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Vegas
03-23-2010, 07:08 PM
Should a legal business be able to advertise? Cigarette advertising has been illegal for many years. I remember the last day when cigarette television ads were allowed. There was one cigarette commercial after another at every ad break.

We have an interesting case in Nevada. Brothels aren't allowed to advertise in areas where prostitution is not legal. There has been some back & forth court fighting with the ACLU on the side of the brothels who lost the latest round.

On the one hand, why should a legitimate business not be able to advertise. On the other hand, cigarette advertising has been effectively used to get kids hooked on smoking (Joe Camel) and do we want billboards with pictures of hookers advertising their wares?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5haHem29PqAyT398MqJbxVNrACU-AD9ECO26O0

A federal appeals court on Thursday upheld a Nevada law that bars legal brothels that operate in some of the state's rural areas from advertising by newspaper, leaflets and billboards in Las Vegas, Reno and other places where prostitution is illegal.

Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto hailed the ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel in San Francisco, while a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union of Nevada promised to appeal.

The laws had been challenged by the ACLU, a Nye County brothel called the Shady Lady Ranch and two newspapers: the High Desert Advocate and Las Vegas City Life.

Prostitution is illegal in Clark and Washoe counties — which include Las Vegas and Reno — and three other Nevada counties. Ten Nevada counties authorize prostitution by local ordinance.

The 9th Circuit panel reversed a ruling by U.S. District Court Judge James Mahan in Nevada that two 1979 state laws prohibiting brothel advertising in counties where prostitution is illegal were overly broad and unconstitutional.

The laws also prohibit brothel advertising in theaters and on streets and public highways.

The 9th Circuit noted in its ruling that Nevada was unique among states because it has a "nuanced boundary," rather than total criminalization of prostitution.

But the state still seeks to confine the sale of sex acts through licensing and advertising restrictions, the judges said.

"The Nevada laws appropriately limited commercial speech," the 9th Circuit said. "We conclude that the interest in preventing the commodification of sex is substantial."

ACLU attorney Allen Lichtenstein said he didn't immediately know whether he'd seek a hearing before the full 9th Circuit or would ask the U.S. Supreme Court to take the case.

"The key issue is freedom of speech," he said.

It's a violation of the First Amendment for the state to restrict advertising by a legal industry, and it's wrong for a court to make exceptions because the state doesn't want to have it advertised that legalized prostitution exists, Lichtenstein said.

Masto called free speech "perhaps our most cherished right." But Nevada has had restrictions on brothel advertising for 40 years, and the state should have the right to have reasonable limitations, she said.

"The circuit's decision proves there are different ways to deal with the issue without trampling on First Amendment rights," she said.

Bobbi Davis, owner of the Shady Lady Ranch, declined immediate comment.

George Flint, a lobbyist with the Nevada Brothel Owners Association, said he hadn't seen much advertising by the 24 legal brothels around the state, and didn't think the court ruling would have much effect.

"We've encouraged our people to be cautious and not get carried away," Flint said. "The Legislature may not be able to control the advertising issue, but they do control our destiny."

Jesse Helms' Ghost
03-26-2010, 01:53 AM
A federal appeals court on Thursday upheld a Nevada law that bars legal brothels that operate in some of the state's rural areas from advertising by newspaper, leaflets and billboards in Las Vegas, Reno and other places where prostitution is illegal.

The 9th Circuit noted in its ruling that Nevada was unique among states because it has a "nuanced boundary," rather than total criminalization of prostitution. There ya have it.

No, brothels should not be allowed to advertise in the manners mentioned outside of the boundaries it is legal in. Inside of the counties it's legal in makes sense to a point (no ads where minors can view them, for example). But outside of those counties makes no sense. It would be like advertising illegal drugs pretty much everywhere they aren't legal- you'd be promoting an illegal activity in that area. This isn't the same as advertising a vacation spot outside of that vacation spot, just to be clear. The advertising is largely about the activities one could engage in and not the location.

domenick2x
03-26-2010, 06:56 AM
There ya have it.

No, brothels should not be allowed to advertise in the manners mentioned outside of the boundaries it is legal in. Inside of the counties it's legal in makes sense to a point (no ads where minors can view them, for example). But outside of those counties makes no sense. It would be like advertising illegal drugs pretty much everywhere they aren't legal- you'd be promoting an illegal activity in that area. This isn't the same as advertising a vacation spot outside of that vacation spot, just to be clear. The advertising is largely about the activities one could engage in and not the location.
I agree with that.

But back to smokes, they aren't illegal anywhere that I am aware of. That complicates things.

Roy Munson
03-26-2010, 07:08 AM
I agree with that.

But back to smokes, they aren't illegal anywhere that I am aware of. That complicates things.
lets just make them illegal and get it over with. They're a drain on the healthcare system...

Vegas
03-26-2010, 11:43 AM
I agree with that.

