11 shut down the financial capital of the world. none of the things you compared to 9/11 crippled an entire industry. none of the things you compared to 9/11 have lead us to war overseas.
You all right man? Sound a little hysterical there, perhaps a valium or 10 will help. Get the fuck over it sissy, America survived.

[hannitykillspuppies]

You all right man? Sound a little hysterical there, perhaps a valium or 10 will help. Get the fuck over it sissy, America survived.
you're, right. pearl harbor's happen all the time in america too. it was really no big deal.

[Jiddy78]

You all right man? Sound a little hysterical there, perhaps a valium or 10 will help. Get the fuck over it sissy, America survived.

I was about to post something of this ilk towards your "slaughtering of gay fetuses" comment.

[IBC]

I have always said we did not get the full story behind 911, but there is so much bullshit out there you cannot possibly sift through it. One is the missle into the Pentagon BS. Another is the explosives in the towers. Now, building 7 is intriguing. Another intriguing issue is why GWB stonewalled the investigation for so long. He opposed an investigation into what happened. Why? So that the idiots that think there is any connection between Iraq and 911 could keep thinking that. They did. They planned that forever, and 911 gave them the excuse and fear they needed to do it.

[LSU]

I was about to post something of this ilk towards your "slaughtering of gay fetuses" comment.



One man's humble opinion is another man's maniacal hysteria.

[IBC]

Well there's a good crux to start at....Seems kinda odd that there is no videotape of the pentagon crash, doesn't it? I mean...NOBODY? Seeing IS believing....

Was the other plane shot down? Man...I seriously doubt that based on the pitiful response time to the other planes....and it is probably safe to assume that most plane crashes occur with the pilot attempting some evasive maneuvers, thus the plane not careening full speed into the ground with intent...so the crash site may just be a tad "different" than most...
Oh, they have a video, and if things got heated they would show it and then say, "why ask questions? Look at these nutjobs who are asking questions. They believed a missile hit the Pentagon." That doesn't help us solve what is the real crime, what they did with 9-11 and how they used it to push another thing altogether. I don't think we know who the real hijackers were. Why? Because they were probably ex foreign military. The conspiracy is not in what happened, but in how it was used to manipulate the American public.

[KinjaKahn]

Then theres this video to throw a wrench in machine. 19 minutes long and really disturbing regarding Israel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LecYbWM5Oao

[KinjaKahn]

They planned that forever, and 911 gave them the excuse and fear they needed to do it.
Who's they and what would they be doing without 9/11?

[IBC]

Who's they and what would they be doing without 9/11?
They is pretty much this whole admin. PNAC. Project for a New American Century. Read up.

They would never have gotten their mideast war without 9/11. They got it. They wanted to blame it on Iraq, They did indirectly, and here we are.

[KinjaKahn]

They is pretty much this whole admin. PNAC. Project for a New American Century. Read up.

They would never have gotten their mideast war without 9/11. They got it. They wanted to blame it on Iraq, They did indirectly, and here we are.
I already knew... I just didn't want to be the one to mention them. :) PNAC that is...

[hannitykillspuppies]

I was about to post something of this ilk towards your "slaughtering of gay fetuses" comment.that's the kind of abortion we can all get behind.

[swordfish]

http://www.razorclaw.com/mk-ultra/Humor/goering.jpg

[LSU]

http://www.razorclaw.com/mk-ultra/Humor/goering.jpg




Where have I heard that argument before?

[IBC]

http://www.razorclaw.com/mk-ultra/Humor/goering.jpg

I thought you were a loyal righty?

[Jiddy78]

http://www.razorclaw.com/mk-ultra/Humor/goering.jpg


"Do me a favor and go shoot that towelhead, will ya buddy? I've gotta get my daughter to her Sweet Sixteen party...Got her a new Beemer...Midnight blue...Real fancy...Real nice."

I can see the appeal.