But back to smokes, they aren't illegal anywhere that I am aware of. That complicates things.

So should cigarette companies be allowed to advertise?

pnkpanther
03-26-2010, 11:55 AM
So should cigarette companies be allowed to advertise?

Yes. They're a legal product

Vegas
03-26-2010, 11:57 AM
Yes. They're a legal product

I'm surprised the courts haven't overturned the ban on cigarette advertising. I've seen billboards for places to get "medical" marijuana. It's pretty amazing that they can advertise but cigarette companies can't.

FatDumbOxycontinAbuser
03-26-2010, 11:57 AM
The government does not need to protect me from myself. If I want to smoke I will, if I don't i won't. No need to ban ciggie ads.

Roy Munson
03-26-2010, 12:01 PM
The government does not need to protect me from myself. If I want to smoke I will, if I don't i won't. No need to ban ciggie ads.
smoking affects more than just you... just like drinking and driving.

FatDumbOxycontinAbuser
03-26-2010, 12:07 PM
smoking affects more than just you... just like drinking and driving.

True, but the advertising of cigarettes is another matter and I'm not a smoker.

Vegas
03-26-2010, 12:11 PM
smoking affects more than just you... just like drinking and driving.

There isn't a restriction on liquor advertising.

Matt
03-26-2010, 12:12 PM
There isn't a restriction on liquor advertising.

That's because you can drink a drink or two and be cool. But the moment you light a cigarette you are nasty.

Roy Munson
03-26-2010, 12:15 PM
There isn't a restriction on liquor advertising.
drinking can be done without affecting others.

Vegas
03-26-2010, 12:15 PM
drinking can be done without affecting others.

So can smoking.

Roy Munson
03-26-2010, 12:18 PM
So can smoking.
only while alone.

Vegas
03-26-2010, 12:21 PM
only while alone.

There are courteous smokers in the world.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
03-26-2010, 11:28 PM
There isn't a restriction on liquor advertising.
There are, Vegas.

Sporting events have restrictions and i do remember the women's tennis tour having to change sponsors, iirc, because of the affects of smoking.

Alcohol isn't supposed to be consumed in any ads and hard liquor has loads of restrictions as to where it can and cannot be advertised.

Vegas
03-26-2010, 11:38 PM
There are, Vegas.

Sporting events have restrictions and i do remember the women's tennis tour having to change sponsors, iirc, because of the affects of smoking.

Alcohol isn't supposed to be consumed in any ads and hard liquor has loads of restrictions as to where it can and cannot be advertised.

There are restrictions as far as what they can show, like can't actually drink in the commercials as you mentioned. But they are still allowed to advertise. That was my point.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
03-26-2010, 11:56 PM
I'm surprised the courts haven't overturned the ban on cigarette advertising. I've seen billboards for places to get "medical" marijuana. It's pretty amazing that they can advertise but cigarette companies can't. You probably remember a guy name 'Poorman' from waaay back in the day when you lived here.

He's got this stash of old 'Poorman's Bikini Beach' 1/2 shows that he syndicates on one of the Spanish-language channels (24) here in LA/OC.

Almost all of the ads are for medical MJ dispensaries. He runs a crawl on the bottom of the screen for them. He advertises them in 30 sec commercials.

But at no time will you see a commercial for one of those cigarette stores on any of the other channels (or on his show).

Vegas
03-27-2010, 12:08 AM
You probably remember a guy name 'Poorman' from waaay back in the day when you lived here.

He's got this stash of old 'Poorman's Bikini Beach' 1/2 shows that he syndicates on one of the Spanish-language channels (24) here in LA/OC.

Almost all of the ads are for medical MJ dispensaries. He runs a crawl on the bottom of the screen for them. He advertises them in 30 sec commercials.

But at no time will you see a commercial for one of those cigarette stores on any of the other channels (or on his show).

Of course I remember the Poorman. He had his show on channel 56 right after my avatar man, Wally George.

Jesse Helms' Ghost
03-27-2010, 12:29 AM
Of course I remember the Poorman. He had his show on channel 56 right after my avatar man, Wally George. :)

Jim Trenton (aka 'Poorman') is recycling those old tapes from back then for this 'new' show. I watch every once in awhile and it's hilarious to see what the girls are wearing from back then while they hang out in Newport.

I wish KDOC would replay the old Wally George show. I loved that guy.

Vegas
03-27-2010, 12:32 AM
:)

Jim Trenton (aka 'Poorman') is recycling those old tapes from back then for this 'new' show. I watch every once in awhile and it's hilarious to see what the girls are wearing from back then while they hang out in Newport.

I wish KDOC would replay the old Wally George show. I loved that guy.

There are a lot of great clips of Wally on youtube. I watch from the call-in show every now and then. There are tons of them and most are seriously funny. I always love it when someone does the, "Hi, Wally this is Joe Pine from Forrest Lawn."